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Post #281 » by **Diop** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 3:25 am

Texas Chuck wrote:yeah the little Mavs have very little in the way of enticement so I don't see them being able to unload Klay Thompson.

if you agree to take Miles Bridges we might be able to get something to work.

Post #282 » by **Texas Chuck** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 3:50 am

Diop wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:yeah the little Mavs have very little in the way of enticement so I don't see them being able to unload Klay Thompson.

if you agree to take Miles Bridges we might be able to get something to work.

Charlotte is a team Dallas loves to trade with. But the idea of a Klay trade would be saving money so not sure how Bridges helps with that goal?

Post #283 » by **Diop** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 4:08 am

Texas Chuck wrote:
Diop wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:yeah the little Mavs have very little in the way of enticement so I don't see them being able to unload Klay Thompson.

if you agree to take Miles Bridges we might be able to get something to work.

Charlotte is a team Dallas loves to trade with. But the idea of a Klay trade would be saving money so not sure how Bridges helps with that goal?

I'd take Caleb as well, or whatever you want to help the salaries i guess. Mann and/or Sexton can be available as well.

I think only our rookies are not for sale, but our 2 "stars" Miller and Ball are 2 injury prone to be worth trading.

To be honest, if Miller and Ball could secure Charlotte another top 5 pick in the upcoming draft, I would probably do it.

Fans would be pissed at the complete reset again, but I don't trust those 2 to stay healthy

Astaluego · Post #284 » by **Astaluego** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 7:31 am

C.White to Houston
J.Smith to Bulls
J.Carter + 2 SRP,s(Bulls )to Jazz

Does anyone owe value here? Who says no?

LarsV8 · Post #285 » by **LarsV8** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 7:51 am

Astaluego wrote:C.White to Houston
J.Smith to Bulls
J.Carter + 2 SRP,s(Bulls )to Jazz

Does anyone owe value here? Who says no?

White doesn't have that kind of value, and the Rockets need for a PG turned out to not be all that needed.

SkyHook · Post #286 » by **SkyHook** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 2:46 pm

Astaluego wrote:C.White to Houston
J.Smith to Bulls
J.Carter + 2 SRP,s(Bulls )to Jazz

Does anyone owe value here? Who says no?

This deal doesn't work as-is because of Smith's poison pill status; HOU would need to send out a minimum contract along with him.

It would be far better for the Bulls to keep the cheap expiring White and to continue to increase Patrick Williams's minutes than to trade for Jabari on that contract.

Godaddycurse · Post #287 » by **Godaddycurse** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 3:15 pm

SkyHook wrote:
Astaluego wrote:C.White to Houston
J.Smith to Bulls
J.Carter + 2 SRP,s(Bulls )to Jazz

Does anyone owe value here? Who says no?

This deal doesn't work as-is because of Smith's poison pill status; HOU would need to send out a minimum contract along with him.

It would be far better for the Bulls to keep the cheap expiring White and to continue to increase Patrick Williams's minutes than to trade for Jabari on that contract.

smith is worth 12.3M outgoing, thats enough to match White's 12.8M incoming

SkyHook · Post #288 » by **SkyHook** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 6:28 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
SkyHook wrote:
Astaluego wrote:C.White to Houston
J.Smith to Bulls
J.Carter + 2 SRP,s(Bulls )to Jazz

Does anyone owe value here? Who says no?

This deal doesn't work as-is because of Smith's poison pill status; HOU would need to send out a minimum contract along with him.

It would be far better for the Bulls to keep the cheap expiring White and to continue to increase Patrick Williams's minutes than to trade for Jabari on that contract.

smith is worth 12.3M outgoing, thats enough to match White's 12.8M incoming

Sorry... not because of the poison pill, but because Houston is hard capped at the first apron and Spotrac says that this puts them over by $616K.

Godaddycurse · Post #289 » by **Godaddycurse** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 6:31 pm

SkyHook wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
SkyHook wrote:This deal doesn't work as-is because of Smith's poison pill status; HOU would need to send out a minimum contract along with him.

It would be far better for the Bulls to keep the cheap expiring White and to continue to increase Patrick Williams's minutes than to trade for Jabari on that contract.

smith is worth 12.3M outgoing, thats enough to match White's 12.8M incoming

Sorry... not because of the poison pill, but because Houston is hard capped at the first apron and Spotrac says that this puts them over by $616K.

spotrac says they have 1.2M 1st apron space?

SkyHook · Post #290 » by **SkyHook** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 6:43 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
SkyHook wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
smith is worth 12.3M outgoing, thats enough to match White's 12.8M incoming

Sorry... not because of the poison pill, but because Houston is hard capped at the first apron and Spotrac says that this puts them over by $616K.

spotrac says they have 1.2M 1st apron space?

Odd. When I run it through Spotrac's Trade Machine it fails.

babyjax13 · Post #291 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 7:01 pm

Kessler out for the season, terrible in a contract year for him. This is really going to hurt Utah's chances of winning games, so it does help the tank.

Godaddycurse · Post #292 » by **Godaddycurse** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 7:04 pm

babyjax13 wrote:Kessler out for the season, terrible in a contract year for him. This is really going to hurt Utah's chances of winning games, so it does help the tank.

There goes his payday

Post #293 » by **Texas Chuck** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 7:08 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:Kessler out for the season, terrible in a contract year for him. This is really going to hurt Utah's chances of winning games, so it does help the tank.

There goes his payday

Au contraire. We've been told on this board for at least a year he has a near max extension already agreed to and this is just fake injury news to protect him for when Utah really wants him to help them win. He will still get his money. This has been assured.

HadAnEffectHere · Post #294 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 7:10 pm

Absolute catastrophe for the Jazz and Kessler. The two sides already hate each other and this will make Kessler's relationship with the Jazz even worse.

The Jazz now can't trade Kessler either even though Hardy hates him as a player.

SkyHook · Post #295 » by **SkyHook** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 7:17 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:Kessler out for the season, terrible in a contract year for him. This is really going to hurt Utah's chances of winning games, so it does help the tank.

There goes his payday

Au contraire. We've been told on this board for at least a year he has a near max extension already agreed to and this is just fake injury news to protect him for when Utah really wants him to help them win. He will still get his money. This has been assured.

That particular delusional fantasy aside, I expect that Kessler will still make out nicely next summer.

HadAnEffectHere · Post #296 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 7:18 pm

SkyHook wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
There goes his payday

Au contraire. We've been told on this board for at least a year he has a near max extension already agreed to and this is just fake injury news to protect him for when Utah really wants him to help them win. He will still get his money. This has been assured.

That particular delusional fantasy aside, I expect that Kessler will still make out nicely next summer.

I assumed that yes, when the Jazz forced Kessler to throw games and disgrace the sport, that they would reward him instead of immediately low-balling him.

SkyHook · Post #297 » by **SkyHook** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 7:19 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:Absolute catastrophe for the Jazz and Kessler. The two sides already hate each other and this will make Kessler's relationship with the Jazz even worse.

The Jazz now can't trade Kessler either even though Hardy hates him as a player.

This post isn't from the same reality that the rest of us live in.

HadAnEffectHere · Post #298 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 7:21 pm

SkyHook wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:Absolute catastrophe for the Jazz and Kessler. The two sides already hate each other and this will make Kessler's relationship with the Jazz even worse.

The Jazz now can't trade Kessler either even though Hardy hates him as a player.

This post isn't from the same reality that the rest of us live in.

Last year was the most egregious tank in the history of organized sports and you can keep pretending otherwise, I guess.

7 "DNP-Rests" for a 23 year old center trying to earn a big contract extension was a joke.

The Jazz should have just traded Kessler instead of trying to tank with him.

SkyHook · Post #299 » by **SkyHook** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 7:23 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
SkyHook wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:Absolute catastrophe for the Jazz and Kessler. The two sides already hate each other and this will make Kessler's relationship with the Jazz even worse.

The Jazz now can't trade Kessler either even though Hardy hates him as a player.

This post isn't from the same reality that the rest of us live in.

Last year was the most egregious tank in the history of organized sports and you can keep pretending otherwise, I guess.

7 "DNP-Rests" for a 23 year old center trying to earn a big contract extension was a joke.

Yes, the Jazz tanked. That doesn't make the rest of your colorful speculation remotely true. It never has.

bkohler · Post #300 » by **bkohler** » Wed Nov 5, 2025 9:00 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:Last year was the most egregious tank in the history of organized sports and you can keep pretending otherwise, I guess.

The 76ers, Astros, Cavs, and Cubs, Sabres, Heck, even the 1984 Rockets would all like a word. It was tanking, but let's not pretend this isn't a tried-and-true strategy used by all leagues that employ a draft defined by your regular-season record.