Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?)

[cpower]

I'm a big AD guy, but even i stay away from him now. He is huge in that Oliver Miller type of way now. You won't recognize him. He must be enjoying that Texas BBQ.

Yea since this is our last year of contending for anything ad isn’t going to be ready to play this year. He’s huge right now.

I said it since last year when they traded away wiggins, the priority has to be to get another wiggins. I think kerr was banking on jk being that guy.

Steph, jimmy, and dray, are too expensive to go out and pursue another max guy. Imo, give me a steph, moody, wiggins, jimmy, and dray starting 5 in a playoff series this year? I like my chances vs anyone.

yup i am with ya. Not liking Wiggins offensive game but he is a better player in playoffs. That would be a sick defensive lineup.

[Onus]

I'm a big AD guy, but even i stay away from him now. He is huge in that Oliver Miller type of way now. You won't recognize him. He must be enjoying that Texas BBQ.

Yea since this is our last year of contending for anything ad isn’t going to be ready to play this year. He’s huge right now.

I said it since last year when they traded away wiggins, the priority has to be to get another wiggins. I think kerr was banking on jk being that guy.

Steph, jimmy, and dray, are too expensive to go out and pursue another max guy. Imo, give me a steph, moody, wiggins, jimmy, and dray starting 5 in a playoff series this year? I like my chances vs anyone.

With how good the heat look right now, I doubt they’re moving Wiggins. I think our best bet is Dillion brooks or pj Washington. Maybe Keon Ellis but I think I’d prefer someone bigger.

[DAWill1128]

If Portland drops off what about a deal of Kuminga plus fillers for Jerami Grant? Get the bigger, better, more seasoned athletic forward.

[superunknown]

If Portland drops off what about a deal of Kuminga plus fillers for Jerami Grant? Get the bigger, better, more seasoned athletic forward.

I would second the idea, especially when one of the fillers is podz

[TB]

If we are trading for an old Blazer i’d prefer Jrue.

He’s near the top of my somewhat realistic list, just behind Jackson, White, and Trey.

[Onus]

If we are trading for an old Blazer i’d prefer Jrue.

He’s near the top of my somewhat realistic list, just behind Jackson, White, and Trey.

I'd much prefer jrue to grant. Who is jackson?

[JRoy]

If Portland drops off what about a deal of Kuminga plus fillers for Jerami Grant? Get the bigger, better, more seasoned athletic forward.

No thanks from POR.

[donkeylips]

If we are trading for an old Blazer i’d prefer Jrue.

He’s near the top of my somewhat realistic list, just behind Jackson, White, and Trey.

I'd much prefer jrue to grant. Who is jackson?

Probably Jaren jackson jr

[AirP.]

Ignore this... it's not a valid trade, I didn't check it in the trade checker. I checked a larger trade and then just went to this without checking.

[xdrta+]

GS Trades
Kumingna => Dallas
1 of (TJD, Santos, GP2) to a 3rd team, probably cost a 2nd.

Dallas trades
Either (Gafford or PJ Washington) => GS

Dallas is a 1st Apron team so they can't take back more salary than they send out. This has them sending out ~14M and taking back JK's 22.5M.

[AirP.]

GS Trades
Kumingna => Dallas
1 of (TJD, Santos, GP2) to a 3rd team, probably cost a 2nd.

Dallas trades
Either (Gafford or PJ Washington) => GS

Dallas is a 1st Apron team so they can't take back more salary than they send out. This has them sending out ~14M and taking back JK's 22.5M.

Here we go... I got lost; I meant to include C.Martin...

GS Trades
Kuminga => Dallas
1 of (TJD, Santos, GP2) => 3rd team, probably cost a 2nd.

Dallas trades
Either (Gafford or PJ Washington) + C.Martin => GS

If PJ Washington happened, GS leans into 3pt shooting and Draymond, Horford and Post for centers this year, maybe some Washington is possible.
IF Gafford, less 3pt shooting but add an athletic shot blocker at center, less Draymond at center to keep him healthier, could run Horford or Post at PF to go double big.

For playoffs...
Gafford trade..
Starters - Curry, Moody, Butler, Draymond, Gafford
Bench - Melton, Podz, GP2, Hield, C.Martin, Richard, Post, Horford

Washington trade.
Starters - Curry, Moody, Butler, Draymond/Washington, Horford/Draymond
Bench - Melton, Podz, GP2, Hield, Richard, C.Martin, Washington/Horford, Post.


I think if GS could get C.Martin from Dallas at around ~9.6 mil, I think he'd work great in GS' offense and defense, he played a bunch at PF in Miami guarding 1-4 at a decent rate. He'd be somewhat a bigger PG2 with more offense. Since leaving Miami he's not been used the same and with that, not nearly as effective. He'd be an interesting scoring defender off the bench but with not much scoring off the bench, he could be given the green light to help the bench score better. A frustrating part of his game, he loves to step on the 3pt line from time to time. I'm not sure how he was supposed to work with Embiid, that signing didn't make much sense.

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[TB]

The all-in play that gives us the best chance at one last title IMO is:

Kuminga, Buddy, Podz, 2 1sts for Jaren Jackson Jr
and
Trayce and a 1st for Keon Ellis

shortened rotation of:

Steph / Melton
Moody / Richard
Jimmy / Ellis
Dray
Jackson / Horford

Seth and Post reserves if we need a shooting boost
GP2 reserve if we need defensive spark
Santos for some energy spark

Rowe and Spencer the last 2 spots but could potentially be in play for a buyout pickup at the deadline.

[Onus]

The all-in play that gives us the best chance at one last title IMO is:

Kuminga, Buddy, Podz, 2 1sts for Jaren Jackson Jr
and
Trayce and a 1st for Keon Ellis

shortened rotation of:

Steph / Melton
Moody / Richard
Jimmy / Ellis
Dray
Jackson / Horford

Seth and Post reserves if we need a shooting boost
GP2 reserve if we need defensive spark
Santos for some energy spark

Rowe and Spencer the last 2 spots but could potentially be in play for a buyout pickup at the deadline.

Would assume that JJJ goes for more than 2 1sts.

[EvanZ]

Yeah we're not getting JJJ for that poo poo platter.

[TB]

Ya I should edit that to “as many 1sts as needed”. And obviously thats only if Ja keeps tanking the Grizzlies and he becomes disgruntled and available.

[Onus]

Ya I should edit that to “as many 1sts as needed”. And obviously thats only if Ja keeps tanking the Grizzlies and he becomes disgruntled and available.

I doubt that would leave us with a 1st to get Ellis. But we could probably get Vince Williams from the Grizz and/or Cam Spencer?

[vvoland]

The all-in play that gives us the best chance at one last title IMO is:

Kuminga, Buddy, Podz, 2 1sts for Jaren Jackson Jr
and
Trayce and a 1st for Keon Ellis

shortened rotation of:

Steph / Melton
Moody / Richard
Jimmy / Ellis
Dray
Jackson / Horford

Seth and Post reserves if we need a shooting boost
GP2 reserve if we need defensive spark
Santos for some energy spark

Rowe and Spencer the last 2 spots but could potentially be in play for a buyout pickup at the deadline.

Would assume that JJJ goes for more than 2 1sts.

Depends on what the 1sts are. If they're fully unprotected FRPs in the latter year, say 30/32, that might be enough. How many of OKC's middling 1st rounders could we get if we traded them our unprotected 2030 and 2032? I'd guess, at least 5. Obviously, this year's LAC pick not included but all those mid firsts they've collected? 5 sounds about right.

If it's those 2 picks and podz, can't you make the argument that podz has the value of a mid first? If Sac was offering an FRP for JK (even though we'd have to take Monk), can't you say JK = a late first? 2 young players + expiring salary + 2 premium picks may be enough to get it done. Throw in a lightly protected pick swap and it probably gets done.

This board is super low on JK (not me) and Podz (me). They likely have more value around the league than we think. Isn't the problem that JJJ got an extension and is making 50M next year vs the 35 this season?

[wco81]

JJJ is not worth multiple FRPs. Few players are.

After Curry is gone, JJJ alone won't get this team of 45-50 wins a year.

[Onus]

The all-in play that gives us the best chance at one last title IMO is:

Kuminga, Buddy, Podz, 2 1sts for Jaren Jackson Jr
and
Trayce and a 1st for Keon Ellis

shortened rotation of:

Steph / Melton
Moody / Richard
Jimmy / Ellis
Dray
Jackson / Horford

Seth and Post reserves if we need a shooting boost
GP2 reserve if we need defensive spark
Santos for some energy spark

Rowe and Spencer the last 2 spots but could potentially be in play for a buyout pickup at the deadline.

Would assume that JJJ goes for more than 2 1sts.

Depends on what the 1sts are. If they're fully unprotected FRPs in the latter year, say 30/32, that might be enough. How many of OKC's middling 1st rounders could we get if we traded them our unprotected 2030 and 2032? I'd guess, at least 5. Obviously, this year's LAC pick not included but all those mid firsts they've collected? 5 sounds about right.

If it's those 2 picks and podz, can't you make the argument that podz has the value of a mid first? If Sac was offering an FRP for JK (even though we'd have to take Monk), can't you say JK = a late first? 2 young players + expiring salary + 2 premium picks may be enough to get it done. Throw in a lightly protected pick swap and it probably gets done.

This board is super low on JK (not me) and Podz (me). They likely have more value around the league than we think. Isn't the problem that JJJ got an extension and is making 50M next year vs the 35 this season?

JK is not a late 1st. The 1st was for the salary dump of Monk on top of the 2 2nds they originally offered. But say the Grizz did value JK as a late 1st. 4 1sts for JJJ still seems light.

We know JK doesn't have value around the league. We literally just witnessed his agent scour the league for value and no one was offering it. Hell it's come out Toronto and Utah said absolutely not to JK.

[vvoland]

Would assume that JJJ goes for more than 2 1sts.

Depends on what the 1sts are. If they're fully unprotected FRPs in the latter year, say 30/32, that might be enough. How many of OKC's middling 1st rounders could we get if we traded them our unprotected 2030 and 2032? I'd guess, at least 5. Obviously, this year's LAC pick not included but all those mid firsts they've collected? 5 sounds about right.

If it's those 2 picks and podz, can't you make the argument that podz has the value of a mid first? If Sac was offering an FRP for JK (even though we'd have to take Monk), can't you say JK = a late first? 2 young players + expiring salary + 2 premium picks may be enough to get it done. Throw in a lightly protected pick swap and it probably gets done.

This board is super low on JK (not me) and Podz (me). They likely have more value around the league than we think. Isn't the problem that JJJ got an extension and is making 50M next year vs the 35 this season?

JK is not a late 1st. The 1st was for the salary dump of Monk on top of the 2 2nds they originally offered. But say the Grizz did value JK as a late 1st. 4 1sts for JJJ still seems light.

We know JK doesn't have value around the league. We literally just witnessed his agent scour the league for value and no one was offering it. Hell it's come out Toronto and Utah said absolutely not to JK.

I don't think that's true. His contractual situation was a limiting factor and if in Feb he gets the same lukewarm offers, I'll agree with you.