Official Trade Thread Part XLVII

[popper]

I was pleased to see CK start at 2 before he was injured. He was outstanding IMO except for his average defense.

[Dark Faze]

Would anyone entertain Bilal for Jared McCain?

I don't feel particularly great about it but can see arguments for both sides...

Why do the Sixers make the trade? They need a defensive stopper?

It's a your trash for my trash kind of deal.

Both are players that have some potential to have value down the road but also have potential to lose a ton of value. I think Bilal's worst case scenario is a bit better than Jared's. He can still defend and has size and athleticism. Jared does absolutely nothing but score and is stuck behind two long term young starting guards. If he continues to look bad offensively, his value would be zero basically.

So for Philly: Get a player with similar boom/bust trajectory but at a position with more flexibility.
For us: Get a guy who showed a flash as a scoring guard.

It's a trade where you can see either side winning it or both sides just releasing both players at some point. Which is kind of the mark of a fair trade.

[payitforward]

I'm not exactly ready to call Bilal "trash."

[dckingsfan]

Would anyone entertain Bilal for Jared McCain?

I don't feel particularly great about it but can see arguments for both sides...

Why do the Sixers make the trade? They need a defensive stopper?

It's a your trash for my trash kind of deal.

Both are players that have some potential to have value down the road but also have potential to lose a ton of value. I think Bilal's worst case scenario is a bit better than Jared's. He can still defend and has size and athleticism. Jared does absolutely nothing but score and is stuck behind two long term young starting guards. If he continues to look bad offensively, his value would be zero basically.

So for Philly: Get a player with similar boom/bust trajectory but at a position with more flexibility.
For us: Get a guy who showed a flash as a scoring guard.

It's a trade where you can see either side winning it or both sides just releasing both players at some point. Which is kind of the mark of a fair trade.

Interesting and I see where you are coming from.

I would rather put my efforts into Tre and Riley. I think they have more upside (opinion) and McCain would kind of mung up the works.

Also, having a player like Bilal next to Tre and Riley is a "nicer" balance, IMO.

[Dark Faze]

Trash was too strong a word for sure. Project for project swap.

I agree that the more I think about it the less interested I am...but two weeks from now Jared might have a string of very strong games and change my mind lol. That's just how it is.

[9 and 20]

Bulls looking for help this year. Could we send them Kispert and Cam and get back a first?

[dckingsfan]

Bulls looking for help this year. Could we send them Kispert and Cam and get back a first?

I would love that... or SRPs. But I think we have to take contracts back?

Waddya thinkin'?

[9 and 20]

Bulls looking for help this year. Could we send them Kispert and Cam and get back a first?

I would love that... or SRPs. But I think we have to take contracts back?

Waddya thinkin'?

Okoro and Jalen Smith both make about 10 mil this year and next. Zach Collins makes 18 and expires this year. I think we could work something out. Maybe add some of our seconds going their way if needed.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If Cam Whitmore is not working out months from now, before the trade deadline, Whitmore and Branham (exp) for Jalen Smith would work.

I think Jalen would be an ideal high character veteran, like Kispert and Champagnie are.

[gambitx777]

I think we can maybe get in on some of this janis or AD shananagans. We have contracts I think we can take advantage.

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[Hibachi_0]

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The picks aren't thtat good I think, if I'm not mistaken the GSW one is 1-20 protected and the other the worst from BOS, MIL or POR?.The only question is, would we win too many games this season? I don't think enough to jeopardize the pick, I believe we are a bottom 4 team either way.

[pcbothwel]

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The picks aren't thtat good I think, if I'm not mistaken the GSW one is 1-20 protected and the other the worst from BOS, MIL or POR?.The only question is, would we win too many games this season? I don't think enough to jeopardize the pick, I believe we are a bottom 4 team either way.

Not at all interested.
1) As you said, this jeopardizes our pick position for no real reason. Remember, NOP, LAC, Kings, Hornets, Mavs and Jazz were NOT planning to tank this year. So they still have productive assets to sell off if they choose to do so and they could really bottom out.
2) Compounding that issue it filling the PG spot then makes taking Brown/Flemming an issue. I want ZERO limitations on who we pick other than Sarr
3) The opportunity for taking Fox at his salary limits our flexibility. Not sure I want a 31/32 y/o guard relying on speed making ~60M/year

If we hit on Sarr/KG/Tre/2026 pick, then we will be a playoff team with a young core in a couple years. We will need those picks in 2029/2030 to get the final piece and would like to hold on for now.

[nate33]

I'm just not interested in Fox. Fox is 28. I think the history of athletic non-shooting PG's as they approach their 30's is pretty grim. Fox has never been efficient (career TS% of .558) or a good shooter (career 3P% of .333) and I don't think that's going to get better as he loses a step athletically. And he is under contract at $55M a year for the next 4 years which is awful pricey for a guy who only made one All-Star game in his career.

I actually think he will be a negative value contract in the very near future and San Antonio might have to attach assets to him to unload him. I sure as hell am not giving up two (albeit lousy) FRP's and Champagnie for him.

The PG I'd be targeting right now is Topic from OKC. There's no way OKC can pay everyone and Topic seems like a guy who is totally unneeded on their roster. My dream scenario would be for OKC to give us Topic as incentive to absorb Caruso's 3-year $63M contract. Maybe we give them the fake GSW 2030 pick to make it look good. But ultimately, OKC needs to unload Caruso in order to have the 2nd Apron room to retain Hartenstein and Dort. And not many teams have the cap room and tax flexibility to absorb Caruso's deal.

[pcbothwel]

nate. I dont see OKC paying to dump Caruso after just signing him and then using that money to resign Dort.
To me, to most obvious deal is the pick swap with our OKC pick. If you look at all the teams picking from 21-30, we are the only 'sellers' that would be willing to part with talent to move up in the draft

[nate33]

nate. I dont see OKC paying to dump Caruso after just signing him and then using that money to resign Dort.
To me, to most obvious deal is the pick swap with our OKC pick. If you look at all the teams picking from 21-30, we are the only 'sellers' that would be willing to part with talent to move up in the draft

Go look at my post in the Discussing Other Teams' Moves thread. Basically, OKC can't keep all 3 of Caruso, Dort and Hartenstein. Not unless they are willing to pay Golden State Warriors type of luxtax fees. They can keep 2 of them next year, and only 1 of them beyond that.

I think it's a no-brainer that Hartenstein is the most important of the 3. And Dort's team option lines up nicely for them to keep him one more year and then let him walk. So it makes a ton of sense to move Caruso this summer. Otherwise, they are effectively paying Caruso $80M a year (counting luxtax fees) to be a part time player on a team that already has Dort, Wallace and Ajay to fill the same role.

[doclinkin]

Topic, ok. I wish there was a way to steal Isaiah Joe instead.

[doclinkin]

Topic, ok. I wish there was a way to steal Isaiah Joe instead.

[pcbothwel]

nate. I dont see OKC paying to dump Caruso after just signing him and then using that money to resign Dort.
To me, to most obvious deal is the pick swap with our OKC pick. If you look at all the teams picking from 21-30, we are the only 'sellers' that would be willing to part with talent to move up in the draft

Go look at my post in the Discussing Other Teams' Moves thread. Basically, OKC can't keep all 3 of Caruso, Dort and Hartenstein. Not unless they are willing to pay Golden State Warriors type of luxtax fees. They can keep 2 of them next year, and only 1 of them beyond that.

I think it's a no-brainer that Hartenstein is the most important of the 3. And Dort's team option lines up nicely for them to keep him one more year and then let him walk. So it makes a ton of sense to move Caruso this summer. Otherwise, they are effectively paying Caruso $80M a year (counting luxtax fees) to be a part time player on a team that already has Dort, Wallace and Ajay to fill the same role.

Right... But to me, Dort and Caruso are roughly interchangeable. So why pay to move Caruso at 19M, just to retain Dort at 18M.
Would it not make more sense to just let Dort walk and keep Topic? They can let Dort and Kenrich walk ($25M), resign Hartenstein to a cheaper deal, and maybe move one of Joe/Wiggins.
They will be able to bring back everyone else, rookies included, and stay under the 2nd apron.

[nate33]

nate. I dont see OKC paying to dump Caruso after just signing him and then using that money to resign Dort.
To me, to most obvious deal is the pick swap with our OKC pick. If you look at all the teams picking from 21-30, we are the only 'sellers' that would be willing to part with talent to move up in the draft

Go look at my post in the Discussing Other Teams' Moves thread. Basically, OKC can't keep all 3 of Caruso, Dort and Hartenstein. Not unless they are willing to pay Golden State Warriors type of luxtax fees. They can keep 2 of them next year, and only 1 of them beyond that.

I think it's a no-brainer that Hartenstein is the most important of the 3. And Dort's team option lines up nicely for them to keep him one more year and then let him walk. So it makes a ton of sense to move Caruso this summer. Otherwise, they are effectively paying Caruso $80M a year (counting luxtax fees) to be a part time player on a team that already has Dort, Wallace and Ajay to fill the same role.

Right... But to me, Dort and Caruso are roughly interchangeable. So why pay to move Caruso at 19M, just to retain Dort at 18M.
Would it not make more sense to just let Dort walk and keep Topic? They can let Dort and Kenrich walk ($25M), resign Hartenstein to a cheaper deal, and maybe move one of Joe/Wiggins.
They will be able to bring back everyone else, rookies included, and stay under the 2nd apron.

Because that only buys them one year. They will still run into a ton of problems in 2027 with Caruso still on the books and they will have to move him then anyhow. Why not just move him now and keep Dort for one more year? The bottom line is that Caruso's salary becomes untenable once SGA gets his supermax. A team with a supermax contract and two other max contracts just can't afford to pay $21M a year to a guy who plays 1200 minutes. Caruso has to go by Summer 2027 at the latest.

Also, I think Dort is more important than Caruso because he is a workhorse who can log heavy minutes.

[payitforward]

I'm just not interested in Fox. ...

Me neither & for all the reasons you go on to list.

The PG I'd be targeting right now is Topic from OKC. There's no way OKC can pay everyone and Topic seems like a guy who is totally unneeded on their roster. My dream scenario would be for OKC to give us Topic as incentive to absorb Caruso's 3-year $63M contract. Maybe we give them the fake GSW 2030 pick to make it look good. But ultimately, OKC needs to unload Caruso in order to have the 2nd Apron room to retain Hartenstein and Dort. And not many teams have the cap room and tax flexibility to absorb Caruso's deal.

Great stuff, nate!
I don't know what might really work here, but it's hard to believe Will hasn't had some kind of conversation with Presti along these lines.