Trade Talk (Part 18): Early Season Panic Edition

[BlacJacMac]

Again Dilly and TSJ would be available as trade value (you can send them wherever or keep them. Presumably they would want to load up on bad salary for assets. TSJ has some prospect value and Dilly has both prospect value and money attached. The point I was making is that Rollins will spend 3 years developing in the tank and making next to nothing and he will want money. But at that point he will be 26 and looking for serious cash. Maybe the Bucks say screw it and see how well he develops, or maybe they move on from him. The cornerstone was Gobert for Turner.

I get that you think Turner is the cornerstone, but IMO, its Rollins. A 23 year-old that could be Ant's running mate for the next decade.

But my other point is TSJ and Dilly aren't near enough value to get you Rollins.

Rudy > Turner. Rudy + Dilly + TSJ is < Turner and Rollins. What do you need to add to that equation to balance it?

I disagree with your math.

Rudy is definitely a better rebounder and a better defender.

Myles is still a really good defender and a much better offensive player.

Rudy is much harder to build around.

Turner makes significantly less money.

Rudy is 4 years older.

All things considered, they probably have similar value.

IF Rudy is better, its not nearly as much of a chasm as the one between Rollins and Dilly + TSJ.

Rollins looks like a young 2-way star at a premiere position. You're going to have to vastly overpay to get the Bucks to move him. Going from Turner to Gobert is not that vast overpay.

And again, I think outside of a Giannis for KAT/Bridges/whatever trade, I don't see the Bucks having any interest in Gobert. Definitely not if they're tanking like you suggest.

[winforlose]

I get that you think Turner is the cornerstone, but IMO, its Rollins. A 23 year-old that could be Ant's running mate for the next decade.

But my other point is TSJ and Dilly aren't near enough value to get you Rollins.

Rudy > Turner. Rudy + Dilly + TSJ is < Turner and Rollins. What do you need to add to that equation to balance it?

I disagree with your math.

Rudy is definitely a better rebounder and a better defender.

Myles is still a really good defender and a much better offensive player.

Rudy is much harder to build around.

Turner makes significantly less money.

Rudy is 4 years older.

All things considered, they probably have similar value.

IF Rudy is better, its not nearly as much of a chasm as the one between Rollins and Dilly + TSJ.

Rollins looks like a young 2-way star at a premiere position. You're going to have to vastly overpay to get the Bucks to move him. Going from Turner to Gobert is not that vast overpay.

And again, I think outside of a Giannis for KAT/Bridges/whatever trade, I don't see the Bucks having any interest in Gobert. Definitely not if they're tanking like you suggest.

How many times do I have say it, this includes 3 team trades with Rudy’s value paying for Turner and the 3rd team paying the Bucks. Or they could trade to stay competitive in which case Bridges/KAT/Rudy might intrigue the Bucks (though with the money I REALLY DOUBT IT.) Far more likely they blow it up, Rudy goes else where and they sell high on Turner.

As for your claim about Turner and Rudy’s relative value, Rudy has more short term win now value to some teams than Turner. Turner fits a style of play as does Rudy.

[shrink]

Not a sexy option but what about the idea of a deal based around DDV + filler(Miller + Ingles?) for Mitchell Robinson and Tyler Kolek?

Robinson is a stop gap expiring that solidifies the center rotation providing better defense than the Randle/Reid combo while being possibly the best rebounder in the league.

Kolek provides another natural point guard that sets the table and protects the ball while being more ready than Dilly at the moment and a better point guard than DDV. Doesn't solve the starting point guard issue but he is some I believe he could be a solid bench guard for years if given the opportunity when his jump shot comes around. Already one of the better passers I have seen in the league.

DiVincenzo seems comfortable in MIN finally, and is playing like he did as a starter for the Knicks. He’s #9 in three pointers in the NBA, and he provides a counterbalance on the floor, and on the cap sheet (two cheap years), for Rudy Gobert.

I’m not opposed to trading him back to the Knicks, but it would take a much better offer than this.

[Norseman79]

Here is the thing, if the trade we make isn't somehow going to bring in a proven starter, why make a trade?

[BlacJacMac]

Here is the thing, if the trade we make isn't somehow going to bring in a proven starter, why make a trade?

Because our bench kind of stinks?

[Norseman79]

Here is the thing, if the trade we make isn't somehow going to bring in a proven starter, why make a trade?

Because our bench kind of stinks?

You aren't wrong.
But....
Jaylen Clark is hitting around 38% from 3.
TSJ is bout 39% from 3.
(And neither of these two are being used great or with a viable point guard)
Naz Reid is evening out a bit lately.
...
So whose fault is the bench?

If DD, Rob or Randle can bring back a starting PG, a backup pg, and a back up 5 it makes sense.