Is Wembanyamas impact now similar to Wilt?

[STAT_88]

Mark Williams standing reach is 9-9. Wembys is 9-7. And Williams is more physical. Wemby has a remarkable skill set but he is not used to going up against players that are longer than he is.

Suns might wins some games this year. They are beginning to get their chemistry together. As a Suns fan, I am enjoying this team.

I’ve seen this mentioned in a few places are we really sure Wemby standing reach is only 9’7? I’m sure that dude can touch the rim barefoot.

Williams standing reach of 9’9 is absolutely huge regardless.


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[Lalouie]

there's a "wedontknowwhattodowithhim-ness" like wilt and alcindor@ucla

[jcsunsfan]

Mark Williams standing reach is 9-9. Wembys is 9-7. And Williams is more physical. Wemby has a remarkable skill set but he is not used to going up against players that are longer than he is.

Suns might wins some games this year. They are beginning to get their chemistry together. As a Suns fan, I am enjoying this team.

I’ve seen this mentioned in a few places are we really sure Wemby standing reach is only 9’7? I’m sure that dude can touch the rim barefoot.

Williams standing reach of 9’9 is absolutely huge regardless.


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Its the stats on the books. Maybe he has grown, but this is all we have to go on. Wemby does have a bit of a T-Rex thing going. But those long legs mean he can cover a lot of ground in a few steps.

[dhsilv2]

It's like trying to discuss Pele and Maradona in soccer.
Pele was in the '60s, Maradona in the '80s.
Much more videos and games of Maradona can be found on the internet.
Plus if you're close to 45(I'm 44) , you certainly have watched games as a kid and you do remember.
No way you'll find many that were watching Pele on television though.

I don't know who those guys are. But yeah, I'm in the ball park of your age and I remember say jordan playing live. I don't base anything I think about him on that viewing. Or at least I try not to. We have posters who saw Wilt live on here. Which is cool and really is nice to get their opinions. But I'm not going to take the knowledge they had of the game at that time and expect their live reactions are the same as it would be if you saw it live with a better understanding, that modern analysis has given us all.

That isn't to say Wilt wasn't a physical monster. But so was Russell and the rules/mindset didn't really let Wilt abuse his supposed freaky strength. So I struggle with as a player how Wilt would be see as more a freak outlier than some others. Now if Wilt was as strong as claimed, and he was allowed to maul people like Shaq. Now we'd have something. But even in limited footage and eye witness accounts...including by Wilt. He wasn't able to abuse his strength and mass. And I don't think it's wrong of either of us to take that as reasonably true without having seen him live.

Μy opinion on all things Wilt did and didn't do, has always been the same.
He's always judged by his winning.
There's always a big "if".
There's noone who can convince me that if he played on that era's Celtics instead of Bill, the Celtics wouldn't come up with the same number of championships.
That was a generational team.
I'm not taking anything away from Bill.
He's who he is in the all time lists, his resume speaks for itself.
But if Wilt was playing in his place, i doubt if people would appoint MJ as the GOAT so easily.
Because the rings culture is the strongest in the end of the day.
I guess the only way to measure Wilt's impact on the game is to point out that he lead the way for physical freaks like Shaq or Giannis or Wemby.
All these guys have been compared to Wilt when we're talking about physical dominance.
I just find it a bit unfair to say that Shaq was only the most dominant player of his era.
No. He was the best. Not only the most dominant.
I hear it a lot about Giannis the past few years. "The most dominant".
We'll be hearing about this with Wemby too.
I just think that this definition, is been made by people who don't want to admit that these guys are the best players period.
So they go with the "most dominant" nonsense and leave it there.
Wemby will be the best player in the world soon.
Not only the most "dominant".

All fair I suppose. Someone will have to talk me into the Wilt stuff though. As a kid I remember reading books about Wilt, yep...those things full of paper. To me he was the GOAT. Then I got older, watched limited film, read what's online...and realized Wilt was great, but that Bill was on another level. That their teammates were similar. Wilt got more awards for his scoring...but Bill was the guy turning good players into stars and Wilt was scoring to fill up possessions but not creation great offense. Both were all time defenders...a function of the era and that both were outliers in terms of athletic ability. But also just it was an era that people didn't shoot and as such big men were overly valuable. Bottom line I think if the swapped teammates Bill still gets 8-9 rings. I think Bill was an elite BBIQ guy who's screens, passes, and just general decision making would stand out in any era. And he combined that with being a near Olympic level track athlete at what we'd call today 6'11.

But to see Wemby in an era we have so much money involved in the sport. We have a global pool. And he's an outlier like I've not seen since Shaq. Man...he's on another level to anyone but maybe Shaq.

BTW while Shaq is literally called the "most dominate ever". Keep in mind it wasn't just that he was dominate. It was that the rules were such that they league allowed him to throw his body at defenders. Wilt couldn't do that. So it's not just he's a genetic freak, it's that the rules and his freak genetics aligned.

[Doctor MJ]

Mark Williams standing reach is 9-9. Wembys is 9-7. And Williams is more physical. Wemby has a remarkable skill set but he is not used to going up against players that are longer than he is.

Suns might wins some games this year. They are beginning to get their chemistry together. As a Suns fan, I am enjoying this team.

I’ve seen this mentioned in a few places are we really sure Wemby standing reach is only 9’7? I’m sure that dude can touch the rim barefoot.

Williams standing reach of 9’9 is absolutely huge regardless.


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Its the stats on the books. Maybe he has grown, but this is all we have to go on. Wemby does have a bit of a T-Rex thing going. But those long legs mean he can cover a lot of ground in a few steps.

1. Well, we know he's grown. He's not 7'3" any more.

2. Wemby T-Rex. Um, generally "T-Rex" in my experience means your wingspan is less than your height. Wemby had an 8 foot wingspan when he was 7'3" which means that for his body he'd need 10 inches less of wingspan to qualify. Some typically said to qualify as truly short-armed with respect to their height: Yao Ming, Kelly Olynyk, Domantas Sabonis, Lauri Markkanen.

[WillyJakkz]

Wilt never embraced his size and strength advantage the way Shaq did.

Wilt always played like he didn't want to hurt anyone and chased stats to say he did everything he could for his team noting the leading the League in assists year because they said he couldn't pass.

He lost games and he played like if he filled the stat sheet the finger couldn't be pointed at him for losing.

Phenomenal athlete and player however I feel Bill Russell had more of a winners mindset than he when it comes to their era.

Shaq played like he wanted to completely dominate and humiliate his opponents I never got that from Wilt who wanted to dominate the stat sheet and I think Wemby is starting to feel and play like he can dominate.

[Mirotic12]

Wilt can score 20 more points than Russell. Neither Bill Russell, nor Hakeem Olajuwon THE ACUTAL BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN NBA HISTORY, nor Wemby will ever achieve a 20ppg difference in defensive abilities vs an above average rim protector in Wilt. NEVER.

Bill Russell is the greatest defensive player ever and an arguable GOAT.

If you really look at Russell's teammates in isolation, they were made by Russell, they didn't make Russell. The Celtics dynasty was actually two totally separate teams. It was the Russell dynasty.

But Wemby has a chance to combine Russell, Wilt, Kareem, and Hakeem into one career.

Hakeem is the best defensive player ever.

[Mirotic12]

The problem is if you were alive for Wilt it isn't like they had access to a lot of live games on tv either. So you saw him in person. But then you'd have a bias from likely being a local fan or ONLY seeing him go against your local team. Just was tough before the league was fully covered. It isn't Babe Ruth tough where there's just virtual no footage. But still.

It's like trying to discuss Pele and Maradona in soccer.
Pele was in the '60s, Maradona in the '80s.
Much more videos and games of Maradona can be found on the internet.
Plus if you're close to 45(I'm 44) , you certainly have watched games as a kid and you do remember.
No way you'll find many that were watching Pele on television though.

I don't know who those guys are. But yeah, I'm in the ball park of your age and I remember say jordan playing live. I don't base anything I think about him on that viewing. Or at least I try not to. We have posters who saw Wilt live on here. Which is cool and really is nice to get their opinions. But I'm not going to take the knowledge they had of the game at that time and expect their live reactions are the same as it would be if you saw it live with a better understanding, that modern analysis has given us all.

That isn't to say Wilt wasn't a physical monster. But so was Russell and the rules/mindset didn't really let Wilt abuse his supposed freaky strength. So I struggle with as a player how Wilt would be see as more a freak outlier than some others. Now if Wilt was as strong as claimed, and he was allowed to maul people like Shaq. Now we'd have something. But even in limited footage and eye witness accounts...including by Wilt. He wasn't able to abuse his strength and mass. And I don't think it's wrong of either of us to take that as reasonably true without having seen him live.

Sarcasm? Forgot to use the green font?

[dhsilv2]

It's like trying to discuss Pele and Maradona in soccer.
Pele was in the '60s, Maradona in the '80s.
Much more videos and games of Maradona can be found on the internet.
Plus if you're close to 45(I'm 44) , you certainly have watched games as a kid and you do remember.
No way you'll find many that were watching Pele on television though.

I don't know who those guys are. But yeah, I'm in the ball park of your age and I remember say jordan playing live. I don't base anything I think about him on that viewing. Or at least I try not to. We have posters who saw Wilt live on here. Which is cool and really is nice to get their opinions. But I'm not going to take the knowledge they had of the game at that time and expect their live reactions are the same as it would be if you saw it live with a better understanding, that modern analysis has given us all.

That isn't to say Wilt wasn't a physical monster. But so was Russell and the rules/mindset didn't really let Wilt abuse his supposed freaky strength. So I struggle with as a player how Wilt would be see as more a freak outlier than some others. Now if Wilt was as strong as claimed, and he was allowed to maul people like Shaq. Now we'd have something. But even in limited footage and eye witness accounts...including by Wilt. He wasn't able to abuse his strength and mass. And I don't think it's wrong of either of us to take that as reasonably true without having seen him live.

Sarcasm? Forgot to use the green font?

Sarcasm for what?

[Mirotic12]

Mark Williams standing reach is 9-9. Wembys is 9-7. And Williams is more physical. Wemby has a remarkable skill set but he is not used to going up against players that are longer than he is.

Suns might wins some games this year. They are beginning to get their chemistry together. As a Suns fan, I am enjoying this team.

In metric, instead of imperial, some numbers come up as Wembyamana's height being 2.30 (7-6 1/2), his wingspan being 2.44 (8-0), and his standing reach being 3.09 (10-0).

[LockoutSeason]

Mark Williams also has a bigger standing reach than Zach Edey who is 7’4” with a 7’10” wingspan.

Mark is 7’2” with a 7’7” wingspan.

[tsherkin]

Hakeem is the best defensive player ever.

Based on what?

[ryan in Maine]

Hakeem is the best defensive player ever.

Based on what?

Nickname, clearly.