Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I can't even believe this. Just when I though the team finally had good management.

Deni was the best asset this team has had since... I don't know when. And they just squandered him for peanuts.

They are not messing around with the tank. On the flip side, the tank gods will not be pleased, and we'll be picking 5th like the Pistons are this year.

WRONG. Worse. We picked sixth.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think this is the classic case of a new regime wanting to go with "their guys". Sorry, I know you all really liked Avdija. On the bright side, you get two 1st rounders and I'm sure you'll get more assets after you trade Brogdon at the deadline. Let this new regime cook before judging as hard as that might sound at the moment.

This.

This is the only logical conclusion, IMO.

Their picks have long arms and are young, possibly still growing. Deni was "old" and not their pick. Who cares if metrics showed him to be a plus defender? Who cares if he was already performing to his extremely friendly contract and improving?

The new regime had some ego with respect to Deni. God blessed him by getting him out of DC. Same with Portis and Gafford. Same with Shamet. Same with Payton II. Same with Hachimura. Those guys were not good enough for the Wizards. They found their niches elsewhere.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The guy was averaging 19/9/4 for the second half of the season while being our best defender and our best player by on/off! WTF?!?

Insane trade.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Not a fan of the deal. Maybe they got word that the Hawks aren't going to pick Risacher and the Wiz will? Plus they have Kispert who also plays the same position. I am just trying to make sense of it all...

I am assuming Kuzma is also gone tonight, and we will be picking top 3 in next years draft.

Man, I hope they don’t pick that bum of Risacher…

I’m in tears tbh

Me too except I’m laughing. Life’s either a tragedy or a comedy, you decide, and the wizards are hysterical!!

Watch them keep Kuzma cause Turd likes his marketability…

He’s coming back for certain. This team will be even more unwatchable next year.

All faith in this new FO is gone.

I will stop looking at D-Day. The Deni trade day was June 26, 2024.

The front office lucked into Alex Sarr. He's a bright spot.

Kuzma is gone. That's addition by subtraction. What a bum he turned out to be.

The team is now unwatchable because CJ isn't as good as Poole was, and Khris Middleton is about ready for the glue factory.

The Wizards would be much better if they had a player like the Israeli player with Portland. What's his name.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Guaranteed that Deni breaks out. This team is dumb af.

I lied. June 26, 2024.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

This just makes me so sad.

i mean this trade was so bad--its a fireable offense. If they had waited another year...your talking about getting a top 5 pick

It was a bad trade, but...

The Beal trade was much better than this was bad. They hit on the Sarr pick. They hit on the George pick.

This FO should be judged on the aggregate of their moves - not on any single move (IMO).

This is pretty rosy.

The Beal trade really hasn't netted us zilch so far. Sure getting out of the contract was great, but it definitely wasn't something that wipes your slate clean jettisoning a young, blue chip talent that Deni was and is. At the end of the day that was just an unloading of Beal's contract until one of those swaps actual amount to something.

Dawkins has also been anything but special on trades outside of Beal aside maybe the Gafford one. We got nothing for Kristap (we got muscled by a team that desperately wanted him), nothing for Jones, nothing for Brogdon, nothing for Smart, nothing for Kyle (that was also cleaning up a mess of signing him to an extension in the first place), nothing for Poole, won't get anything for CJ or Middleton, all of which were touted by many as bringing us back value. Oh yeah he got a pile of **** for Deni too, but he wasn't his guy so free pass by all the media in this town. Shoulder shrugs,

As far as draft picks go, Sarr has had a good start to the season, but definitely going to need a sample size larger than 8 games after how bad he was last season propped up from a very, very good start from 3 (raise your hand if you think he's going to shoot 45% the rest of the way). Plus he was the 2nd pick in the draft, you at minimum expect decent production on average when picking there, so to act like it's a homerun seems to be jumping the gun just a bit. George has been good, but a classic example of why you may want to kick the breaks on making an assessment of a player after 8 games, to which he's come down to earth since the first couple of games. Bilal and Bub are far from sure things either, one which was the 'crown jewel' of our Portland heist...

Hell he even signed Kispert to an extension lol.

So yes, agree we should look at the aggregate. It ain't anything to write home about, and that's being nice.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Not a fan of the deal. Maybe they got word that the Hawks aren't going to pick Risacher and the Wiz will? Plus they have Kispert who also plays the same position. I am just trying to make sense of it all...

I am assuming Kuzma is also gone tonight, and we will be picking top 3 in next years draft.

Man, I hope they don’t pick that bum of Risacher…

I’m in tears tbh

Me too except I’m laughing. Life’s either a tragedy or a comedy, you decide, and the wizards are hysterical!!

Watch them keep Kuzma cause Turd likes his marketability…

He’s coming back for certain. This team will be even more unwatchable next year.

All faith in this new FO is gone.

I will stop looking at D-Day. The Deni trade day was June 26, 2024.

The front office lucked into Alex Sarr. He's a bright spot.

Kuzma is gone. That's addition by subtraction. What a bum he turned out to be.

The team is now unwatchable because CJ isn't as good as Poole was, and Khris Middleton is about ready for the glue factory.

The Wizards would be much better if they had a player like the Israeli player with Portland. What's his name.

Right on, CCJ!

[bsilver]

Not a fan of the deal. Maybe they got word that the Hawks aren't going to pick Risacher and the Wiz will? Plus they have Kispert who also plays the same position. I am just trying to make sense of it all...

I am assuming Kuzma is also gone tonight, and we will be picking top 3 in next years draft.

Man, I hope they don’t pick that bum of Risacher…

I’m in tears tbh

Me too except I’m laughing. Life’s either a tragedy or a comedy, you decide, and the wizards are hysterical!!

Watch them keep Kuzma cause Turd likes his marketability…

He’s coming back for certain. This team will be even more unwatchable next year.

All faith in this new FO is gone.

I will stop looking at D-Day. The Deni trade day was June 26, 2024.

The front office lucked into Alex Sarr. He's a bright spot.

Kuzma is gone. That's addition by subtraction. What a bum he turned out to be.

The team is now unwatchable because CJ isn't as good as Poole was, and Khris Middleton is about ready for the glue factory.

The Wizards would be much better if they had a player like the Israeli player with Portland. What's his name.

Totally with you on D-Day. I see someone led Portland to a come from behind victory over OKC last night.
26 pts, 10 rebounds, 9 assists, not a good shooting night but 15-16 free throws

[dckingsfan]

i mean this trade was so bad--its a fireable offense. If they had waited another year...your talking about getting a top 5 pick

It was a bad trade, but...

The Beal trade was much better than this was bad. They hit on the Sarr pick. They hit on the George pick.

This FO should be judged on the aggregate of their moves - not on any single move (IMO).

This is pretty rosy.

The Beal trade really hasn't netted us zilch so far. Sure getting out of the contract was great, but it definitely wasn't something that wipes your slate clean jettisoning a young, blue chip talent that Deni was and is. At the end of the day that was just an unloading of Beal's contract until one of those swaps actual amount to something.

Dawkins has also been anything but special on trades outside of Beal aside maybe the Gafford one. We got nothing for Kristap (we got muscled by a team that desperately wanted him), nothing for Jones, nothing for Brogdon, nothing for Smart, nothing for Kyle (that was also cleaning up a mess of signing him to an extension in the first place), nothing for Poole, won't get anything for CJ or Middleton, all of which were touted by many as bringing us back value. Oh yeah he got a pile of **** for Deni too, but he wasn't his guy so free pass by all the media in this town. Shoulder shrugs,

As far as draft picks go, Sarr has had a good start to the season, but definitely going to need a sample size larger than 8 games after how bad he was last season propped up from a very, very good start from 3 (raise your hand if you think he's going to shoot 45% the rest of the way). Plus he was the 2nd pick in the draft, you at minimum expect decent production on average when picking there, so to act like it's a homerun seems to be jumping the gun just a bit. George has been good, but a classic example of why you may want to kick the breaks on making an assessment of a player after 8 games, to which he's come down to earth since the first couple of games. Bilal and Bub are far from sure things either, one which was the 'crown jewel' of our Portland heist...

Hell he even signed Kispert to an extension lol.

So yes, agree we should look at the aggregate. It ain't anything to write home about, and that's being nice.

Damn, I am now having to defend the FO. I am trying to only go with the positive from here on out, so there is that.

Yes, there is the bad - both the Kispert and Kuz signings. The Deni trade for sure. I would add in a couple of the draft picks. Never liked the Poole trade but it was more of a wash.

But the Beal trade is like a hedge. And that is a really good thing - even if we don't cash in. I don't think we should dismiss it at all.

And yes, small sample size on Sarr and George - but dang, I like it so far. Why? Because both have shown they can hit the defensive boards and defend in general. They at least have what it takes to be good two-way players (BTW, I see both of them getting worn down as the season progresses). And I still like the Champagnie signing.

Now, if you flip Deni for Bub... yeah, we are all probably singing a different tune. Or if they had waited on the trade - same.

[Jimmy Recard]

What’s sad is that most of us saw this coming. A Deni/Kyshawn/Sarr front court could have been special.

[payitforward]

"Most of us" didn't have much positive to say about Sarr when he was picked or at any time last year.
"Most of us" didn't have the faintest idea who Kyshawn George was & had no special interest in him when we moved up a couple of spots to pick him.
Deni certainly had his supporters here &, based on his play the 2d half of '23-24, he deserved their support.

For the rest, I don't think there were many constructive ideas here about how to rebuild.

As to the Kuzma signing, if we hadn't re-signed him we wouldn't have been able to trade him. What was your alternative? Let him walk?
As to Kispert, were you looking to let him walk as well?

[DukeLecker]

This may have been mentioned before, but is there any chance the minority owners (Qatar Investment Authority) push Ted to trade Deni b/c he’s from Israel? They just gave Ted a grip of cash and forced his hand?

[The Consiglieri]

No, if ---- like that would happen, I imagine the league would step in. That can't, and shouldn't ever fly.

[Dark Faze]

We're now statistically in the territory where it's more likely than not that Deni is better than anyone we get in this upcoming draft lul, even including #1 overall

[tontoz]

We're now statistically in the territory where it's more likely than not that Deni is better than anyone we get in this upcoming draft lul, even including #1 overall

That is ridiculous. Deni is still mediocre from 3 and very turnover prone. Teams leave him open from 3 at times. He was 5-17 last game. Holiday was the hero making 6 threes. Let's not forget that OKC was missing Chet/Jdub/Dort.

Deni might make the All-Star game, might not. Glad he is doing well and winning but lets not get carried away here.

[nate33]

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[Dark Faze]

We're now statistically in the territory where it's more likely than not that Deni is better than anyone we get in this upcoming draft lul, even including #1 overall

That is ridiculous. Deni is still mediocre from 3 and very turnover prone. Teams leave him open from 3 at times. He was 5-17 last game. Holiday was the hero making 6 threes. Let's not forget that OKC was missing Chet/Jdub/Dort.

Deni might make the All-Star game, might not. Glad he is doing well and winning but lets not get carried away here.

He is probably not going to be better than #1, but it wouldn't be *that* surprising. He's having a better season than Paolo. Not all #1's are created equal.

[tontoz]

He is probably not going to be better than #1, but it wouldn't be *that* surprising. He's having a better season than Paolo. Not all #1's are created equal.

That is just because Paolo can't shoot and shoots a lot. He's just not that good and is a big reason why the Magic continue to disappoint. His EFG is 47.7% he just gets bailed out by getting to the foul line a lot.

I would take Deni over Paolo. I wouldn't take him over Peterson or AJ. No chance.

I would take Deni over Boozer though.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

We're now statistically in the territory where it's more likely than not that Deni is better than anyone we get in this upcoming draft lul, even including #1 overall

That is ridiculous. Deni is still mediocre from 3 and very turnover prone. Teams leave him open from 3 at times. He was 5-17 last game. Holiday was the hero making 6 threes. Let's not forget that OKC was missing Chet/Jdub/Dort.

Deni might make the All-Star game, might not. Glad he is doing well and winning but lets not get carried away here.

Teams leaving Deni open from three is utter BS, I've watched every Portland game. Most of his threes are now off the dribble, not spot ups, because him and Holiday are the best at penetrating on that team, so he doesn't really benefit from the kick-out at all.

Yes he was 5-17 in that game but 5-6 last six shots and 15-16 from the line. He made made had at least two big buckets down the stretch and made assists on another 2-3 baskets. Also best +/- among starters (+6) in a game won by 2 while pulling down 10 boards and 9 assists. Not to mention he's still sporting a 62 TS% this season. That OKC team missing those players still were whipping the **** out of other teams, OKC is stacked and a juggernaut, you can only play you opponent that's on the floor. They also have wins against a fully healthy Warriors and Nuggets team too, where Deni was integral to both dubs.

The beauty also about his game is he doesn't have to rely on the three point game which he's been fine enough over the last three shooting, shooting essentially league average over the last couple years. He's elite at getting to the rim, drawing contact and getting fouls. You can be an elite 3 without elite three point shooting if you are adept like he is at getting to the rim.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

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But those meaty second round picks we got too...