jakobe & Dick were bad picks

[DreamTeam09]

Naked +/- is the worst measurement in basketball. It's just full of noise

Well, he has the best on/off splits of everyone as well outside of Battle.

Same thing. Low minute, bench role guys having good +/- or on/offs is different than a 32 min starter. This is 15 games at 16min/game...its genuinely meaningless.

16minutes is plenty of time to get walloped & for you to lose a game. You play a player 16minutes consistently and said team/player loses those minutes, you're not going to be a good team in the long run.

Gradey literally opens up the floor for other players, You literally see the low man turn his back on drives anticipating a kick-out to GD, that's one less player in the lane, one less player to help.

[mademan]

Well, he has the best on/off splits of everyone as well outside of Battle.

Same thing. Low minute, bench role guys having good +/- or on/offs is different than a 32 min starter. This is 15 games at 16min/game...its genuinely meaningless.

16minutes is plenty of time to get walloped & for you to lose a game. You play a player 16minutes consistently and said team/player loses those minutes, you're not going to be a good team in the long run.

Gradey literally opens up the floor for other players, You literally see the low man turn his back on drives anticipating a kick-out to GD, that's one less player in the lane, one less player to help.

It is crazy to me that people can watch Gradey this year and still glaze him. This is 16 min over 15 games....on/off is historically a stat that has a ton of noise in large samples. In small samples, it is utterly meaningless.

[DreamTeam09]

Same thing. Low minute, bench role guys having good +/- or on/offs is different than a 32 min starter. This is 15 games at 16min/game...its genuinely meaningless.

16minutes is plenty of time to get walloped & for you to lose a game. You play a player 16minutes consistently and said team/player loses those minutes, you're not going to be a good team in the long run.

Gradey literally opens up the floor for other players, You literally see the low man turn his back on drives anticipating a kick-out to GD, that's one less player in the lane, one less player to help.

It is crazy to me that people can watch Gradey this year and still glaze him. This is 16 min over 15 games....on/off is historically a stat that has a ton of noise in large samples. In small samples, it is utterly meaningless.

I mean pointing out statistical facts and drawing conclusion from those stats is not me glazing, it's us literally showing why the numbers correlate to impact and an eye test. If you think having gravity on the floor and a player in the other teams scouting report as "Don't let him get open" is meaningless, then that's a you problem, not us glazing anyone. No1 is saying 2025 GD is Klay Thompson or anything of the sort, just what he brings to the game for those 16mins are justified and warranted and absolutely needed.

[PushDaRock]

Same thing. Low minute, bench role guys having good +/- or on/offs is different than a 32 min starter. This is 15 games at 16min/game...its genuinely meaningless.

16minutes is plenty of time to get walloped & for you to lose a game. You play a player 16minutes consistently and said team/player loses those minutes, you're not going to be a good team in the long run.

Gradey literally opens up the floor for other players, You literally see the low man turn his back on drives anticipating a kick-out to GD, that's one less player in the lane, one less player to help.

It is crazy to me that people can watch Gradey this year and still glaze him. This is 16 min over 15 games....on/off is historically a stat that has a ton of noise in large samples. In small samples, it is utterly meaningless.

How so? Not sure how you look at Jokic's On/Off Splits and say there's a lot of noise or variance there?

[mademan]

16minutes is plenty of time to get walloped & for you to lose a game. You play a player 16minutes consistently and said team/player loses those minutes, you're not going to be a good team in the long run.

Gradey literally opens up the floor for other players, You literally see the low man turn his back on drives anticipating a kick-out to GD, that's one less player in the lane, one less player to help.

It is crazy to me that people can watch Gradey this year and still glaze him. This is 16 min over 15 games....on/off is historically a stat that has a ton of noise in large samples. In small samples, it is utterly meaningless.

I mean pointing out statistical facts and drawing conclusion from those stats is not me glazing, it's us literally showing why the numbers correlate to impact and an eye test. If you think having gravity on the floor and a player in the other teams scouting report as "Don't let him get open" is meaningless, then that's a you problem, not us glazing anyone. No1 is saying 2025 GD is Klay Thompson or anything of the sort, just what he brings to the game for those 16mins are justified and warranted and absolutely needed.

What eye test? What world do you guys live in where Gradey gets an inordinate amount of defensive attention when he's never shot exceptionally well from range in the NBA? You guys think coaches are idiots? Or is a 15 game sample at 16 min/game of a stat that historically is full of noise in much larger samples just meaningless here? Which is more likely? Jamison Battle also secretly hugely impactful (highest +/- per minute on the team)

[PushDaRock]

16minutes is plenty of time to get walloped & for you to lose a game. You play a player 16minutes consistently and said team/player loses those minutes, you're not going to be a good team in the long run.

Gradey literally opens up the floor for other players, You literally see the low man turn his back on drives anticipating a kick-out to GD, that's one less player in the lane, one less player to help.

It is crazy to me that people can watch Gradey this year and still glaze him. This is 16 min over 15 games....on/off is historically a stat that has a ton of noise in large samples. In small samples, it is utterly meaningless.

I mean pointing out statistical facts and drawing conclusion from those stats is not me glazing, it's us literally showing why the numbers correlate to impact and an eye test. If you think having gravity on the floor and a player in the other teams scouting report as "Don't let him get open" is meaningless, then that's a you problem, not us glazing anyone. No1 is saying 2025 GD is Klay Thompson or anything of the sort, just what he brings to the game for those 16mins are justified and warranted and absolutely needed.

Who's even glazing him? I think most of us that are a bit more positive on Gradey are just happy he hasn't been a liability like he was his first 2 seasons.

[DreamTeam09]

It is crazy to me that people can watch Gradey this year and still glaze him. This is 16 min over 15 games....on/off is historically a stat that has a ton of noise in large samples. In small samples, it is utterly meaningless.

I mean pointing out statistical facts and drawing conclusion from those stats is not me glazing, it's us literally showing why the numbers correlate to impact and an eye test. If you think having gravity on the floor and a player in the other teams scouting report as "Don't let him get open" is meaningless, then that's a you problem, not us glazing anyone. No1 is saying 2025 GD is Klay Thompson or anything of the sort, just what he brings to the game for those 16mins are justified and warranted and absolutely needed.

What eye test? What world do you guys live in where Gradey gets an inordinate amount of defensive attention when he's never shot exceptionally well from range in the NBA? You guys think coaches are idiots? Or is a 15 game sample at 16 min/game of a stat that historically is full of noise in much larger samples just meaningless here? Which is more likely? Jamison Battle also secretly hugely impactful (highest +/- per minute on the team)

I'm not sure why you're arguing against statistical data and calling it meaningless, but here is a reporter talking about GD and the impact he's making.
You literally see the defender retreat away from the ball on sheads drive because GD is in the corner. No coaches aren't stupid, which is why he is in the scouting report as to not to leave him alone/open even if he's not hitting his 3s at a high enough clip. That's what the word "GRAVITY" is used for. I don't even intend to be snarky here but you're literally trying to disprove what's actually going on lol

He highlites GD in the last chapter

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[Tripod]

It is crazy to me that people can watch Gradey this year and still glaze him. This is 16 min over 15 games....on/off is historically a stat that has a ton of noise in large samples. In small samples, it is utterly meaningless.

I mean pointing out statistical facts and drawing conclusion from those stats is not me glazing, it's us literally showing why the numbers correlate to impact and an eye test. If you think having gravity on the floor and a player in the other teams scouting report as "Don't let him get open" is meaningless, then that's a you problem, not us glazing anyone. No1 is saying 2025 GD is Klay Thompson or anything of the sort, just what he brings to the game for those 16mins are justified and warranted and absolutely needed.

Who's even glazing him? I think most of us that are a bit more positive on Gradey are just happy he hasn't been a liability like he was his first 2 seasons.

Yeah crazy how just pointing facts has triggered him...lol.

No one is saying any of those stats or rankings will continue. We also said his 3pt shooting still needs to he better.

But man, if a bench player is winning his minutes 14/15 games and has a TS% above league average, we SHOULD be happy with those results. And if he sucks like Walter has for most of the season, he will get negativity towards him. Both are young guys so ups and down are the norm. It's likely to continue as this year goes on.

[Reeko]

Gradey Dick is 7th in Defensive Rating. Just behind Cason Wallace and just ahead of Hartenstein. Who knew that we would draft a two way star with the 13th pick of the draft? He has been really special on the defensive end this season.

[JCP11]

Gradey Dick is 7th in Defensive Rating. Just behind Cason Wallace and just ahead of Hartenstein. Who knew that we would draft a two way star with the 13th pick of the draft? He has been really special on the defensive end this season.

Woah 7th? I knew he looked improved but that's a huge leap from last season. He's a lot stronger and makes a huge difference.

[tecumseh18]

The numbers mean nothing given the weakness of our opposition during this run. Let's revisit this after 30 games, or our January road trip.

[Tripod]

The numbers mean nothing given the weakness of our opposition during this run. Let's revisit this after 30 games, or our January road trip.

This stretch is all season.

14/15 games he has won his minutes and his only loss was -2.

And our schedule was one of the hardest to start the year.

[mademan]

I mean pointing out statistical facts and drawing conclusion from those stats is not me glazing, it's us literally showing why the numbers correlate to impact and an eye test. If you think having gravity on the floor and a player in the other teams scouting report as "Don't let him get open" is meaningless, then that's a you problem, not us glazing anyone. No1 is saying 2025 GD is Klay Thompson or anything of the sort, just what he brings to the game for those 16mins are justified and warranted and absolutely needed.

Who's even glazing him? I think most of us that are a bit more positive on Gradey are just happy he hasn't been a liability like he was his first 2 seasons.

Yeah crazy how just pointing facts has triggered him...lol.

No one is saying any of those stats or rankings will continue. We also said his 3pt shooting still needs to he better.

But man, if a bench player is winning his minutes 14/15 games and has a TS% above league average, we SHOULD be happy with those results. And if he sucks like Walter has for most of the season, he will get negativity towards him. Both are young guys so ups and down are the norm. It's likely to continue as this year goes on.

I get triggered by people using bad stats to advance poor arguments. On/off is awful, and in low minutes, absolutely meaningless

[PushDaRock]

Who's even glazing him? I think most of us that are a bit more positive on Gradey are just happy he hasn't been a liability like he was his first 2 seasons.

Yeah crazy how just pointing facts has triggered him...lol.

No one is saying any of those stats or rankings will continue. We also said his 3pt shooting still needs to he better.

But man, if a bench player is winning his minutes 14/15 games and has a TS% above league average, we SHOULD be happy with those results. And if he sucks like Walter has for most of the season, he will get negativity towards him. Both are young guys so ups and down are the norm. It's likely to continue as this year goes on.

I get triggered by people using bad stats to advance poor arguments. On/off is awful, and in low minutes, absolutely meaningless

It be like that sometimes

[HangTime]

I see Ja'Kobe as an Allstar level talent. Saw it last year, and I still see it.

He was inefficient scorer in college, because he was playing hurt, and people weren't encouraged by his defence.

He got here, and it was the opposite, though I really liked his offences process.

I think that's a sign of allstar. True 2 way player, just give him time to adjust to the added weight as well.

I think he can be on that Khris Middleton Level of player.


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Also, Ja'kobe playing with the 3rd unit in training camp tells me he's "more advanced" than the others off the bench, so that was a chance for him to get his "own unit" to run.

[dTox]

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Gradey was looking at the OP in every pic

[tecumseh18]

Good Cam Whitmore game alert!

20-7-2, on 10 shots in 18 minutes against the Bulls.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Good Cam Whitmore game alert!

20-7-2, on 10 shots in 18 minutes against the Bulls.

Cam is basically Kelly Oubre 2.0 so the Wizards seem like a reasonable place for him. He's going to be able to put up point totals on bad teams but the second he finds himself on a team that wants to win they won't want him dominating the ball so much and his game doesn't really work that way.

The numbers mean nothing given the weakness of our opposition during this run. Let's revisit this after 30 games, or our January road trip.

I don't think it's the weakness of the opposition so much that's the issue. So far this season they're pretty average for difficulty of schedule. The bigger thing is a lot of guys on that list are there more for playing their limited roles really well rather than being the best actual defenders.

With Gradey, his issue has always been conditioning since the day he was drafted. He gets worn out, his body breaks down a bit (was a serious issue last season after a great start), and then he isn't nearly as good. His conditioning has been improving with each passing season and if he can maintain it, he's going to be a regular top 7 player on teams thst win 50+ games year in and year out and a big part of that is his team defense/understanding is actually really good so long as his body allows him to act on it.

[Mak]

Both with great games today. Jakobe with a heat check today. Both will get way more playing time if RJ is out. Agbaji will probably start.

[hype_2004]

If these 2 guys were bad picks just give me your definition of a good pick