Shams: Grizzlies trade Desmond Bane to Magic for KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 1sts, 1 Pick Swap...

[JujitsuFlip]

Desmond Bane is your Dejounte Murray. Got a player that you don't need to solve a problem you aren't willing to fix for a price that nobody else was willing to pay.

Sheesh, the reality of that is brutal.

[kg01]

Desmond Bane is your Dejounte Murray. Got a player that you don't need to solve a problem you aren't willing to fix for a price that nobody else was willing to pay.

Sheesh, the reality of that is brutal.

Ngl, as a Hawks fan, that cut deep deep. All them picks we gave the Spurs for him....

Ah well, whats done is done. But still, I had to go caress that '26 Pelicans first round pick to console myself.

[wemby]

Ngl, as a Hawks fan, that cut deep deep. All them picks we gave the Spurs for him....

Ah well, whats done is done. But still, I had to go caress that '26 Pelicans first round pick to console myself.

Dejounte landed you Dyson Daniels and a couple picks, I'd say you did pretty well in the end.

[liquidswords]

I drafted Bane in my high(er) stakes fantasy league and what a **** mistake. I thought he was going to get a greenlight in ORL but he's been ordinary as ****.

[JujitsuFlip]

I drafted Bane in my high(er) stakes fantasy league and what a **** mistake. I thought he was going to get a greenlight in ORL but he's been ordinary as ****.

Last night was the first time I watched them this season. And in a sense, Bane does have a green light but he put the ball on the floor and drove it like 80% of the time he touched it.

He needs to play more like Korver, Curry, and Merrill. Be that movement shooter to get the offense to open up.

The main issue with that is Banchero will have to sacrifice his ISO touches and frustrated 3 point chucking.

I said it from the start of this trade and I believe it. If this Magic team wanna get to where they think they should be, Banchero will have to sacrifice the most. He needs to set his teammates up, make his free throws, stop jacking 3s, and stop pouting.

Until Banchero does that, it doesn't matter if Bane has a red, yellow, or green light; he and the Magic won't be successful. Trying to turn Bane into a facilitator was never going to work. Trying to start him with another small guard who also can't facilitate is just a terrible combination.

[Godaddycurse]

I drafted Bane in my high(er) stakes fantasy league and what a **** mistake. I thought he was going to get a greenlight in ORL but he's been ordinary as ****.

Last night was the first time I watched them this season. And in a sense, Bane does have a green light but he put the ball on the floor and drove it like 80% of the time he touched it.

He needs to play more like Korver, Curry, and Merrill. Be that movement shooter to get the offense to open up.

The main issue with that is Banchero will have to sacrifice his ISO touches and frustrated 3 point chucking.

I said it from the start of this trade and I believe it. If this Magic team wanna get to where they think they should be, Banchero will have to sacrifice the most. He needs to set his teammates up, make his free throws, stop jacking 3s, and stop pouting.

Until Banchero does that, it doesn't matter if Bane has a red, yellow, or green light; he and the Magic won't be successful. Trying to turn Bane into a facilitator was never going to work. Trying to start him with another small guard who also can't facilitate is just a terrible combination.

Banchero is gunning for that 30% max/all nba spot. he aint sacrificing anything this year

[LarsV8]

This class of players is always tricky, both in trade value and contract value.

I view them as likely "4th best players on championship teams", ala high end role players, but probably not all star caliber.

Mikal Bridges
OG Anunoby
Desmond Bane
Aaron Gordon
DJ Murray

There will always be a temptation to overpay these guys from a contract standpoint or by sending to many picks (Bridges / Bane)

Savy teams will avoid overpaying, but it looks like Orlando got caught up in overpaying for this.

[John Murdoch]

This class of players is always tricky, both in trade value and contract value.

I view them as likely "4th best players on championship teams", ala high end role players, but probably not all star caliber.

Mikal Bridges
OG Anunoby
Desmond Bane
Aaron Gordon
DJ Murray

There will always be a temptation to overpay these guys from a contract standpoint or by sending to many picks (Bridges / Bane)

Savy teams will avoid overpaying, but it looks like Orlando got caught up in overpaying for this.

Before his injury tho Dejauntae was looking like a franchise player

[kg01]

This class of players is always tricky, both in trade value and contract value.

I view them as likely "4th best players on championship teams", ala high end role players, but probably not all star caliber.

Mikal Bridges
OG Anunoby
Desmond Bane
Aaron Gordon
DJ Murray

There will always be a temptation to overpay these guys from a contract standpoint or by sending to many picks (Bridges / Bane)

Savy teams will avoid overpaying, but it looks like Orlando got caught up in overpaying for this.

Before his injury tho Dejauntae was looking like a franchise player

Eh, sorry but I have to disagree. I like him but he wasn't ever looking like a franchise guy.

[ibraheim718]

I drafted Bane in my high(er) stakes fantasy league and what a **** mistake. I thought he was going to get a greenlight in ORL but he's been ordinary as ****.

Last night was the first time I watched them this season. And in a sense, Bane does have a green light but he put the ball on the floor and drove it like 80% of the time he touched it.

He needs to play more like Korver, Curry, and Merrill. Be that movement shooter to get the offense to open up.

The main issue with that is Banchero will have to sacrifice his ISO touches and frustrated 3 point chucking.

I said it from the start of this trade and I believe it. If this Magic team wanna get to where they think they should be, Banchero will have to sacrifice the most. He needs to set his teammates up, make his free throws, stop jacking 3s, and stop pouting.

Until Banchero does that, it doesn't matter if Bane has a red, yellow, or green light; he and the Magic won't be successful. Trying to turn Bane into a facilitator was never going to work. Trying to start him with another small guard who also can't facilitate is just a terrible combination.

Bingo!

[Doctor MJ]

Desmond Bane is your Dejounte Murray. Got a player that you don't need to solve a problem you aren't willing to fix for a price that nobody else was willing to pay.

Wow, so first, this post hits like a freight train. Poetically stated!

But I'd quibble to some degree:

The fundamental problem with Murray, imho, is that he got drastically overrated by the Spurs letting him play helio so that they could inflate his trade value, and then the team that traded for him had a situation where Murray absolutely could not play helio. It was just awful GMing logic at every point along the way.

For Bane, the thing is, I think the theory of him actually made a lot of sense not just for the Magic but most teams in the league. Getting someone known for off-ball shooting while playing next to an on-ball star is just generally a great idea, and so I wouldn't say that this is "awful GMing long at every point along the way".

So what's the problem? Well, it may prove to be mostly about Bane just not being 100% comfortable yet, so time will tell on that, but there is another component that off-ball shooters are only as valuable as the on-ball facilitation is competent. You can't fix bad decision making on-ball by just giving them more options to make decisions on, and so what I would have suggested would have been to re-format the offense with a good floor general at the helm before going all-in on any kind of off-ball shooter.

To put another way: Trading for Bane doesn't really bother me, but trading so much for Bane without first building offensive infrastructure is just painting your franchise in a corner.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Desmond Bane is your Dejounte Murray. Got a player that you don't need to solve a problem you aren't willing to fix for a price that nobody else was willing to pay.

Wow, so first, this post hits like a freight train. Poetically stated!

But I'd quibble to some degree:

The fundamental problem with Murray, imho, is that he got drastically overrated by the Spurs letting him play helio so that they could inflate his trade value, and then the team that traded for him had a situation where Murray absolutely could not play helio. It was just awful GMing logic at every point along the way.

For Bane, the thing is, I think the theory of him actually made a lot of sense not just for the Magic but most teams in the league. Getting someone known for off-ball shooting while playing next to an on-ball star is just generally a great idea, and so I wouldn't say that this is "awful GMing long at every point along the way".

So what's the problem? Well, it may prove to be mostly about Bane just not being 100% comfortable yet, so time will tell on that, but there is another component that off-ball shooters are only as valuable as the on-ball facilitation is competent. You can't fix bad decision making on-ball by just giving them more options to make decisions on, and so what I would have suggested would have been to re-format the offense with a good floor general at the helm before going all-in on any kind of off-ball shooter.

To put another way: Trading for Bane doesn't really bother me, but trading so much for Bane without first building offensive infrastructure is just painting your franchise in a corner.

Think you put it well. They got ahead of themselves on the rebuild and likely heading towards another rebuild because of it.

Seem like they felt like they couldn’t find their idea fit so they rushed to make a move for best player available

[The Master]

Seem like they felt like they couldn’t find their idea fit so they rushed to make a move for best player available

Sometimes I think that the weakness (?) of Eastern Conference definitely gives an illusion that you don't need that much to move the needle in your favor, that's why we've seen so many sub-optimal moves lately by the Magic, Knicks, or Hawks earlier, with overpaying for top50 players at best like Bane, Bridges, or Dejounte, or the whole Raptors situation. Not saying this is the only explanation, there are Western Conference teams that would be willing to do the same, but again, this is the best explanation of what Magic did, like you correctly stated - they rushed for no reason, and now they have no flexibility going forward.

[davidv2001]

Come on Magic fans, when is it too late to say when?

When we get a coach that has a good track record at running an offense. Unless you think Bane just forgot how to play basketball over the summer and it's just coincidence that he joins one of the worst offenses and the offense doesn't look any better even though he is a career 41% 3pt shooter (with a 59.5 career TS% too)

I don't think Bane is that good of a player to begin with.

I think people that think Bane was anywhere near even Lavine level are wrong.

What is happening to Bane is what happened to Dejounte Murray. You put them on a team that has expectations of performance to solve a problem and they can not do it because they were never that good


In fact, I only think about 30 NBA players are legitimately good to great NBA players that you can an stuxk anywhere to solve a roster problem and Babe isn't one of them.

If anyone seriously thought Desmond Bane, who suffered with inconsistent shooting and self creation was going to the Magic and was going to be good for them you didn't watch enough Grizzlies games.

It's like people who thought Dejounte Murray was a good point guard because they box scored watched him get triple doubles late at night and come to find out he won't defend, take contact and stop shooting miserable pull ups.

Desmond Bane is your Dejounte Murray. Got a player that you don't need to solve a problem you aren't willing to fix for a price that nobody else was willing to pay.

The Magic overpaid by one first-round pick for Desmond Bane when you consider one of the four picks they gave Memphis was to get out from KCP’s contract.

Also, Desmond Bane is a good player, and he’s certainly not an inconsistent shooter. Since becoming a full-time starter in the 2021-2022 season, Bane’s lowest field-goal percentage before this year was 46.1% on at least 14-15 shots per game. His lowest three-point percentage during that span has been 38.1% on anywhere from six to nine attempts per game. He also shot 86-90% from the free-throw line. The guy is an elite shooter.

However, he’s not an isolation player that creates his own threes nor should he be a primary facilitator. He’s a really good catch-and-shoot player. Right now, the Magic are not using him properly, but part of the issue is playing Wendell Carter Jr. at center because he will not space the floor. It’s a small sample size, but Franz Wagner is shooting almost 40% from three this year on four attempts per game. Banchero is really struggling at 24%, so far.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Seem like they felt like they couldn’t find their idea fit so they rushed to make a move for best player available

Sometimes I think that the weakness (?) of Eastern Conference definitely gives an illusion that you don't need that much to move the needle in your favor, that's why we've seen so many sub-optimal moves lately by the Magic, Knicks, or Hawks earlier, with overpaying for top50 players at best like Bane, Bridges, or Dejounte, or the whole Raptors situation. Not saying this is the only explanation, there are Western Conference teams that would be willing to do the same, but again, this is the best explanation of what Magic did, like you correctly stated - they rushed for no reason, and now they have no flexibility going forward.

Definitely agree. One overachieving season can be dangerous in a rebuild.

Like pistons patience is paying off. They in good position to wait for an idea fit. Can make marginal moves to improve odds.

[ShootersShoot]

Its still way too early..I like to give it at least 15-20 games before hitting the panic button. This is the first time his whole career he has had to acclimate to a new team. As a warriors fan, klay for example in 15/2016 was averaging 15ppg on 54% TS through the first 7 games. He finished the season 22ppg on almost 60% TS.

[Doctor MJ]

Desmond Bane is your Dejounte Murray. Got a player that you don't need to solve a problem you aren't willing to fix for a price that nobody else was willing to pay.

Wow, so first, this post hits like a freight train. Poetically stated!

But I'd quibble to some degree:

The fundamental problem with Murray, imho, is that he got drastically overrated by the Spurs letting him play helio so that they could inflate his trade value, and then the team that traded for him had a situation where Murray absolutely could not play helio. It was just awful GMing logic at every point along the way.

For Bane, the thing is, I think the theory of him actually made a lot of sense not just for the Magic but most teams in the league. Getting someone known for off-ball shooting while playing next to an on-ball star is just generally a great idea, and so I wouldn't say that this is "awful GMing long at every point along the way".

So what's the problem? Well, it may prove to be mostly about Bane just not being 100% comfortable yet, so time will tell on that, but there is another component that off-ball shooters are only as valuable as the on-ball facilitation is competent. You can't fix bad decision making on-ball by just giving them more options to make decisions on, and so what I would have suggested would have been to re-format the offense with a good floor general at the helm before going all-in on any kind of off-ball shooter.

To put another way: Trading for Bane doesn't really bother me, but trading so much for Bane without first building offensive infrastructure is just painting your franchise in a corner.

Think you put it well. They got ahead of themselves on the rebuild and likely heading towards another rebuild because of it.

Seem like they felt like they couldn’t find their idea fit so they rushed to make a move for best player available

Thank you and you put it well too.

When re-building teams experience a leap forward, as the Magic did in '22-23, there's often intense pressure to say "Okay, we've got our core, now we just need to fill in the gaps and we'll have a contender." This can come purely from ownership, but oftentimes the additional factor is that a GM believes that his own job safety is tied to the high profile moves he's made previously, and so he's thinking less about all possible ways forward, and more about how to make things work as well as possible building around "his guys".

[JujitsuFlip]

Desmond Bane is your Dejounte Murray. Got a player that you don't need to solve a problem you aren't willing to fix for a price that nobody else was willing to pay.

Wow, so first, this post hits like a freight train. Poetically stated!

But I'd quibble to some degree:

The fundamental problem with Murray, imho, is that he got drastically overrated by the Spurs letting him play helio so that they could inflate his trade value, and then the team that traded for him had a situation where Murray absolutely could not play helio. It was just awful GMing logic at every point along the way.

For Bane, the thing is, I think the theory of him actually made a lot of sense not just for the Magic but most teams in the league. Getting someone known for off-ball shooting while playing next to an on-ball star is just generally a great idea, and so I wouldn't say that this is "awful GMing long at every point along the way".

So what's the problem? Well, it may prove to be mostly about Bane just not being 100% comfortable yet, so time will tell on that, but there is another component that off-ball shooters are only as valuable as the on-ball facilitation is competent. You can't fix bad decision making on-ball by just giving them more options to make decisions on, and so what I would have suggested would have been to re-format the offense with a good floor general at the helm before going all-in on any kind of off-ball shooter.

To put another way: Trading for Bane doesn't really bother me, but trading so much for Bane without first building offensive infrastructure is just painting your franchise in a corner.

I think it's worse than that, after watching them last night.

The Magic took an off ball shooter in Bane and now made him their primary ball handler. They're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

Mosley miscast Bane as this floor general or facilitator. They're trying to make this off ball shooter they traded for into an on ball threat, it truly makes no sense.

The guy last night was rarely catching and shooting. He was putting it on the floor, driving into traffic trying to score or facilitate for his teammates. Most of the time it ended in turnovers or bad shots.

I don't understand the logic behind it at all.

[Doctor MJ]

Desmond Bane is your Dejounte Murray. Got a player that you don't need to solve a problem you aren't willing to fix for a price that nobody else was willing to pay.

Wow, so first, this post hits like a freight train. Poetically stated!

But I'd quibble to some degree:

The fundamental problem with Murray, imho, is that he got drastically overrated by the Spurs letting him play helio so that they could inflate his trade value, and then the team that traded for him had a situation where Murray absolutely could not play helio. It was just awful GMing logic at every point along the way.

For Bane, the thing is, I think the theory of him actually made a lot of sense not just for the Magic but most teams in the league. Getting someone known for off-ball shooting while playing next to an on-ball star is just generally a great idea, and so I wouldn't say that this is "awful GMing long at every point along the way".

So what's the problem? Well, it may prove to be mostly about Bane just not being 100% comfortable yet, so time will tell on that, but there is another component that off-ball shooters are only as valuable as the on-ball facilitation is competent. You can't fix bad decision making on-ball by just giving them more options to make decisions on, and so what I would have suggested would have been to re-format the offense with a good floor general at the helm before going all-in on any kind of off-ball shooter.

To put another way: Trading for Bane doesn't really bother me, but trading so much for Bane without first building offensive infrastructure is just painting your franchise in a corner.

I think it's worse than that, after watching them last night.

The Magic took an off ball shooter in Bane and now made him their primary ball handler. They're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

Mosley miscast Bane as this floor general or facilitator. They're trying to make this off ball shooter they traded for into an on ball threat, it truly makes no sense.

The guy last night was rarely catching and shooting. He was putting it on the floor, driving into traffic trying to score or facilitate for his teammates. Most of the time it ended in turnovers or bad shots.

I don't understand the logic behind it at all.

Well, so it's early and we'll see what I'll they're trying, but I'd note that to this point in the season that Bane has less a) touches, b) time per touch & c) dripples per touch than Paolo, so this hasn't yet been a situation where the Magic have played with a consistent scheme with Bane on-ball and Paolo off-ball.

This then to say that while I wouldn't advise a team to play Bane on-ball generally, I also understand the Magic giving it a shot right now because the other stuff they've been using hasn't worked either.

[threethehardway]

that's literally what Memphis did and he shined. The more likely issue is that the offense running through two 6'9" point forwards, neither of which is a great three point shooter (Wagner has been better this year so far), isn't doing anyone any favors. Could be they just need to figure things out and patience is required. Could mean they need to move someone so roles are more properly defined

Desmond Bane didn't solve a problem for Memphis.

Desmond Bane was a no name, T-Rex armed guard with muscles that could shoot the ball.

He was drafted at the end of the first round and hopefully he can come in and just be a bench shooter.

He was a nobody and Memphis developed him. He wasn't drafted with any expectations to right the mistakes of a front office.

When you give up multiple picks for a player and sign him to a 9 or however many figure contract, you expect them to come in and turn your entire team around by solving a very specific problem.

Desmond Bane was acquired for the following reasons:

1. To hide the fact that Mosley doesn't know crap about offense.
2. To hide the fact Paolo and Franz are not able to be primary playmakers.
3. To hide the fact that the Magic's roster is offensively flawed due to the years of not caring about offense and drafting random 6'6 to 6'9 guys that have the offensive skill level of a 5 year college starter G-league Wing because the Magic thinks NBA basketball is about being the strongest and the fastest, not the most skilled.

You don't give up as many picks and money to a player as unacclaimed as Desmond Bane if you aren't hiding years of ineptitude. He never been an all-star, he's never been an all-nba anything. It's like a firm hiring McKinsey when they are about to do a "strategy shift" or a "technology transformation" - which means CYA in executive speak.

Getting Bane was a signal that the Magic front office don't know what to do about Coach Mosley Division 1 NCAA coaching style and philosophy, which is which is good for Cinderalla Team that plays hard. Bcause the team is good enough to make it the playoffs but it's some how very dysfunctional on offense.

What's more important, righting the roster and getting a good coach or making the playoffs?

The answer was neither and let's just get Desmond Bane and see if he fixes everything. And if he doesn't, we will just get rid of Mosley and blame his lack of performance and still have Desmond Bane.

Let's do the same exercise for the Hawks trade for Dejounte Murray:

1. To hide the fact that the Hawks tried to win too soon after their ECF and should've did a massive sell off to get a star by convincing some stupid GM that Kevin Huerter is the next Klay Thompson and John Collin is Amare 2.0.
2. To hide the fact that the front office doesn't genuinely believe Trae Young is good enough to win a championship but the owner is cheap as hell and refuses to tank.
3. To hide the fact that the Hawks botched the Luka trade and set the franchise back like 100 years.

And the Hawks at least understood not to double down and start trying to do things the right way, with basketball in mind, not covering up years of bad decisions with a player that was never that good.

Point is, nobody went acquired Desmond Bane for legitimate basketball reasons.

Just like nobody went and got Dejounte Murray for legitimate basketball reasons.

Just like nobody legitimately hires McKinsey if they want to make their company better.