Full rebuild for the Kings ? Is it really happening ?

[Frank Dux]

Lakers gotta get in on this.

I’ll take Keon Ellis. No thanks to everyone else.

[KnicksGadfly]

Damn I'm impressed by the Kings if they have the balls to just call it now.

But one thing - they need to get rid of Scott Perry fast. He does not know shyt. Get someone who actually knows how to rebuild.

[NZB2323]

:lol:

it's the zach effect
people are so tethered to his dunking it takes them time to realize he adds zero to the W's and they walk through a season in a malaise inducing brain fog

he's a negative sum player

DeRozan and Sabonis don't add value either. Pacers and Raptors had the most success post Sabonis and DD. Slim pickings.

That's a little unfair in Derozan's case, since they moved him for Kawai Leonard. They haven't had more success other than that one year he was there.

A little unfair in Sabonis’s case also, since the Pacers got Hali.

[jokeboy86]

Damn I'm impressed by the Kings if they have the balls to just call it now.

But one thing - they need to get rid of Scott Perry fast. He does not know shyt. Get someone who actually knows how to rebuild.

Unfortunately it wouldn't surprise me if the owner just puts Jeremy Lamb in charge(google the connection). I feel sorry for Kings fans. To go from one clown ownership who almost moved or sold the team to be relocated to an owner who does keep the team in town but also runs things like a clown show.

[LockoutSeason]

One (1) playoff berth since 2006. 19 seasons. Futility they name is Sacramento.

The guy with the best value is probably Schröder because his contract is low and we know he can go in the playoffs.

Their 1 playoff appearance was great though.

[Senor Chang]

Chicago could give them Vuc and Patrick williams for Sabonis. Then they could field a lineup with zach, derozen, pwill, and vuc. All they need now is Lonzo


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[Capn'O]

They just brought Lavine and DeRozan in. They're moving like a reddit poster.

[TheNewEra]

:lol:

it's the zach effect
people are so tethered to his dunking it takes them time to realize he adds zero to the W's and they walk through a season in a malaise inducing brain fog

he's a negative sum player

I hold similar feelings about players like Lavine and Beal but dammit if you put Lavine on the Bucks I think it would be a perfect fit. Even empty calorie points would be a boost and relief for Giannis

[HMFFL]

it's the zach effect
people are so tethered to his dunking it takes them time to realize he adds zero to the W's and they walk through a season in a malaise inducing brain fog

he's a negative sum player

I hold similar feelings about players like Lavine and Beal but dammit if you put Lavine on the Bucks I think it would be a perfect fit. Even empty calorie points would be a boost and relief for Giannis

Would Lavine control the ball too much for Giannis' liking?

Lavine to me is a negative and the Bucks already have a couple on their roster. Lavine has had one season where is team played above .500 in his NBA career.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

:lol:

it's the zach effect
people are so tethered to his dunking it takes them time to realize he adds zero to the W's and they walk through a season in a malaise inducing brain fog

he's a negative sum player

I hold similar feelings about players like Lavine and Beal but dammit if you put Lavine on the Bucks I think it would be a perfect fit. Even empty calorie points would be a boost and relief for Giannis

If you remove Turner and Kuzma and add LaVine, don't think the Bucks improve

Which is the real issue. LaVine makes $47.5M. If he was a minimum salary contract, sure, he'd be a great 6th man for a lot of teams

[Senor Chang]

:lol:

it's the zach effect
people are so tethered to his dunking it takes them time to realize he adds zero to the W's and they walk through a season in a malaise inducing brain fog

he's a negative sum player

I hold similar feelings about players like Lavine and Beal but dammit if you put Lavine on the Bucks I think it would be a perfect fit. Even empty calorie points would be a boost and relief for Giannis

I think zach would actually really help the bucks. Dude scores with elite efficiency. He just can’t carry a team.


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[bstein14]

The main part of a rebuild is to land a #1 guy in a draft.... they did that with Haliburton seemingly but they traded the wrong guy it should have been Fox if they felt like the pair wouldn't work together.

The hardest part of rebuilding it getting a top 20 player, a perennial all-star type to be your #1 guy. I get the appeal of trying it again.

I don't know if LaVine or DeMar have any trade value at all at their age, production, and what they can provide on defense. I assume they could get something for Sabonis but it might not be as much as they'd hope for.

[Hoop Hunter]

We'll give you 3 2nd round picks for Sabonis.

[Clav]

I see Monk being the most versatile fit for other teams to target but Sabonis is probably the best overall player, and certainly could make a difference if teams sack [ha, pun not intended] some MLE level or 20M contracts for a solid post presence. Charlotte ?? Phoenix ?? Orlando (walk with me on Domas high-post unlocking the Magic offense. I rate both of them as 1 FRP or better.

Schroder and Westbrook could potentially help teams needing guards, of which there are a few, but they aren't necessarily game changers for the receivign team. However they might be worth a deeper bench player needing a new home.

Also, will be interesting if DeRozan finds a place a la Sabonis, same situation. He can help in certain situations, but is not the best target for improving the maximum ceiling. He is a proven scorer. There should be some level in intrigue here.

Get creative GMs let's see what you got.

Kings untouchables for me are Murray and Clifford. Saric is low enough salary that he should only be included if necessary.

[Hoop Hunter]

Sabonis is interesting. I think a team could build a Nuggets style offense around him.

No you can’t. I've seen a lot of Sabonis. He's not good enough to run a offense through. He's not even Jokic light.

He's a very good passer, but he'll bog down a offense. If that’s your strategy you're gonna be disappointed. He needs to be the 3rd or 4th best player on a team, then you got something.

[Lalouie]

it's the zach effect
people are so tethered to his dunking it takes them time to realize he adds zero to the W's and they walk through a season in a malaise inducing brain fog

he's a negative sum player

I hold similar feelings about players like Lavine and Beal but dammit if you put Lavine on the Bucks I think it would be a perfect fit. Even empty calorie points would be a boost and relief for Giannis

Would Lavine control the ball too much for Guannis' liking?

Lavine to me is a negative and the Bucks already have a couple on their roster. Lavine has had one season where is team played above .500 in his NBA career.

wants and needs are all speculative especially in basketball because 2+2 never equals for(and yes i mispelled four on purpose)

so i can only speculate on the surest quantity i know, and that is lavine never helped any team to be better. teams have been consistently better without him. and currently the kings worse this year than last, and the year before.

in all the trade machinations involving zach the team he goes always ends up WORSE off yet the hi hope always follows zach, why? i can only guess that it's STILL the dunk contest

[xBulletproof]

So uh, I know a team that could use a center after Myles Turner left.

[cocktailswith_2short]

Sabonis has value as a third fiddle . Someone will give them some low end assets . Lavine and DeMar you got to just pray for a salary dump.

[Black Jack]

Would the Spurs consider adding Sabonis? He needs to play with a rim protector. With a reduced role he could look better.

[Chuck Everett]

I see Monk being the most versatile fit for other teams to target but Sabonis is probably the best overall player, and certainly could make a difference if teams sack [ha, pun not intended] some MLE level or 20M contracts for a solid post presence. Charlotte ?? Phoenix ?? Orlando (walk with me on Domas high-post unlocking the Magic offense. I rate both of them as 1 FRP or better.

Schroder and Westbrook could potentially help teams needing guards, of which there are a few, but they aren't necessarily game changers for the receivign team. However they might be worth a deeper bench player needing a new home.

Also, will be interesting if DeRozan finds a place a la Sabonis, same situation. He can help in certain situations, but is not the best target for improving the maximum ceiling. He is a proven scorer. There should be some level in intrigue here.

Get creative GMs let's see what you got.

Kings untouchables for me are Murray and Clifford. Saric is low enough salary that he should only be included if necessary.

Literally, we just watched Schröder be a positive for the Pistons in the playoffs against the Knicks. He's not playing well in Sacramento, but last year when DeRozan came in, Kings fans got mad at me for saying his arrival meant a step back for Keegan Murray.

Lo and behold what happened? A step back for Keegan in all levels offensively (defensively he was fine). Dennis will be fine off the bench for an EC playoff team if he gets moved or even Minnesota, if they're willing to part with Conley (they might be loyal to him).

The Kings have a million guards and they all have warts. Monk could fit a few places, but he's firmly a backup now. You're not getting anything but 2nd rounders for him.

Trading someone like DiVincenzo for him is not even an upgrade. Like at all.

Lavine's contract is toxic. I honestly could only see him going to Memphis in a Ja trade. No one else needs a high volume SG who does nothing else.

Demar and Westbrook are what they are. They are going to play their way come hell or high water.

Sabonis could have value to a team like Washington, because they literally have no quality size around Sarr. And Sarr could cover for his deficiencies. However, it seems like the league has figured him out and just attack his weaknesses non-stop now.

Overall, Vivek has to eat this turd sandwich. Enamored with names with little regard for fit or roles. Just asinine team building. Even their youth is all old.

Simply put, this is an organization that needs a top 3 pick.