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[Klomp]

This might be a deal that Dallas could look at after this season if they don’t care about keeping the higher ceiling and just wants to try and make it easy for the kids?

You can trade AD for Randle and then get value for PJ, so there is some added value there (despite no Dallas wanting to trade PJ honestly)

But it would be really ill advised for Dallas to raise the floor this season. You have just this season to build value through the draft around Cooper. This was obvious to everyone 5 months ago and now seems even more clear that the team is producing how some expected them to..

2027 Dallas first - to Charlotte top 2 protected
2028 Dallas first - swap with OKC
2029 Dallas first - who knows. Houston or Brooklyn? Or someone.
2030 Dallas first - swap with SAS

That's definitely a good point. A trade mid-season is likely about bottoming out. Waiting until the offseason, there is less reason to bottom out.

[Klomp]

Where would the value lie in a DiVincenzo for Pritchard swap?

[SkyHook]

Yeah, I get that. He's also expiring though. Thinking that there might be guys (or groups of guys) also on expiring deals who are providing much less or even not playing at all. Or a team that might want a larger expiring slot. Just spitballing.

The problem is no decent team is going to play Nurkic all those minutes, let alone start him. No bad team is going to pay to swap expirings.

Boston should pay a bit to swap simons for nurkic to save some money

That would easily get Boston under the first apron. If the Celtics wanted to get completely out of the tax, they could try to move Hauser as well. With his weak start to the season, would any team give up an expiring for him at this point, let alone add value?

[dcstanley]

What would the Pistons owe in terms of value to turn Tobias Harris into JJJ?

Curious to know what the going rate is for JJJ a month into his extension

[jbk1234]

What would the Pistons owe in terms of value to turn Tobias Harris into JJJ?

Curious to know what the going rate is for JJJ a month into his extension

It would be pretty difficult at this point. Their picks and swap rights won't be viewed as valuable given the fact they're basically a playoff lock for the foreseeable future and Memphis appears headed in the other direction. Cade is off limits. They don't really have a centerpiece.

[Godaddycurse]

What would the Pistons owe in terms of value to turn Tobias Harris into JJJ?

Curious to know what the going rate is for JJJ a month into his extension

It would be pretty difficult at this point. Their picks and swap rights won't be viewed as valuable given the fact they're basically a playoff lock for the foreseeable future and Memphis appears headed in the other direction. Cade is off limits. They don't really have a centerpiece.

Would they trade ausar for him?

[theBigLip]

What would the Pistons owe in terms of value to turn Tobias Harris into JJJ?

Curious to know what the going rate is for JJJ a month into his extension

It would be pretty difficult at this point. Their picks and swap rights won't be viewed as valuable given the fact they're basically a playoff lock for the foreseeable future and Memphis appears headed in the other direction. Cade is off limits. They don't really have a centerpiece.

Would they trade ausar for him?

I don’t think so. Ausar has DPOY potential. This would just create another hole.

Tobias plus 3 FRPs?

[K_chile22]

It would be pretty difficult at this point. Their picks and swap rights won't be viewed as valuable given the fact they're basically a playoff lock for the foreseeable future and Memphis appears headed in the other direction. Cade is off limits. They don't really have a centerpiece.

Would they trade ausar for him?

I don’t think so. Ausar has DPOY potential. This would just create another hole.

Tobias plus 3 FRPs?

Well... Think it's pretty fair to say JJJ has more of that potential given he's got one lol

[theBigLip]

Would they trade ausar for him?

I don’t think so. Ausar has DPOY potential. This would just create another hole.

Tobias plus 3 FRPs?

Well... Think it's pretty fair to say JJJ has more of that potential given he's got one lol

Sort of funny but lateral trade doesn’t make sense. The goal is how to add JJJ and not give up core pieces.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Where would the value lie in a DiVincenzo for Pritchard swap?

Celtics 4 million over tax line. Would be 8 million over after the trade.

Would need third team with trade exception to overcome that hurdle.

[YayBasketball]

I don’t think so. Ausar has DPOY potential. This would just create another hole.

Tobias plus 3 FRPs?

Well... Think it's pretty fair to say JJJ has more of that potential given he's got one lol

Sort of funny but lateral trade doesn’t make sense. The goal is how to add JJJ and not give up core pieces.

To be fair, adding a high level player and not giving up core pieces doesn't make sense, either.

[theBigLip]

Well... Think it's pretty fair to say JJJ has more of that potential given he's got one lol

Sort of funny but lateral trade doesn’t make sense. The goal is how to add JJJ and not give up core pieces.

To be fair, adding a high level player and not giving up core pieces doesn't make sense, either.

Agreed as well, hence trying to load up the FRPs to compensate

[theBigLip]

Well... Think it's pretty fair to say JJJ has more of that potential given he's got one lol

Sort of funny but lateral trade doesn’t make sense. The goal is how to add JJJ and not give up core pieces.

To be fair, adding a high level player and not giving up core pieces doesn't make sense, either.

Agreed as well, hence trying to load up the FRPs to compensate

[jbk1234]

Where would the value lie in a DiVincenzo for Pritchard swap?

Celtics 4 million over tax line. Would be 8 million over after the trade.

Would need third team with trade exception to overcome that hurdle.

I don't think it's doable. They already traded Jrue. Pritchard is too valuable given their cap situation.

[Diop]

would Dallas be interested in Lamelo Ball? What would they give up?

Charlotte wouldn't want AD, but Gafford and the younger players maybe. As per the other thread, Lamelo is a difficult one to deal at the moment and to figure out value

[tmorgan]

I’m not sold on any of these “Pistons acquire expensive player” scenarios. It’s awesome that Duren is truly breaking out, but we didn’t extend him because we didn’t believe this level of play was possible. If he stays healthy and keeps this up, he’s getting a max second contract, because he can go out and get one in RFA. Cade made All-NBA, so he’s on a 30%. If you trade for another 25 to 30% guy, that puts you at 80-85% of the cap before dealing with Ivey, then Ausar, then Holland. Sure, one or two of those guys might go out in the deal, but then your quality depth that allows physical defense starts to evaporate.

Detroit isn’t OKC. There’s no hoard of draft picks waiting to fill out the roster.

If the Pistons are looking for another shooter that can function in their defense, they have to look lower for better value. The upper salary limit should be someone like Trey Murphy. Or maybe even lower, looking at someone like Santi Aldama. There needs to be long term vision. It’s a young team, and pricing themselves out of keeping the squad together before they even reach their individual primes is not a good plan.

[dcstanley]

LAL in: Jrue Holiday and Duop Reath
POR in: Gabe Vincent, Jarred Vanderbilt, and Maxi Kleber

I was going to make this thread but realized it doesn't really make sense for the Lakers. Portland should be aggressive in moving Jrue, though. Get off his contract and embrace the tank so they can keep their pick.

[YayBasketball]

What's the read on the Cavs so far? Any chance they shake things up at the deadline, take offers for Allen?
Still like him as a Pels target. Assuming Queen is more of a 4 who would thrive with a lob-threat, defensive anchor C.
Herb + Missi fits salary matching and hypothetical fit. Moves Mobley to C to try and maximize his value on that contract.

A funny thought scenario--- what if Dumars/Weaver goes full Dumars and makes future picks available? Pels' schedule lightens up, Zion back now, with Poole and Murray soon to return. They could realistically go on a run and be in the mix for the play-in. Is it the logical, tame, sensible path? No. But what's interesting is factoring in the 'wildcard' element of GMs in our fake trade scenarios. If someone posted the Bane trade, Luka trade, Queen trade-- they would be mocked as ridiculous. But they all happened just in the past year. What's the next wildcard Wowzer to drop?

[LightTheBeam]

A week ago I was a conspiracy theorist. Today we are getting stories of a coup by Cuban to oust nico and let him run the show again.

Yes this is all very believable. Nico forced mark out, the owner allowed him to quietly "what if" trade a top 5 player in the world for a broken down 33 year old. And suddenly now cubans back in charge lol.

How long until nico is working an advisory role for his buddy in LA?

[babyjax13]

Where would the value lie in a DiVincenzo for Pritchard swap?

I think Minnesota would owe at least a first.