Since Barrett’s injury Raptors offensive rating has plummeted to last in the league

[YogurtProducer]

The answer is not that complicated, but you are complicating or conflicting yourself.

If you believe the drop off is not due to 3 point shooting, then we dont need more 3 point shooting. You just proofed my point.

Do you even read..? Like actually I am questioning this, because you seem to interpret posts the complete opposite of what they actually say.

I said a big reason of the drop of WAS 3 point shooting, and that a significant reason why our offence came to a halt was because no one could hit a 3. How the hell did you get to the conclusion I said the opposite?

Because it was Barrett making others shooting well from 3s, and before the injury, we were top 6 in 3 point shooting. That suggested our need is not an elite shooter.

If Barrett was irrelevant in making the extra 3 point per game, and we need an elite shooter, then you are disagreeing the drop of our efficiency was due to Barrett (disagree to this thread).

If you still dont understand, I will tell you straight. It was not because no one can shoot the 3 as you said, but Barrett took the attention off and allow 3s to be shot at their spot, and you dont need an elite shooter when others can shoot at their comfortable spot, and I rather we double down on the rim pressure, instead of elite 3 point shooting.

Barrett was making others shoot well…? That actually is a hot take.

Take IQ for example, he’s missing wide open catch and shoot shots. What does RJ do that makes him make those vs miss when they’re the same wide open catch and shoot looks?

How was Barrett making bench players shoot better? Was his towel waiving when he was resting that good?

[tsherkin]

Barrett was making others shoot well…? That actually is a hot take.

Take IQ for example, he’s missing wide open catch and shoot shots. What does RJ do that makes him make those vs miss when they’re the same wide open catch and shoot looks?

How was Barrett making bench players shoot better? Was his towel waiving when he was resting that good?

I can understand the notional argument that RJ's off-ball action required enough defensive attention that he might have been helping to create more distance between defender and shooter, like weaker contest and such.

I'd love to see numbers showing it, of course. And they're available. We can look at our key shooters in the stretch where RJ was down, then before and after, and see how many of their 3PA/g were at the various levels of coverage from NBA.com, I guess.

[YogurtProducer]

Barrett was making others shoot well…? That actually is a hot take.

Take IQ for example, he’s missing wide open catch and shoot shots. What does RJ do that makes him make those vs miss when they’re the same wide open catch and shoot looks?

How was Barrett making bench players shoot better? Was his towel waiving when he was resting that good?

I can understand the notional argument that RJ's off-ball action required enough defensive attention that he might have been helping to create more distance between defender and shooter, like weaker contest and such.

I'd love to see numbers showing it, of course. And they're available. We can look at our key shooters in the stretch where RJ was down, then before and after, and see how many of their 3PA/g were at the various levels of coverage from NBA.com, I guess.

All I can tell you for certain is our teams “wide open” shooting percentage went down, but our frequency went up, on the last month or so RJ has been hurt.

So more open 3’s taken, less open 3’s hit.

I don’t know if that’s RJ

[tsherkin]

All I can tell you for certain is our teams “wide open” shooting percentage went down, but our frequency went up, on the last month or so RJ has been hurt.

So more open 3’s taken, less open 3’s hit.

I don’t know if that’s RJ

How much did our frequency of open 3s go up? And what happens when you control for transition 3s versus in the halfcourt?

[Indeed]

Barrett was making others shoot well…? That actually is a hot take.

Take IQ for example, he’s missing wide open catch and shoot shots. What does RJ do that makes him make those vs miss when they’re the same wide open catch and shoot looks?

How was Barrett making bench players shoot better? Was his towel waiving when he was resting that good?

I can understand the notional argument that RJ's off-ball action required enough defensive attention that he might have been helping to create more distance between defender and shooter, like weaker contest and such.

I'd love to see numbers showing it, of course. And they're available. We can look at our key shooters in the stretch where RJ was down, then before and after, and see how many of their 3PA/g were at the various levels of coverage from NBA.com, I guess.

Before Barrett injury
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?DateFrom=10/19/2025&DateTo=11/22/2025&TeamID=1610612761&dir=A&sort=FG3_PCT

During Barrett injury
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?DateFrom=11/24/2025&DateTo=12/28/2025&TeamID=1610612761&dir=A&sort=FG3_PCT

After Barrett injury (with one game missing)
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?DateFrom=12/28/2025&DateTo=01/07/2026&TeamID=1610612761&dir=A&sort=FG3_PCT

You can click on each of the 3 point shooting to see the video (if available).

[tsherkin]

Barrett was making others shoot well…? That actually is a hot take.

Take IQ for example, he’s missing wide open catch and shoot shots. What does RJ do that makes him make those vs miss when they’re the same wide open catch and shoot looks?

How was Barrett making bench players shoot better? Was his towel waiving when he was resting that good?

I can understand the notional argument that RJ's off-ball action required enough defensive attention that he might have been helping to create more distance between defender and shooter, like weaker contest and such.

I'd love to see numbers showing it, of course. And they're available. We can look at our key shooters in the stretch where RJ was down, then before and after, and see how many of their 3PA/g were at the various levels of coverage from NBA.com, I guess.

Before Barrett injury
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?DateFrom=10/19/2025&DateTo=11/22/2025&TeamID=1610612761&dir=A&sort=FG3_PCT

During Barrett injury
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?DateFrom=11/24/2025&DateTo=12/28/2025&TeamID=1610612761&dir=A&sort=FG3_PCT

After Barrett injury (with one game missing)
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?DateFrom=12/28/2025&DateTo=01/07/2026&TeamID=1610612761&dir=A&sort=FG3_PCT

You can click on each of the 3 point shooting to see the video (if available).

Nice, thanks!

[YogurtProducer]

All I can tell you for certain is our teams “wide open” shooting percentage went down, but our frequency went up, on the last month or so RJ has been hurt.

So more open 3’s taken, less open 3’s hit.

I don’t know if that’s RJ

How much did our frequency of open 3s go up? And what happens when you control for transition 3s versus in the halfcourt?

To 11/23/25 (healthy RJ)
Open 3's - 9.6 3PA - 39.3%
Wide Open 3's - 20.9 3PA - 38.9%
Total = 30.5 3PA - 39.0% (35.7ppg)

Since 11/24/25 (mostly hurt RJ)
Open 3's - 11.2 3PA - 31.6%
Wide Open 3's - 21.6 3PA - 33.5%
Total = 32.8 3PA - 32.9% (32.3ppg)

So despite us getting 2.3 MORE good open looks per game, we are scoring 3.4 less points per game. And it is not like RJ was carrying those numbers... he only shoots 37.5% on open 3's. and 34.0% on wide open 3's

transition vs halfcourt.. that is beyond my ability to quantify. But from looking at just shotclocks, it doesn't really look like there was a huge change in when we were getting those 3 point attempts

[tsherkin]

To 11/23/25 (healthy RJ)
Open 3's - 9.6 3PA - 39.3%
Wide Open 3's - 20.9 3PA - 38.9%
Total = 30.5 3PA - 39.0% (35.7ppg)

Since 11/24/25 (mostly hurt RJ)
Open 3's - 11.2 3PA - 31.6%
Wide Open 3's - 21.6 3PA - 33.5%
Total = 32.8 3PA - 32.9% (32.3ppg)

So despite us getting 2.3 MORE good open looks per game, we are scoring 3.4 less points per game. And it is not like RJ was carrying those numbers... he only shoots 37.5% on open 3's. and 34.0% on wide open 3's

Helpful stuff, thanks for putting that into a post.

transition vs halfcourt.. that is beyond my ability to quantify. But from looking at just shotclocks, it doesn't really look like there was a huge change in when we were getting those 3 point attempts

Yeah, the only thing I could think of would be looking at volume and eFG% in transition before, during and after RJ's injury absence, but that would be imperfect and wouldn't specifically address open looks, either.

[GoRapstheoriginal]

Lets just take it game by game now. Thankfully with this 2 weeks schedule that started on the January 5th it's: Mon Wed Fri Sun Mon Wed Fri.

So only 1 back to back that RJ *may* not play in. (this upcoming Sunday/Monday).

Fingers crossed! #team positivepolly! All Aboard! Lets go! Choo choo! Go RJ GO!