Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap and the 1st page

[Bob8]

Morant/ORL 30 1st for AD
Salary releif to open up other trades, and extra 1st.
Morant/DLo
Christie/Martin
Klay/Naji
Flagg/PJ
Lively/Gaff

Nico is definitely not moving AD. Even if he sees his mistake, very doubtful, he just can't. He will wait at least next season to see what he has.

I'm afraid you are correct. Kyrie + picks for Ja?

He's not moving Kyrie either.

[Super Cooper]

Nico is definitely not moving AD. Even if he sees his mistake, very doubtful, he just can't. He will wait at least next season to see what he has.

I'm afraid you are correct. Kyrie + picks for Ja?

He's not moving Kyrie either.

For Ja? I think he would. He's not nearly as invested and it'd take some of the stink off the AD for Luka trade. Kyrie is a difficult fit at PG unless you have a big 3&D guard like Grimes.

IMO the big question is whether or not MEM would do it...

[Archx]

Zach Lowe: "I don't want to hear Nico Harrison talking about how now Mavs fans are finally starting to see his “vision”. There's no vision that includes 'You know what we're gonna do... We're gonna lose in the play-in and win the lottery with 1.8% chance, and then the fans will see my vision.' "

Also, imagine Mavs not winning the lottery with those odds and never draft Flagg. Right now without AD, DLo would probably the main star

[41Dirk41]

Zach Lowe: "I don't want to hear Nico Harrison talking about how now Mavs fans are finally starting to see his “vision”. There's no vision that includes 'You know what we're gonna do... We're gonna lose in the play-in and win the lottery with 1.8% chance, and then the fans will see my vision.' "

Also, imagine Mavs not winning the lottery with those odds and never draft Flagg. Right now without AD, DLo would probably the main star

Probably fans in Dallas area ( like Mr B) would be thrilled to see Christie and Lively season

[Super Cooper]

Cooper comparisons... IMO Amen Thompson is the best comparison. Amen with more size, less vertical explosion, and a legit jumper.

Draft measurements:
Cooper -- 6'-7.75", 221lbs, 7'-0"wingspan, 35.5"vleap
Amen -- 6'-5.75", 214lbs, 7'-0"wingspan, 44.0"vleap

Clearly Cooper is much more polished, so let's compare Amen's first 5 games of his 2nd season to Cooper's first 6 games this season...
Amen -- 20.5mins, 8pts, 4.2rbs, 1.2asts, 0.4stls, 0.4blks, 46.4fg%, 33.3%3pt
Cooper -- 32.5mins, 13.8pts, 6.5rbs, 3asts, 0.8stls, 0.5blks, 37.3fg%, 28.6%3pt

I have no doubt that Cooper will be an elite shooter. His shot is going to drop. Admittedly, Amen was the 3rd choice on distribution given FVV and Sengun. So let's compare their production this year. Again, Amen has 2 years in the NBA on Cooper, but is now playing a similar role...
Amen -- 33.2mins, 15pts, 6rbs, 5.8asts, 0.8stls, 0.2blks, 46.7fg%, 9.1%3pt
Cooper -- 32.5mins, 13.8pts, 6.5rbs, 3asts, 0.8stls, 0.5blks, 37.3fg%, 28.6%3pt
Seeing this, I'm even more on board with Kidd's role for Cooper.

[Mavrelous]

Cooper closest comp is Tatum IMO, he has much better touch and shot than Amen, but is a lesser athlete.

[Super Cooper]

Cooper closest comp is Tatum IMO, he has much better touch and shot than Amen, but is a lesser athlete.

I agree. I used Amen because the way Kidd is currently developing Cooper. The athleticism isn't close, nor Cooper's touch and shot as you pointed out, but the role and dimensions are.

Point being we need to be patient. In the end this development will super-charge Cooper's future.

[Bob8]

Cooper closest comp is Tatum IMO, he has much better touch and shot than Amen, but is a lesser athlete.

I agree. I used Amen because the way Kidd is currently developing Cooper. The athleticism isn't close, nor Cooper's touch and shot as you pointed out, but the role and dimensions are.

Point being we need to be patient. In the end this development will super-charge Cooper's future.

I have a honest question, why you believe that playing in dysfunctional team is good for Flagg's development?

[41Dirk41]

Cooper closest comp is Tatum IMO, he has much better touch and shot than Amen, but is a lesser athlete.

I don't see too much Tatum in him... Jayson was (is) a smooth shooter with a deadly jumper.

Coop shoot is not so natural, he is more an all around player. Better defender. Better athlete. Better passer.

Obviously he can improve his shooting form and % but Jayson is almost elite in that skill.

[Super Cooper]

Cooper closest comp is Tatum IMO, he has much better touch and shot than Amen, but is a lesser athlete.

I agree. I used Amen because the way Kidd is currently developing Cooper. The athleticism isn't close, nor Cooper's touch and shot as you pointed out, but the role and dimensions are.

Point being we need to be patient. In the end this development will super-charge Cooper's future.

I have a honest question, why you believe that playing in dysfunctional team is good for Flagg's development?

You are the king of the "straw man" logical fallacy. Please quote me saying playing for the Mavs is good for Flagg's development...

I've stated over and over that on this team, I agree with Kidd's Cooper role, to which you admit isn't PG.

[Mavrelous]

Cooper closest comp is Tatum IMO, he has much better touch and shot than Amen, but is a lesser athlete.

I don't see too much Tatum in him... Jayson was (is) a smooth shooter with a deadly jumper.

Coop shoot is not so natural, he is more an all around player. Better defender. Better athlete. Better passer.

Obviously he can improve his shooting form and % but Jayson is almost elite in that skill.

Really? I feel.Coop.is smoother, Tatum is mechanical, Coop is also younger than what Tatum was in his 1st year.
Tatum was drafted into a good situation, the opposite of Flagg .

[Bob8]

I agree. I used Amen because the way Kidd is currently developing Cooper. The athleticism isn't close, nor Cooper's touch and shot as you pointed out, but the role and dimensions are.

Point being we need to be patient. In the end this development will super-charge Cooper's future.

I have a honest question, why you believe that playing in dysfunctional team is good for Flagg's development?

You are the king of the "straw man" logical fallacy. Please quote me saying playing for the Mavs is good for Flagg's development...

I've stated over and over that on this team, I agree with Kidd's Cooper role, to which you admit isn't PG.

You agree with Kidd's Cooper role, where he plays with 3 bigs and 1 wing in the starting lineup? This lineup is totally dysfunctional and plays awful basketball, but you're ok with it. Interesting.

[41Dirk41]

Cooper closest comp is Tatum IMO, he has much better touch and shot than Amen, but is a lesser athlete.

I don't see too much Tatum in him... Jayson was (is) a smooth shooter with a deadly jumper.

Coop shoot is not so natural, he is more an all around player. Better defender. Better athlete. Better passer.

Obviously he can improve his shooting form and % but Jayson is almost elite in that skill.

Really? I feel.Coop.is smoother, Tatum is mechanical, Coop is also younger than what Tatum was in his 1st year.
Tatum was drafted into a good situation, the opposite of Flagg .

We will see Mav

[Super Cooper]

I have a honest question, why you believe that playing in dysfunctional team is good for Flagg's development?

You are the king of the "straw man" logical fallacy. Please quote me saying playing for the Mavs is good for Flagg's development...

I've stated over and over that on this team, I agree with Kidd's Cooper role, to which you admit isn't PG.

You agree with Kidd's Cooper role, where he plays with 3 bigs and 1 wing in the starting lineup? This lineup is totally dysfunctional and plays awful basketball, but you're ok with it. Interesting.

Again, "straw man". You and bob should be walking the yellow brick road with Dorothy, Toto, the tin man, and the lion.

How did you turn my liking Cooper's role with an endorsement of the starting lineup?

I have stated time and time again Klay needs to be benched, whom I consider is a catch and shoot (ONLY) guard, but I don't care what you call him, guard or wing. So, the starting lineup is 2 guards, 2 forwards, and a center. Again, Cooper is not playing PG.

I'm also comfortable with AD playing C, but disappointment in DLive is more to do with that than AD's achievement at C.

I applaud the decision to move Max to the starting lineup.

The interesting subject that hasn't been discussed is the long term viability of a PJ/Cooper frontcourt. Kidd is clearly grooming PJ for SF, looking at how he's being used and the shots he is taking.

[Bob8]

You are the king of the "straw man" logical fallacy. Please quote me saying playing for the Mavs is good for Flagg's development...

I've stated over and over that on this team, I agree with Kidd's Cooper role, to which you admit isn't PG.

You agree with Kidd's Cooper role, where he plays with 3 bigs and 1 wing in the starting lineup? This lineup is totally dysfunctional and plays awful basketball, but you're ok with it. Interesting.

Again, "straw man". You and bob should be walking the yellow brick road with Dorothy, Toto, the tin man, and the lion.

How did you turn my liking Cooper's role with an endorsement of the starting lineup?

Because Cooper role as Kidd see it is one of the biggest Mavs' problems. More or less all lineups with Flagg are disastrous. Flagg himself has disastrous +/-, on/off and all advanced stats. If we agree that Flagg is not that bad, then something must be wrong with Kidd's vision.

[41Dirk41]

According to Timmah at ESPN Flagg and Klay are the two players with the worst plus/minus in the league (IN THE LEAGUE).

[Mr B]

According to Timmah at ESPN Flagg and Klay are the two players with the worst plus/minus in the league (IN THE LEAGUE).

One is an 18 year old rookie less than 10 games into his career and the other shouldn’t even be on the team.

[Super Cooper]

According to Timmah at ESPN Flagg and Klay are the two players with the worst plus/minus in the league (IN THE LEAGUE).

One is an 18 year old rookie less than 10 games into his career and the other shouldn’t even be on the team.

You stole my reply lol.

[Super Cooper]

According to Timmah at ESPN Flagg and Klay are the two players with the worst plus/minus in the league (IN THE LEAGUE).

I created a thread for y'all....

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2480346

[Super Cooper]

You agree with Kidd's Cooper role, where he plays with 3 bigs and 1 wing in the starting lineup? This lineup is totally dysfunctional and plays awful basketball, but you're ok with it. Interesting.

Again, "straw man". You and bob should be walking the yellow brick road with Dorothy, Toto, the tin man, and the lion.

How did you turn my liking Cooper's role with an endorsement of the starting lineup?

Because Cooper role as Kidd see it is one of the biggest Mavs' problems. More or less all lineups with Flagg are disastrous. Flagg himself has disastrous +/-, on/off and all advanced stats. If we agree that Flagg is not that bad, then something must be wrong with Kidd's vision.

I created a thread for y'all...

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2480346