Moving Flagg, DAL & SAS

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Re: Moving Flagg, DAL & SAS 

Post#81 » by Chinook » Sun Nov 2, 2025 3:27 pm

tcheco wrote:Spurs fans doing their best to be the most hated fan base in here, 5 games into the season in wembys rookie season people were talking about him being nowhere as good as the hype, Spurs fans were mad, now they are here making ourselves look like gloating trolls. Pop would be disappointed.


"Spurs fans" aren't doing anything. There are individual posters here who have opinions you don't like. If you want to use that to generalize an entire group of people, that's on you. Certainly don't act like you speak for the whole board though.
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Re: Moving Flagg, DAL & SAS 

Post#82 » by Chinook » Sun Nov 2, 2025 3:51 pm

People are missing some nuance here. Yes, Harper is very fortunate to play with Wemby. But Victor has also benefitted from playing with Harper, who's already the best floor general on the team. Folks are bringing up Wemby's early career here, so I assume everyone remembers with he looks like when he doesn't have a PG. He has a ton of individual greatness, but he's still a big and benefits from being set up well. Harper's also part of three of the top-five and five of the top-10 most superlative player pairings the Spurs have had so far. Victor, in comparison, is 2/5, 4/10. This is not simply a matter of Wemby making Harper look good.

I'm not sure that Flagg would be putting up better numbers on a team with a clear first option who also benefits from a PG setting him up. That would mean Flagg would be functionally the third option on the Spurs. He'd obviously be great defensively, but it's possible Victor and the guards would eat up stock numbers and make it hard for Flagg to show out there either. He'd probably fit into the team very well but not stand out in a similar way to Harper but without having a second unit to himself to run like Dylan has.

I don't know if Harper will remain a serious ROY contender once the team is fully healthy, but he's clearly showing his talent. Spurs fans have every right to be pleased and to fall back on their general inertia against trades. I don't think Dallas fans should be disappointed at all though. Yes, they would have been just fine with Harper had they gotten the second pick instead. But the Mavs have Flagg for a career, not a season. Even if he doesn't look superlative now, they have that position squared away. They need a PG. So get one next year.
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Re: Moving Flagg, DAL & SAS 

Post#83 » by schaffy » Sun Nov 2, 2025 6:22 pm

One_and_Done wrote:If anything, guards are supposed to take longer to develop. Harper is lucky to be next to Wemby of course, but he's also coming off the bench, on a slow pace team. If Harper was on a bad team, who just fed him minutes and shots (like Flagg), then he'd be posting much bigger numbers and would be the runaway ROY favourite.


Thats a really interesting point to bring up, seeing as how Dallas has been attempting to play him as a PG - the first time in his life he's done that and its in the NBA. Maybe his development might take a bit longer then?

Also, its not like flagg is going out there and putting up 20 shots a game. He's taking 1.5 more shots a game than Harper, and on a per36 basis Harper takes more.

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Re: Moving Flagg, DAL & SAS 

Post#84 » by One_and_Done » Sun Nov 2, 2025 8:04 pm

schaffy wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:If anything, guards are supposed to take longer to develop. Harper is lucky to be next to Wemby of course, but he's also coming off the bench, on a slow pace team. If Harper was on a bad team, who just fed him minutes and shots (like Flagg), then he'd be posting much bigger numbers and would be the runaway ROY favourite.


Thats a really interesting point to bring up, seeing as how Dallas has been attempting to play him as a PG - the first time in his life he's done that and its in the NBA. Maybe his development might take a bit longer then?

Also, its not like flagg is going out there and putting up 20 shots a game. He's taking 1.5 more shots a game than Harper, and on a per36 basis Harper takes more.

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It's early, but the claim there was a gigantic gap between Harper and Flagg has not aged well thus far.
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Re: Moving Flagg, DAL & SAS 

Post#85 » by tcheco » Mon Nov 3, 2025 12:24 pm

Chinook wrote:
tcheco wrote:Spurs fans doing their best to be the most hated fan base in here, 5 games into the season in wembys rookie season people were talking about him being nowhere as good as the hype, Spurs fans were mad, now they are here making ourselves look like gloating trolls. Pop would be disappointed.


"Spurs fans" aren't doing anything. There are individual posters here who have opinions you don't like. If you want to use that to generalize an entire group of people, that's on you. Certainly don't act like you speak for the whole board though.

Sorry, the 99% of Spurs fans that post regularly are making a fool of themselves, that's way more acurate.
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Re: Moving Flagg, DAL & SAS 

Post#86 » by Wolveswin » Mon Nov 3, 2025 3:17 pm

Young star for young star trades are very rare in NBA. Each team thinks their guy has more upside and more value.

If Mavs were entertaining such, I think Hornets make more sense.

Flagg for Miller+

With the plus being Mavs 2027 back (at least).

Add a Sexton for Gafford swap.

Point being, Mavs get a player (when healthy) a few more years into real NBA win-now development in Miller, but keep youth (not full selling out youth for win-now).

Hornets get a full rookie contract of Flagg and the hype of a legit franchise prospect (finally). Hornets can try and win-some-now (two time lines thing) to keep Flagg developing when winning or go full tank and dump Bridges (for sure) and Ball for picks.

Flagg also gets time to develop as NBA youngest player (I think that is true) in Charlotte, away from the win-playoffs-now-post-Doncic era Neco has exposed him to.
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Re: Moving Flagg, DAL & SAS 

Post#87 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Nov 3, 2025 4:08 pm

I don't think its reflective of Spurs fans at all, but rather a couple of specific posters, one of whom in fact keeps trying to suggest they aren't even a Spurs fan, though every post suggests they are....

Not sure why all the fuss though. The initial debate was about their value as prospects. And was a good but not great prospect enough to close the gap to get the team with the first choice to take their 2nd. Wherever you fall on Flagg, Harper, or Castle taking offense that someone would say I'd rather have the best prospect and not the 2nd just to get Castle is just weird.

And like jay Ive been open since before Dallas got the first pick in the lottery that I don't think Flagg is generational. I'm lower on him than most here. But based on what people who know far more than me were saying about the players I wouldn't have wanted Dallas to swap him for the right to pick Harper and for Castle.

And I think judging either prospect over 5 games is beyond silly. And one is playing for a bad team with a bad offensive coach with no centers and no guards and being asked to play a position he's never played. The other is playing off a guy off to a historic start on a well built roster with competent coaching and getting to play against 2nd units.

I would expect the first guy to look a bit worse than he might be and the 2nd to look a bit better. That's not to take anything away from Harper who has shown some things and I blame nobody for being excited and I hope this injury is minor. Nor is to suggest Flagg doesn't have a long way to go.

But so so silly here.
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Re: Moving Flagg, DAL & SAS 

Post#88 » by 1993Playoffs » Mon Nov 3, 2025 5:11 pm

BK_2020 wrote:I don't know how you look at Flagg's first games and think his floor is Jayson Tatum.



True I don’t see him being anywhere near as good as Tatum. The SA guards seem like a better bet.
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Re: Moving Flagg, DAL & SAS 

Post#89 » by jayjaysee » Mon Nov 3, 2025 5:18 pm

BK_2020 wrote:I don't know how you look at Flagg's first games and think his floor is Jayson Tatum.


Did someone say Flagg’s floor was Tatum?

That would be a really strong take about any rookie ever…
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Re: Moving Flagg, DAL & SAS 

Post#90 » by BK_2020 » Mon Nov 3, 2025 6:02 pm

jayjaysee wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:I don't know how you look at Flagg's first games and think his floor is Jayson Tatum.


Did someone say Flagg’s floor was Tatum?

That would be a really strong take about any rookie ever…

The OP but now that I read it again it was made back in May.
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Re: Moving Flagg, DAL & SAS 

Post#91 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Nov 3, 2025 10:48 pm

Ugh Harper injury.

Another reason these victory laps probably should hold off.

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Re: Moving Flagg, DAL & SAS 

Post#92 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Tue Nov 4, 2025 2:54 am

Texas Chuck wrote:Ugh Harper injury.

Another reason these victory laps probably should hold off.

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Based on a 5 game sample size we can assume Harper is injury prone. /green
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Re: Moving Flagg, DAL & SAS 

Post#93 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Tue Nov 4, 2025 2:56 am

Think Cooper looked above average at everything but scoring. This PG experiment isn’t doing him any favors. Could look a lot better playing with a pass first guard instead of Flagg trying to create for himself from the half court line.

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