Are people lower on Cooper Flagg?

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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

Post#241 » by God Squad » Thu Nov 20, 2025 3:08 pm

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The early Cavs teams are at least somewhat comparable.

It's possible I'm just underestimating how dysfunctional this current Mavs team is..

True. The team was brutal, but LeBron could create for others. Because he is the most gifted player of his generation.


And I think that's a fact that kinda gets downplayed.
Wemby and Jokic besides LeBron might be the only players I could see who could will whatever the Mavs to win.

SGA could cook with this current Mavs team. This roster is not as bad as people think, IMO. It's just that Cooper can't score or be the playmaker in the way Luka can. But the roster is ill-fitted for Cooper Flag IMO.
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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

Post#242 » by basketballRob » Thu Nov 20, 2025 3:10 pm

JHFVF07 wrote:Funny how Gafford, PJ Washington and Marshall played a great role on a team that made the finals 2 years before...
They are good role players. If AD and Kyrie were both 100% healthy along with 18 year old Flagg, I think they would've been close to 50 wins.

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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

Post#243 » by basketballRob » Thu Nov 20, 2025 3:11 pm

God Squad wrote:
Appostis wrote:
maverick_41 wrote:True. The team was brutal, but LeBron could create for others. Because he is the most gifted player of his generation.


And I think that's a fact that kinda gets downplayed.
Wemby and Jokic besides LeBron might be the only players I could see who could will whatever the Mavs to win.

SGA could cook with this current Mavs team. This roster is not as bad as people think, IMO. It's just that Cooper can't score or be the playmaker in the way Luka can. But the roster is ill-fitted for Cooper Flag IMO.
Yeah, Flagg is around a year younger than Luka coming into the league. Flagg has the potential to score 25 ppg while being the DPOY. That's MVP potential.

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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

Post#244 » by The Master » Thu Nov 20, 2025 3:26 pm

maverick_41 wrote:True. The team was brutal, but LeBron could create for others. Because he is the most gifted player of his generation.
Yeah. Also, being on a pretty bad team is not extraordinary for top prospects, Flagg for now is just a role player offensively, he's not a facilitator nor a scorer with his current shooting splits, but let's wait how much he'll improve in the latter part of that season, this is will be much more representative of where he's as a prospect.

Btw people without a specific context probably don't get fully how much Melo and LeBron were great in their rookie seasons. Imagine a rookie scoring 24ppg on a playoff team in the West in 2026, and that's Carmelo, and imagine a player straight from high school averaging 24-6 with God-given athleticism, and that's LeBron. It was so interesting to see where did they go from there.
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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

Post#245 » by Appostis » Thu Nov 20, 2025 4:25 pm

God Squad wrote:
Appostis wrote:
maverick_41 wrote:True. The team was brutal, but LeBron could create for others. Because he is the most gifted player of his generation.


And I think that's a fact that kinda gets downplayed.
Wemby and Jokic besides LeBron might be the only players I could see who could will whatever the Mavs to win.

SGA could cook with this current Mavs team. This roster is not as bad as people think, IMO. It's just that Cooper can't score or be the playmaker in the way Luka can. But the roster is ill-fitted for Cooper Flag IMO.



They would be alright but that's about it.

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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

Post#246 » by RoxSteady » Thu Nov 20, 2025 4:36 pm

LOWER THE FLAGG!!! IS IT AT HALF MAST??? AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... I'll show myself out
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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

Post#247 » by zzaj » Thu Nov 20, 2025 4:44 pm

For me?

Every 10 years or so we get a generational, Top 50 player that puts up numbers and contributes to winning even as a rookie. We also get generational, Top 50 players who need a year or 2 to acclimate to the NBA--especially if they are sub-20 years old. We also get rookies that are going to be great players but need time and are given specific roles by coaches to not be overwhelmed by the transition to the NBA.

I see Flagg as in that second group. I never believed he would just come in and put up huge numbers that contribute to wins. I still believe he'll be a HOF player with a very long career if injuries are kind. He doesn't really have any real weaknesses...it'll be amazing to see how he develops in the lead up to his athletic prime in 6-7 years--which is kind of mind-boggling to think about.
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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

Post#248 » by Sweet Meat Lew » Thu Nov 20, 2025 4:45 pm

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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

Post#249 » by ballzboyee » Thu Nov 20, 2025 5:22 pm

The modern superstar is trending toward ball-dominant scorer while running the offense. The best three players in the league or Jokic/Shai/Luka and they are all offensive hubs, i.e. playmaker/primary option. Flagg strikes me as more of KG-level offensive game/athlete with the option that he can play a more modern stretch on the perimeter. Nobody is going to know his ceiling until Dallas figures out his natural position and role. I don't think he can be a hybrid perimeter player that sets up an offense. He's just too long. He has a Jaden McDaniels level wingspan and length. The physics are just not mathing. You have that high center of gravity with those long arms, you are going to struggle being an every possession primary ball handler. A 6'9" combo guard who dribbles straight ahead in the open court with his head down most of the time. That's just struggling. Get the ball to him in iso where he can one move and cut or pull-up using his size. Get him some plays where he's cutting to the basket in space off screens or clear out so he can finish with length and size. Still high on him. He's going to be really really good. Is he going to be Lebron James? Come on... man.
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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

Post#251 » by FrodoBaggins » Today 4:36 am

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Post#252 » by The4thHorseman » Today 4:58 am

He had s great 2nd half tonight with 12 in the 4th. Seems like he's starting to settle in nicely.
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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

Post#253 » by Nazrmohamed » Today 5:06 am

I watched his whole career at Duke and tbh never saw him as an nba primary option and I guess that sucks for a guy drafted 1st but how many others have been thought of a such and you discover later that arent that guy. Technically AD ain't that guy but statistically he can feign being one. So I look at Flagg like that, its just never that I thought he'd be and Im ok with that. He's a very talented player that any team would want and if he's a solid Robin then I'm ok with his draft look back. His draft was sortve weak
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Post#254 » by MrGoat » Today 5:50 am

Of the 33 players in NBA history who played in the NBA at under the age of 19 Cooper Flagg just became the first one to score more than double digit points in at least 12 consecutive appearances breaking LeBron James' record of 11, he still has a month left until he turns 19.
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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

Post#255 » by Duke4life831 » Today 5:52 am

Looks like he is adjusting. He’s looking really good out there and his 3pt shot still hasn’t started to fall
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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

Post#256 » by NCHeels2008 » Today 5:52 am

basketballRob wrote:
God Squad wrote:
Appostis wrote:
And I think that's a fact that kinda gets downplayed.
Wemby and Jokic besides LeBron might be the only players I could see who could will whatever the Mavs to win.

SGA could cook with this current Mavs team. This roster is not as bad as people think, IMO. It's just that Cooper can't score or be the playmaker in the way Luka can. But the roster is ill-fitted for Cooper Flag IMO.
Yeah, Flagg is around a year younger than Luka coming into the league. Flagg has the potential to score 25 ppg while being the DPOY. That's MVP potential.

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I think he tops out at 4th-6th best player in the league, Tatum-esque
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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

Post#257 » by FrodoBaggins » Today 5:58 am

Most promising is Cooper's downhill paint scoring. He's shot 43/63 on 2PT FGs over the last 6 games. That's 68.3% 2PT on 10.5 2pa/g. And most of that is unassisted (off-the-dribble) and in the half-court setting. 18/24 in the restricted area (RA), with a 61.1% unassisted rate. 19/26 in the non-RA paint, with a 68.4% unassisted rate. 6/13 on mid-range 2PT shots outside of the paint, with a 66.7% unassisted rate.

He looks to have a real touch in that non-RA paint area. His strong frame, great balance, quick two-footed leaping, and soft touch give me confidence that this is a real strength of his ability. He could be a real rim-pressure bull when he adds 15-20+ lbs and gets up to 240-245+. I can't think of any wing comparisons in this regard. Something between LBJ or a wing-sized Giannis, but off two feet. Like a taller, skinnier, less powerful Barkley.
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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

Post#258 » by OriAr » Today 6:05 am

He's gonna be better than Luka one day, especially when accounting for two way impact.
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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

Post#259 » by Rainwater » Today 6:39 am

Realgm overreacting again, kid will be fine
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Re: Are people lower on Cooper Flagg? 

Post#260 » by BigGargamel » Today 7:48 am

LOL, what a surprise. Took an 18 year old a bit to get going at the NBA level. He's going to be a stare.

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