Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV

[HMFFL]

Maybe you need to read the room? My guess is that everyone in the room knew exactly what CP was saying and that they were all in silent agreement, but in shock that he actually said it. Would have loved to have been in that room

You forgetting his current position. He's on a minimum contract. His job is to only add value, not cause any issues

So he should just shut up and dribble? Players and paople have the right to speak up, even in an employment environment. CP got released from probably the most toxic team situation in the league and he clearly said his piece on the way out. Nothing unjustified about calling out Kawhi and the Clips in general

The Clippers don't owe Chris Paul anything is how I view it. He only signed with the Clippers because they're the hometown team. The guy has been an overrated journeyman for years.

[tbhawksfan1]

You forgetting his current position. He's on a minimum contract. His job is to only add value, not cause any issues

So he should just shut up and dribble? Players and paople have the right to speak up, even in an employment environment. CP got released from probably the most toxic team situation in the league and he clearly said his piece on the way out. Nothing unjustified about calling out Kawhi and the Clips in general

The Clippers don't owe Chris Paul anything is how I view it. He only signed with the Clippers because they're the hometown team. The guy has been an overrated journeyman for years.

Think beyond hierarchy and maybe you'll see another perspective

[HMFFL]

So he should just shut up and dribble? Players and paople have the right to speak up, even in an employment environment. CP got released from probably the most toxic team situation in the league and he clearly said his piece on the way out. Nothing unjustified about calling out Kawhi and the Clips in general

The Clippers don't owe Chris Paul anything is how I view it. He only signed with the Clippers because they're the hometown team. The guy has been an overrated journeyman for years.

Think beyond hierarchy and maybe you'll see another perspective

6 seasons and 16 games with the Clips. They don't owe Chris anything.

[HMFFL]

Shams' Inside Pass: Trade buzz on Anthony Davis, Giannis, more



Anthony Davis of the Dallas Mavericks, another former NBA champion, is expected to be a critical trade target of several teams, including many of the East's contenders. The Detroit Pistons, Atlanta Hawks and Toronto Raptors are expected to be suitors for Davis, league sources told ESPN.

The Mavericks are open to exploring the trade markets for Davis, center Daniel Gafford and guards Klay Thompson and D'Angelo Russell, sources said. Davis' agent, Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul, has met with Mavericks interim co-general managers Michael Finley and Matt Riccardi, and requested clarity about whether the franchise wants to extend Davis in the offseason or trade him ahead of the deadline. Finley and Riccardi accepted the message and stated the franchise wants to keep its options open and view how the team plays for the next few weeks. They have not ruled out the possibility of an extension.

The Pistons (19-5), Raptors (15-10) and Hawks (14-11) represent high-level threats in their conference and are having seasons that give hope that a player like Davis -- a 10-time All-Star who has spent his entire career in the Western Conference -- can elevate them into a viable championship-quality team.

Davis, who turns 33 in March, will become eligible Aug. 6 to sign up to a four-year, $275 million max extension. The extension would pay him $76 million in his age-37 season. Without an extension, he can be a free agent in 2027 if he declines his $62.8 million player option that offseason.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/47245704/shams-pass-nba-trade-deadline-notes-news-buzz-anthony-davis-giannis-antetokounmpo-teams

[Rebound Mound]

I love the roster we have. I see it has room to improve, it being through trades or with patience and player development.
The weakest spots I can identify at this moment are the SF start position and the PG and SF bench positions. While I like Krejci, I believe the level of Risacher kind of forces us to look for upgrades.
We could also think that JJ, OO, Daniels, Newell, Gueye and even Alexander-Walker have a lot of room to evolve and so we can wait and see the development of Risacher.
With the step forward that OO, JJ and Gueye, each at a different level, has reached this year, I believe we are 1/2 years away from being a really good, good team.
Would it be too late for KP or even Trae. Should we keep them in order to succed?

I am completely against a trade for AD.
I could be open to find ways to trade for Giannis, but I would not touch JJ, KP, OO or KP. Neither Nickeil. If the Bucks want to take Trae and one pick in 2026, that is fine.
I believe Giannis does not fit our timeline, but also think that stars like him could come to Atlanta under very particular circumstances. If you have the possibility or getting him, you have to. But I do not like shortcuts. Giannis could take us even to the Finals, even 3 straight years while the East is as it is now. But does it mean a shot to the tittle. Probably not. Does it mean JJ has to play out of position? Or is he going to be a bench player?
Uff, terrible situation...

[Rebound Mound]

If this is the final roster while trading for Antetokoumnpo, then let's do it.

Daniels
Alexander-Walker
JJ
Giannis
KP
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Wallace
Kennard
Krejci
Gueye
OO

[dms269]

I believe Giannis does not fit our timeline, but also think that stars like him could come to Atlanta under very particular circumstances. If you have the possibility or getting him, you have to. But I do not like shortcuts. Giannis could take us even to the Finals, even 3 straight years while the East is as it is now. But does it mean a shot to the tittle. Probably not. Does it mean JJ has to play out of position? Or is he going to be a bench player?
Uff, terrible situation...

The problem with trading for Giannis is the very big risk of him opting out after a year and a half. Yes the money won't be the same, but he can always force a trade to a preferred team. If that is the case, and you unloaded a bunch talent and picks, you are in a terrible situation like you are with so many teams now, deciding whether to limp it or or continue trading future picks to hopefully get some more pieces. I don't see how Giannis makes us a title team with SO many holes this team has.

[Rebound Mound]

Well, I do not think we have a team with many holes.
Just a few.
Inexpirience or lack of time playing together could be the most important one.

[Jamaaliver]

I'm overall pretty conflicted on trading for Giannis.

Spoiler:

Giannis to Atlanta trade built around Jalen Johnson:

Bucks get:
Jalen Johnson
Kristaps Porzingis (expiring)
Asa Newell
2026 Cavaliers 1st Round pick
2027 Bucks 1st Round Pick

Hawks get:
Giannis

But i do believe that GA + TY, DD, NAW, OO, top-4 selection in 2026

is indeed a contender...for a few more seasons.

Giannis is a top-4 player in the world right now.
Elite scorer, impactful defender.
Combine that with Atlanta's shooting, perimeter defense, coaching and depth and that is likely the best team in the East this season.

It would be a gamble, though -- like when Raptors traded for Kawhi in 2019.

I believe Giannis does not fit our timeline, but also think that stars like him could come to Atlanta under very particular circumstances.

But does it mean a shot to the title.

...I don't see how Giannis makes us a title team with SO many holes this team has.

Well, I do not think we have a team with many holes.

[jayu70]

I'm overall pretty conflicted on trading for Giannis.

Spoiler:

Giannis to Atlanta trade built around Jalen Johnson:

Bucks get:
Jalen Johnson
Kristaps Porzingis (expiring)
Asa Newell
2026 Cavaliers 1st Round pick
2027 Bucks 1st Round Pick

Hawks get:
Giannis

But i do believe that GA + TY, DD, NAW, OO, top-4 selection in 2026

is indeed a contender...for a few more seasons.

Giannis is a top-4 player in the world right now.
Elite scorer, impactful defender.
Combine that with Atlanta's shooting, perimeter defense, coaching and depth and that is likely the best team in the East this season.

It would be a gamble, though -- like when Raptors traded for Kawhi in 2019.

I believe Giannis does not fit our timeline, but also think that stars like him could come to Atlanta under very particular circumstances.

But does it mean a shot to the title.

...I don't see how Giannis makes us a title team with SO many holes this team has.

Well, I do not think we have a team with many holes.

I hear you. I feel the same.
The Toronto/Kawhi situation is referenced often, but for me it doesn't quite line up.
Toronto was a team that was an easy fit for Kawhi, they had experienced players, were perennially in the playoffs for 5 consecutive years prior with varying success. The collective NBA experience of guys like Gasol, Lowry, Serge etc pales in comparison to what and where the Hawks are at this point in time.
We have to carefully consider if we are mortgaging our long term future for a win now move, but ask how much and what kind of 'winning'

[Jamaaliver]

I'm overall pretty conflicted on trading for Giannis.

But i do believe that GA + TY, DD, NAW, OO, top-4 selection in 2026

is indeed a contender...for a few more seasons.

I hear you. I feel the same.

The Toronto/Kawhi situation is referenced often, but for me it doesn't quite line up.
Toronto was a team that was an easy fit for Kawhi, they had experienced players, were perennially in the playoffs for 5 consecutive years prior with varying success.

We have to carefully consider if we are mortgaging our long term future for a win now move, but ask how much and what kind of 'winning'

This is wise counsel, Jaybird.

I do think that if we can get GA while keeping Zacch, Dyson, OO and the Pelicans 2026 pick...we can still maintain our future leaning approach while contending this year.




But giving up JJ in trade would be hard...

[Geaux_Hawks]

You absolutely do not trade for Giannis, and that's with respect to how good Giannis is as well. Giannis is a player you have to build specifically around. You don't just add him to a mix where he's creating a lot of overlap(JJ).

You definitely don't do it by mortgaging your future for a short window. We may not have an absolute 1:1 match in terms of talent, but we've got plenty to work with without giving up the future. If anything, we need to be evaluating what we have with Trae Young playing with the current group before we decide it's time to make a big trade.

[Rebound Mound]

If we trade for Giannis, the Bucks would want JJ. And giving it a deep thought, it does not make sense to have both. Both are PFs.
Giannis is 31. JJ is 23. 8 years.
Do we think we can get to the Finals with this Eastern Conference where no team seems to be strong enough this year as to be a clear favourite?

I believe the question is really difficult. But JJ can shoot and pass, plays great against zone defenses and can create more and more each day. He is good at free throws. Giannis lacks any kind of three touch and is below average in FTs.
As explained by Jayu, he needs po, altsitional three point shooters around.
But we could say Milwaukee won a tittle just a few years ago with a similar roster than the one we have now: López (KP), Middleton (Nickeil) and a much shorter rotation than the one we could have...