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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1041 » by Braggins » Sat Nov 8, 2025 8:02 pm

SWedd523 wrote:Braggins loves him some PJ

(I don't think PJ is moving any **** needles either)

I am a certified PJ Washington fan lol.

I mean, he wouldn't make a big difference, but I saw those moves I suggested as being more about making the team more functional/watchable in the short term (the roster is poorly constructed even if they are healthy) and setting them up to hit the ground running once they make a real splash move down the line or/and hopefully get a big hit in the upcoming draft.

Alternatively, they could go the complete opposite direction and just go for a complete tear down and Id get it, but if they are planning on trying to compete in the next couple years they might as well go ahead and look to opportunistically look for upgrades wherever they can find them. The main reason I'm mentioning PJ/Gafford and Claxton is because they seem like they could potentially be available soon. I was looking around the league for teams that might be sellers. Lauri and JJJ seem like they could be the higher impact guys that could be available for a bigger move and I'd also be open to trading for them.

SWedd523 wrote:I also don't think Center is a strength. They offer no floor spacing, no scoring, and opposing bigs and teams still seem to score fairly reliably in the paint.

Kalk is definitely doing better than I expected but it's still a weaker rotation than most teams they play.

4 spot being shambles also doesn't do much to relieve the pressure on them.

Kalk and Moose are fine, but they both are about to turn 24 years old and are likely fairly close to their ceilings. I have little confidence either are starting level centers.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1042 » by Braggins » Sat Nov 8, 2025 8:07 pm

fatlever wrote:Go for a center that truly changes our profile. Claxton is a marginal upgrade.

This is probably where our disagreement comes from. I don't think Claxton is necessarily a world beater or anything, but I think he is a pretty big upgrade over and Kalk and Moose. I'm not a big Nets guy so maybe I'm off on this.

fatlever wrote:Otherwise target forward depth

i want bof
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1043 » by Braggins » Sat Nov 8, 2025 8:09 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Teams doing stupid **** like trading 4 or 5 future first rounders for players like bane and Mikal bridges (good players but damn) will make it almost impossible to trade for a JJJ unless we give up our entire future, and we’re not close to making a trade like that in my opinion.

Its really hard to gauge the trade market right now imo. Thats why at this point I don't even bother trying to give specific amounts of picks when I propose trades.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1044 » by SWedd523 » Sat Nov 8, 2025 9:47 pm

fatlever wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:Braggins loves him some PJ

(I don't think PJ is moving any **** needles either)


I also don't think Center is a strength. They offer no floor spacing, no scoring, and opposing bigs and teams still seem to score fairly reliably in the paint.

Kalk is definitely doing better than I expected but it's still a weaker rotation than most teams they play.

4 spot being shambles also doesn't do much to relieve the pressure on them.
Right, but Claxton doesn't change that.

Go for a center that truly changes our profile. Claxton is a marginal upgrade.

Otherwise target forward depth


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I feel like this is deja vu. I swear I've said this already: I never said anything about Claxton and generally do not give a **** about him
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1045 » by JustBuzzin » Sat Nov 8, 2025 10:15 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
fatlever wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:Braggins loves him some PJ

(I don't think PJ is moving any **** needles either)


I also don't think Center is a strength. They offer no floor spacing, no scoring, and opposing bigs and teams still seem to score fairly reliably in the paint.

Kalk is definitely doing better than I expected but it's still a weaker rotation than most teams they play.

4 spot being shambles also doesn't do much to relieve the pressure on them.
Right, but Claxton doesn't change that.

Go for a center that truly changes our profile. Claxton is a marginal upgrade.

Otherwise target forward depth


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I feel like this is deja vu. I swear I've said this already: I never said anything about Claxton and generally do not give a **** about him

You sound stressed take a trip to Myrtle Beach :D
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1046 » by SWedd523 » Sat Nov 8, 2025 11:39 pm

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SWedd523 wrote:
fatlever wrote:Right, but Claxton doesn't change that.

Go for a center that truly changes our profile. Claxton is a marginal upgrade.

Otherwise target forward depth


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I feel like this is deja vu. I swear I've said this already: I never said anything about Claxton and generally do not give a **** about him

You sound stressed take a trip to Myrtle Beach :D

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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1047 » by GiggitySmalls » Sun Nov 9, 2025 1:51 am

Pj would solve alot of problems. He could hold down the 4 miles could slide to 3 miller to 2 kon as super 6th, and in small ball lineups you could go melo/sexton, kon, miller, miles, pj. Pj has played center for us and could be used in certain situations. Plus if we got pj and didnt have to give up miles, we would never have to see salmon on the floor at all as grant coming back healthy would be next man up naturally. Id love to have pj back.

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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1048 » by fatlever » Sun Nov 9, 2025 4:26 am

GiggitySmalls wrote:Pj would solve alot of problems. He could hold down the 4 miles could slide to 3 miller to 2 kon as super 6th

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or... hear me out...
kon can keep starting and miles can **** off to the bench.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1049 » by JDR720 » Sun Nov 9, 2025 4:40 am

We could probably trade Miles to the Kings.

Big Trade:

Melo + Miles for Sabonis + Monk + 1st round pick.

Then we trade Sexton or Mann to somewhere too.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1050 » by Bassman » Sun Nov 9, 2025 6:26 pm

JDR720 wrote:We could probably trade Miles to the Kings.

Big Trade:

Melo + Miles for Sabonis + Monk + 1st round pick.

Then we trade Sexton or Mann to somewhere too.


I would love this but doubt the Kings do it…might want a first from CLT. :o More importantly, Jeffie isn’t doing this, even if they give us picks. He wants to build S L O W L Y….steady as she goes….s t r e t c h it out. More job security. Also afraid to trade the “franchise” player in case he grows steel rods in his ankles, becomes a difference maker on another team.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1051 » by Braggins » Sun Nov 9, 2025 11:43 pm

JDR720 wrote:We could probably trade Miles to the Kings.

Big Trade:

Melo + Miles for Sabonis + Monk + 1st round pick.

Then we trade Sexton or Mann to somewhere too.

My personal fun idea that is extremely unrealistic would be something like LaMelo + Tre Mann for Franz + Anthony Black.

Black ~ Kon ~ Miller ~ Franz ~ Kalk

LaMelo ~ Suggs ~ Bane ~ Paolo ~ WCJr

Its way too dangerous to make a trade like that in division. Imagine they did this and LaMelos gets his ankles right and then him and Paolo proceed to stomp the Hornets for the next five years, which is I'm sure exactly what would happen.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1052 » by JustBuzzin » Yesterday 12:26 am

Rockets are the most likely situation if we trade LaMelo.

Reed/Eason seem like the type of players they would want.

Add FVF as a filler.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1053 » by Diop » Yesterday 12:52 am

Keep an eye on who wants Ja, could find a buyer there
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1054 » by JMAC3 » Yesterday 3:09 pm

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JDR720 wrote:We could probably trade Miles to the Kings.

Big Trade:

Melo + Miles for Sabonis + Monk + 1st round pick.

Then we trade Sexton or Mann to somewhere too.

My personal fun idea that is extremely unrealistic would be something like LaMelo + Tre Mann for Franz + Anthony Black.

Black ~ Kon ~ Miller ~ Franz ~ Kalk

LaMelo ~ Suggs ~ Bane ~ Paolo ~ WCJr

Its way too dangerous to make a trade like that in division. Imagine they did this and LaMelos gets his ankles right and then him and Paolo proceed to stomp the Hornets for the next five years, which is I'm sure exactly what would happen.


I just don't see any world where we are trading LaMelo and getting back another All-star level player. Sadly, if we trade LaMelo it will be a bag of unknown picks, probably bad salary and maybe 1 semi-uninspiring rookie contract player.

The Magic would not take the risk of trading a healthy Franz for a banged-up LaMelo.

I think if we want to have a serious conversation about trading LaMelo, these packages are kind of a waste of time and really misleading. Trading LaMelo for equally as good healthy player X just isn't happening.

Same for the Sabonis deal- that move doesn't make the Kings any better.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1055 » by fatlever » Yesterday 5:58 pm

Yeah... I agree. I think the return for him in a trade is generally going to be the poo poo platter variety. Aka random picks, bad contract and maybe a young prospect.

Top 5 teams in league we think might even have interest to trade for Melo? Team that needs a guard, feels like they are one Allstar guard away, risk taking team willing to gamble big? And who have matching salary and picks left to trade? That's gotta be a short list.

4 years 160 left on his deal. That's a massive risk for someone with chronic ankle injuries.

Hornets will be patient waiting for an offer. Internally they may be ready to move on but I'm not sure they will advertise it or start initiating trades. Not yet.

Are the Hornets frustrated that he is injured again? Or are they frustrated that he is unable or unwilling to play thru pain?

Is it possible that everyone including the players are aware that Miller will be out for an extended period, and therefore there is zero urgency to rush back? I mean it's not like the Hornets were really trying to win this year anyway, and then Miller goes down.

Are the Hornets downplaying the Miller and Melo injuries early on so that the marketing and sales staff can keep selling ticket packages? That would be the most 2025 America scenario possible. Lol.

But I do genuinely believe that mentally and internally the Hornets are probably ready to go in a different direction, especially with the rookies looking solid. How they go about doing that is the big question. They have been talking about changing the culture for 2 years now. And that to me has always felt a little bit like a dog whistle saying, melo/miles are part of the culture problem from the previous regime.



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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1056 » by Bassman » Yesterday 6:24 pm

fatlever wrote:Yeah... I agree. I think the return for him in a trade is generally going to be the poo poo platter variety. Aka random picks, bad contract and maybe a young prospect.

Top 5 teams in league we think might even have interest to trade for Melo? Team that needs a guard, feels like they are one Allstar guard away, risk taking team willing to gamble big? And who have matching salary and picks left to trade? That's gotta be a short list.

4 years 160 left on his deal. That's a massive risk for someone with chronic ankle injuries.

Hornets will be patient waiting for an offer. Internally they may be ready to move on but I'm not sure they will advertise it or start initiating trades. Not yet.

Are the Hornets frustrated that he is injured again? Or are they frustrated that he is unable or unwilling to play thru pain?

Is it possible that everyone including the players are aware that Miller will be out for an extended period, and therefore there is zero urgency to rush back? I mean it's not like the Hornets were really trying to win this year anyway, and then Miller goes down.

Are the Hornets downplaying the Miller and Melo injuries early on so that the marketing and sales staff can keep selling ticket packages? That would be the most 2025 America scenario possible. Lol.

But I do genuinely believe that mentally and internally the Hornets are probably ready to go in a different direction, especially with the rookies looking solid. How they go about doing that is the big question. They have been talking about changing the culture for 2 years now. And that to me has always felt a little bit like a dog whistle saying, melo/miles are part of the culture problem from the previous regime.



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Agree with everything you said Fats. I also think the fan base is close to done with key players being forever injured. Look at the various comments on multiple boards, comments in YT videos on the Hornets, etc. Patience is wearing very thin.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1057 » by fatlever » Yesterday 6:31 pm

is charlotte more done with bryce or melo?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1058 » by fatlever » Yesterday 6:42 pm

not that i want this... but would be funny... the 3 team pg swap of teams ready to move on
melo to memphis
ja to atlanta
trae to charlotte
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1059 » by Rich4114 » Yesterday 6:51 pm

fatlever wrote:not that i want this... but would be funny... the 3 team pg swap of teams ready to move on
melo to memphis
ja to atlanta
trae to charlotte


A trade that is 100% fair yet everyone involved is angry about it :lol:
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#1060 » by JDR720 » Yesterday 8:05 pm

Trae at least plays games. The issue with him is he is the worst defender in the league. The Hawks on paper should be just as good as Detroit, but they're playing 4v5 on defense.

A part of me would rather have Ja but trading for him after the Miles stuff is just dumb.

So... Melo better get healthy lol.

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