PG: BENCH MOB COMES UP HUGE!!!

[MEDIC]

Funniest thing was Lowry putting up 4/4/5 in a random January game wasn’t that abnormal, and everyone lost their minds about it back then to lol

Scottie will start getting passes too for those kind of games if this team ever becomes a consistent winner

Lowry was always playing smart tho and being a dog on defence. He just played the game the right way (almost to a fault when he would defer instead of just being selfish).

Barnes is sometimes just deferring when he should be aggressive and being aggressive when he should defer.

But it’s hard to really harp on anyone for not being Lowry. Dude was one of the smartest players I’ve ever seen

I had no problem with the games Lowry struggled to score. I can't think of any game where I thought "Lowry was completely useless out there". Bad scoring games happen. He always brought defense, intelligent play, intensity & leadership.

My only.knock on Lowry was early on he showed some emotional immaturity issues (kinda similar to Barnes), but he matured as time went on. I still appreciated the hell out of the guy though, because I was so tired of watching Calderon rolling out the red carpet for anyone driving to the rim & his cheesy clap closeouts. I was not a Calderon fan. Nice guy, but I was not a fan of his lack of intensity on the court.

I don't mind it when players have scoring stuggles, but they have to play with intensity & physicality on the other end. If a player isn't doing that, they lose me pretty quickley. That's why I rarely complain about Shead.

[MEDIC]

CMB +18, IQ -18, both played 25 minutes.

IQ was drunk or something. He had one "floater" that went 100mph off the backboard.

He was also getting blown by constantly on defense.

I have come to the conclusion that Quick is Malik Monk Light without the athleticism . He makes bad reads, not consistent with the ball, lost on Dand just bad PG

I thought he would progress to be decent with the ball and not make turnovers but I think he doesn’t process the game well

If we can move his contract for a useful player we have to do it
RJ can play but we need a true PG and another solid big
Roll the Dice on Quick for Ball or if Cleveland prefers a shooter beside Mitchell are they will to switch for garland ?

I would even consider doing it for an expiring......just to get off the contract. 35 million is far too much for the level of production. The length of the contract is the bigger problem.

[MEDIC]

IQ looking more and more like a 6th man every day.

I would be interested in a trade Sugg for IQ; then with either Shead or Jalen as the starter.
IQ will not accept a 6th man role here, he cant. However if traded to ORL and with Black on the rise..He might have to accept that role on another team.

Our PG needs to be able to defend the POA at a high-level.

I was thinking this exact same.thing last night. I really like how Suggs plays.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Our PG play this year has been one of the pillars of this team. I think it's just the typical fan fussiness over how a team should be run. We don't have elite guards, but both Shead and IQ are positive players that can play together. You give IQ a screen setting big and he looks much better. He hasn't been able to develop a 2 man game with Scottie since he's been here, and that has compromised the 'vision' that they invested in.

[MEDIC]

CMB somehow our best player with only 3 points. Such a difference maker not just rebounding and defense but also working Carter who was destroying us in the P&Pop into foul trouble with excellent positionin

CMB was playing his azz off. Undersized, but battling so hard. He was a difference maker for sure. I really appreciated what he brought to the table last night. He must have been motived by Scotties performance. I think it was his best game.

Shead needs to start and bring Quickley off the bench as super sub

I agree. I think it would make the team stronger........that contract though...

[Los_29]

Do people realize that Shead's TS% is like 49%? That is dreadful especially for someone that doesn't have a specialized skill out there. IQ is way better and a significantly better fit in the lineup given his shooting ability. Wanting Shead to play over IQ is literally absurd. lol.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Do people realize that Shead's TS% is like 49%? That is dreadful especially for someone that doesn't have a specialized skill out there. IQ is way better and a significantly better fit in the lineup given his shooting ability. Wanting Shead to play over IQ is literally absurd. lol.

I don't want to take away anything from Shead, who does well with limited scoring ability. But IQ has been the best player at any meaningful usage in the clutch for us this year, and we're one of the very worst clutch offenses in the league. IQ on a good day will always be the preferred closing line-up guy. He was just really bad in this one and Darko made a good decision.

This is a message board and people need to hype up their favourites, but they all know that the ball being kicked out to the perimeter off an Ingram or Scottie double team would be better off in Quickley's hands over Jamal's.

We can have two good players that play the same position. It's not a problem.

[SFour]

Do people realize that Shead's TS% is like 49%? That is dreadful especially for someone that doesn't have a specialized skill out there. IQ is way better and a significantly better fit in the lineup given his shooting ability. Wanting Shead to play over IQ is literally absurd. lol.

IQ hate is a bit overblown especially considering he was a big reason that they just beat the Warriors, 27 points and 5/10 from 3pt.....he just needs to be more consistent, don't want him to be a hot/cold player.

Moving Shead to starter makes sense if Raptors make a big trade to upgrade the center position...lets say they trade a IQ+Poeltl package. But then Raptors will need to fill the backup PG spot.

[NoBias]

CMB has 16 OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS in the last two games. He also had two disgusting blocks on Bane. Offensively he was absolutely horrendous; if that touch around the basket is what it’s supposed to be, we have a stud.

[LoveMyRaps]

Do people realize that Shead's TS% is like 49%? That is dreadful especially for someone that doesn't have a specialized skill out there. IQ is way better and a significantly better fit in the lineup given his shooting ability. Wanting Shead to play over IQ is literally absurd. lol.

IQ hate is a bit overblown especially considering he was a big reason that they just beat the Warriors, 27 points and 5/10 from 3pt.....he just needs to be more consistent, don't want him to be a hot/cold player.

Moving Shead to starter makes sense if Raptors make a big trade to upgrade the center position...lets say they trade a IQ+Poeltl package. But then Raptors will need to fill the backup PG spot.

Yeah IQ hate is definitely overblown. He still has a 1.4 BPM which is the second highest out of the starters I believe.

His inconsistency is what's killing his rep. He's either been really good or really bad. No in-between.

4 points last night. But 27 and 25 the previous two games.

I think he'll benefit with RJ in the lineup.

In the 18 games the pair have played together this year, IQ's shooting splits are 47/40/81.

In the 15 games without RJ, IQ's shooting splits are 40/31/81

Night & day difference.

[djsunyc]

He's just been so steady and reliable, it's just so easy to talk about our starters and our younger guys and forget about him. One of our best FA signings in recent memory.

18/8/3 per36 while sporting a 64 TS% and being pretty solid defensively. He has had about 4 or 5 bad games with at least as many great games while the remaining ~20 have been good. Just very solid overall and we couldn’t ask for anything more than he has given us thus far.

He is going to get biyombo'd in the offseason for sure.

biyombo got biyomboed because he had a monster post season run in conjunction with a massive cap spike. right now sandro is a mle at the most

[Son Goku 25]

Personally I don't hate IQ. I can see his value, I've said it before I think we just have a bunch of misfits on the team. He's also playing a bit out of position but he is a threat you can't leave open which we desperately need. He can swing a game in our favor.

Having said that, I think many fans including myself have been a bit spoiled watching Lowry operate as lead guard and was a two way leader which will be hard to replace. iQs contract is also not great for someone that should be more consistent. I think it's on FO to find the right fits and not our problem how much or how they spend the money.

[Tha Cynic]

Scottie will start getting passes too for those kind of games if this team ever becomes a consistent winner

Lowry was always playing smart tho and being a dog on defence. He just played the game the right way (almost to a fault when he would defer instead of just being selfish).

Barnes is sometimes just deferring when he should be aggressive and being aggressive when he should defer.

But it’s hard to really harp on anyone for not being Lowry. Dude was one of the smartest players I’ve ever seen

We are seeing a bit more of those Lowry winning type plays from him this season, it's a slow process with him though.

Lowry was probably up there with LeBron in Basketball IQ. I've never seen anyone execute a 2 for 1 better than him.

Actually he pretty much always makes great plays all game and has been doing it for years. His one fault is not being aggressive enough trying to score, which Lowry used to do all the time also. Big difference is Lowry had a 3 point shot that was pretty consistent.

We’re not seeing “a bit more” - Barnes is essentially elite at doing all the right things other than scoring. I’m not sure why some of you just don’t want t to acknowledge that lol. Dude plays for the team you cheer for. I always said I hope he develops into a Garnett type who was more of a secondary third option. His offence still isn’t there though in terms of being a great mid range guy who tries to score more consistently.

[Tha Cynic]

Told you guys - this should have been an easy win. We need a new coach lol

Now have CMB work on his offense and this guy will be something

I’m thinking that first sentence is a green font.

Second night of a back to back and our bench got us the win. Heck yeah.

Nope, we should not be losing to a team who’s lead by Paolo Banchero. Maybe if Wagner and Suggs were playing I would say it was a tough game while missing RJ and Poeltl.

We got behind because for some reason we always go down early (coaching preparation). Then they missed a bunch of open and easy layups and Orlando was killing us offensively which should not happen. Orlando is not a good offensive team. Then Darko threw out some dumb lineups and did his stupid set time substitutions. Everything got better in the second half including Darko.

[Tha Cynic]

Wagner has been their best player while Suggs is their engine like mini Lowry. Magic would clearly be favored against us in a series if the rosters stay intact.

clearly how, we have a 19ppg missing SG and our starting C. We've been the better team this entire szn so far, definitely a toss up & I like my Raps

Their missing pieces are MUCH better than our missing pieces. They also made an "all in" move, which is a big reason why theyre better right now. We shouldn't be insecure to admit other teams are better than us currently lol

I think it’s more insecure to not admit the Raptors are a great team when healthy. I think the Raptors are better with a healthy Poeltl and RJ. Wagner kind of takes a backseat when Banchero is playing, but would be an interesting series. Equal reffing and I’m confident in a 7 game series.

[Tor_Raps]

clearly how, we have a 19ppg missing SG and our starting C. We've been the better team this entire szn so far, definitely a toss up & I like my Raps

Their missing pieces are MUCH better than our missing pieces. They also made an "all in" move, which is a big reason why theyre better right now. We shouldn't be insecure to admit other teams are better than us currently lol

I think it’s more insecure to not admit the Raptors are a great team when healthy. I think the Raptors are better with a healthy Poeltl and RJ. Wagner kind of takes a backseat when Banchero is playing, but would be an interesting series. Equal reffing and I’m confident in a 7 game series.

I think we're a good team but far from a great team. I dont many expect us to make it past the 1st round of the playoffs even in a super weak East. Im expecting Cleveland and Orlando to make a big run around the allstar break.

[Tha Cynic]

Their missing pieces are MUCH better than our missing pieces. They also made an "all in" move, which is a big reason why theyre better right now. We shouldn't be insecure to admit other teams are better than us currently lol

I think it’s more insecure to not admit the Raptors are a great team when healthy. I think the Raptors are better with a healthy Poeltl and RJ. Wagner kind of takes a backseat when Banchero is playing, but would be an interesting series. Equal reffing and I’m confident in a 7 game series.

I think we're a good team but far from a great team. I dont many expect us to make it past the 1st round of the playoffs even in a super weak East. Im expecting Cleveland and Orlando to make a big run around the allstar break.

If all these teams are healthy, Cleveland is definitely best, but I don’t see Orlando as a better team. They’re in the same tier as Toronto imo.

[T_saurus]

Shead-heads better than Dickheads

[ForeverTFC]

Do people realize that Shead's TS% is like 49%? That is dreadful especially for someone that doesn't have a specialized skill out there. IQ is way better and a significantly better fit in the lineup given his shooting ability. Wanting Shead to play over IQ is literally absurd. lol.

IQ hate is overblown and somewhat irrational. Though part of it comes from how Darko/the team uses him. He needs to be a scorer first and foremost, but they put a lot more emphasis on his playmaking which exposes a lot of the holes in his game. They did the same thing when they tried to shove Scottie as a PG down our throats.

[Tha Cynic]

IQ was drunk or something. He had one "floater" that went 100mph off the backboard.

He was also getting blown by constantly on defense.

I have come to the conclusion that Quick is Malik Monk Light without the athleticism . He makes bad reads, not consistent with the ball, lost on Dand just bad PG

I thought he would progress to be decent with the ball and not make turnovers but I think he doesn’t process the game well

If we can move his contract for a useful player we have to do it
RJ can play but we need a true PG and another solid big
Roll the Dice on Quick for Ball or if Cleveland prefers a shooter beside Mitchell are they will to switch for garland ?

Some recency bias going on here. IQ is sporting a 3.5 AST/TO ratio (which is just outside the top 10 among qualified players) and a 28 AST% which is pretty much right in line with guys like Murray, Brunson, Fox, Maxey, etc. He is not a bad PG by any means. Pretty average when it comes to playmaking and defence, but he has a lot more potential scoring the ball that we just haven’t maximized because we’ve been asking him to run the offence a bit more frequently. Ideally, he’s a 20/5/5 kind of guy that takes 8-10 threes per game while being a decent defender.

He’s not the guy you want running the team when you want to win, which is why Shead has been closing out games. We need to unlock his shooting more and have him handle the ball less. He is very bad at processing the game - can’t make simple obvious passes and misses very obvious plays.

He protects the ball well, which is something. I think Bobby needs to he is another PG so we can run Shead and IQ in tandem more and most completely play IQ as a 2 guard.

Do people realize that Shead's TS% is like 49%? That is dreadful especially for someone that doesn't have a specialized skill out there. IQ is way better and a significantly better fit in the lineup given his shooting ability. Wanting Shead to play over IQ is literally absurd. lol.

IQ hate is overblown and somewhat irrational. Though part of it comes from how Darko/the team uses him. He needs to be a scorer first and foremost, but theyj put a lot more emphasis on his playmaking which exposes a lot of the holes in his game. They did the same thing when they tried to shove Scottie as a PG down our throats.

It probably says more about how IQ processes the game when people would rather have a guy with a 49% TS running the point. People thinking IQ isn’t a PG doesn’t mean people don’t think IQ is a good player or that Shead is a better player. IQ is definite better player by far and he is a very good player in general. But he is not a PG and that will need to be addressed eventually. Darko is mitigating it by playing Shead and IQ together which is our best option right now. Shead is in his best role as a backup PG.