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[ArthurVandelay]

IQ + Poeltl >>>>> Monk / Sabonis / MLE

We don't need IQ to be an isolation scorer when we got BI. We need high level 3 point shooting and a guy who is not a target defensively. Same with Sabonis. He just gives a massive hole for teams to attack.

To be clear, that is your opinion. It is not fact. I'm not talking about Sabonis.

Ingram gets his shot off because of his length and he has to usually back people down to get to his spot. The Raptors don't have anyone who can explode past the defense and get to the rim off the bounce. Monk can very much do that.

Also, just a year ago, under Mike Brown, in another system, Monk was being credited for some pretty good defense and improvement overall:
https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nba/sacramento-kings/malik-monk-defense-starting-lineup/1813805/

"People said I couldn’t guard so I’m showing people [I can].”

....

With Monk’s tenacious defense, the Kings have a lot of momentum to build on as they head toward the heart of the greuling NBA season.

Also, can you imagine sharing the court and playing D with LaVine, DeRozan, and Sabonis? LOL

Sure it is my opinion... but it is also a pretty widely accepted fact that Monk and Sabonis are both bad defenders. One quote from his coach trying to hype Monk up doesn't change that

Here is Darko saying Dick is doing a much better job defensively:

Watch on YouTube

Yeah. See you should engage in conversations with the perspective you don't know everything. No poop a coach would be hyping up his own players ability. Except there is no quote from Mike Brown in that 3 paragraph article

The quote is I put in is from Monk himself. Everything else is from a reporter. So Monk's defense improved enough for it to be noticed at one point. Which means he has the ability to play defense. It also shows he has improved from when he came into the league. So it might be worth letting go of those preconceived notions. We aren't talking about a Dame Lillard or Trae Young or Jalen Brunson here.

[Zeno]

Oh man. Sidery is a clown. He always does this. Foolish of me to share his tweet.

It isn’t his reporting though. He is basically just retweeting Amick.

Except nowhere in the article did Amick say AD would be open to a trade to Toronto.

Yeah maybe that is him or someone he has talked to assuming based on Raptors relationship with Rich Paul and his comments about always wanting clients here. When Ingram’s market was next to nothing, the same two teams(Hawks, Raptors) were the main reported interested parties.

[Clutch0z24]

For us to get AD it would take draft picks because i don't see a world where any team wants long term money in any deals since these teams would rather just get the salary off the books....Hope Bobby walks away i would not give up future picks for AD. This team could fall apart in the next 3 weeks if things go bad/injuries losing picks cripples franchises.

Sadly we are stuck with IQ/Yak they have no value and no one wants these kind of contracts.

[YoungG]

It isn’t his reporting though. He is basically just retweeting Amick.

Except nowhere in the article did Amick say AD would be open to a trade to Toronto.

Yeah maybe that is him or someone he has talked to assuming based on Raptors relationship with Rich Paul and his comments about always wanting clients here. When Ingram’s market was next to nothing, the same two teams(Hawks, Raptors) were the main reported interested parties.

I posted the same article in a different thread... amenable is a big word! I think the thing is that it's exciting to see that the Raptors are potentially involved with trading for as many different stars as they are. When healthy, AD is a top 12 player in this league. His issue is that he's rarely healthy. He would bolster the Raptors defensively and offensively, and if he were looking at the Raptors as a potential landing spot, I don't see why Bobby wouldn't swing for the fences.

[ArthurVandelay]

For us to get AD it would take draft picks because i don't see a world where any team wants long term money in any deals since these teams would rather just get the salary off the books....Hope Bobby walks away i would not give up future picks for AD. This team could fall apart in the next 3 weeks if things go bad/injuries losing picks cripples franchises.

Sadly we are stuck with IQ/Yak they have no value and no one wants these kind of contracts.

The pessimistic side of me I keep locked away is banging on the door agreeing with you.

My more optimistic side reminds myself any contract can be traded in the NBA. Jordan Poole was traded with no significant assets given up. Anything is possible.

[Zeno]

For us to get AD it would take draft picks because i don't see a world where any team wants long term money in any deals since these teams would rather just get the salary off the books....Hope Bobby walks away i would not give up future picks for AD. This team could fall apart in the next 3 weeks if things go bad/injuries losing picks cripples franchises.

Sadly we are stuck with IQ/Yak they have no value and no one wants these kind of contracts.

Two teams, Bucks and Kings are the ones that could conceivably be desperate and dumb enough to make this a viable trade for Dallas. Demar is a near expiring and maybe if Bucks ate Klay’s contract,…I could kind of see a four way deal with Kings and Bucks but I don’t have that kind of time to dedicate to the trade machine.

[YogurtProducer]

To be clear, that is your opinion. It is not fact. I'm not talking about Sabonis.

Ingram gets his shot off because of his length and he has to usually back people down to get to his spot. The Raptors don't have anyone who can explode past the defense and get to the rim off the bounce. Monk can very much do that.

Also, just a year ago, under Mike Brown, in another system, Monk was being credited for some pretty good defense and improvement overall:
https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nba/sacramento-kings/malik-monk-defense-starting-lineup/1813805/



Also, can you imagine sharing the court and playing D with LaVine, DeRozan, and Sabonis? LOL

Sure it is my opinion... but it is also a pretty widely accepted fact that Monk and Sabonis are both bad defenders. One quote from his coach trying to hype Monk up doesn't change that

Here is Darko saying Dick is doing a much better job defensively:

Watch on YouTube

Yeah. See you should engage in conversations with the perspective you don't know everything. No poop a coach would be hyping up his own players ability. Except there is no quote from Mike Brown in that 3 paragraph article

The quote is I put in is from Monk himself. Everything else is from a reporter. So Monk's defense improved enough for it to be noticed at one point. Which means he has the ability to play defense. It also shows he has improved from when he came into the league. So it might be worth letting go of those preconceived notions. We aren't talking about a Dame Lillard or Trae Young or Jalen Brunson here.

O my bad. Not that it matters, because I don't care what Andy Lindquist (Who????) and Malik Monk say about how Monk improved on defense. Like really dude? That is like saying Doug Smith said Dick is a good defender so you use it as support

The guy is in the 11th percetile in EPDM right now. He is a horrific defender, and always has been. You can go on Kings boards or reddit and read what people say about him.

I mean trading monk is a huge step to fixing our defense. He's pretty horrible on that end

As an inconsistent shooter, questionable defender, and only passable primary playmaker at most,

Monk's defense is suspect at times but his offense overall is better than Moody, Kuminga or Buddy

He's an offensive minded, undersized, non-defensive guard,

It really is not an opinion to say he is a bad defender - it is a widely accepted fact.

[YogurtProducer]

Would yall rather trade for Trae or AD?

Trae.

At least I have faith he will be playing basketball in 12 months

[ArthurVandelay]

Sure it is my opinion... but it is also a pretty widely accepted fact that Monk and Sabonis are both bad defenders. One quote from his coach trying to hype Monk up doesn't change that

Here is Darko saying Dick is doing a much better job defensively:

Watch on YouTube

Yeah. See you should engage in conversations with the perspective you don't know everything. No poop a coach would be hyping up his own players ability. Except there is no quote from Mike Brown in that 3 paragraph article

The quote is I put in is from Monk himself. Everything else is from a reporter. So Monk's defense improved enough for it to be noticed at one point. Which means he has the ability to play defense. It also shows he has improved from when he came into the league. So it might be worth letting go of those preconceived notions. We aren't talking about a Dame Lillard or Trae Young or Jalen Brunson here.

O my bad. Not that it matters, because I don't care what Andy Lindquist (Who????) and Malik Monk say about how Monk improved on defense. Like really dude? That is like saying Doug Smith said Dick is a good defender so you use it as support

The guy is in the 11th percetile in EPDM right now. He is a horrific defender, and always has been. You can go on Kings boards or reddit and read what people say about him.

I mean trading monk is a huge step to fixing our defense. He's pretty horrible on that end

As an inconsistent shooter, questionable defender, and only passable primary playmaker at most,

Monk's defense is suspect at times but his offense overall is better than Moody, Kuminga or Buddy

He's an offensive minded, undersized, non-defensive guard,

It really is not an opinion to say he is a bad defender - it is a widely accepted fact.

Yes. This year is an awful year for him. No question. But he has made gains and shown ability to play as recently as last season and he's also been on a Sacramento team that did reach, I believe, 44 wins in the west.

He's also playing on one of the worst teams in the league with some of the actual worst defensive players in the league (DeRozan, LaVine, and when healthy Sabonis) and a first full season coach who appears to be out of his element.

My point is by getting off IQ for his contract, you open the door to using the MLE. That could add an impact player(s) like NAW...or at least someone who can shoot off the bench.

[Smalltown]

I'm on the fence. But this trade lines up too well dollarwise to ignore.

Dallas gets:

Immanuel Quickley
$32,500,000
(incl. ULTBE)
+ 3 yr, $97,500,000

Jakob Poeltl
$19,500,000
(incl. ULTBE)
+ 1 yr, $19,500,000 (+ extension)

Gradey Dick
$4,990,560
+ 1 yr, $7,131,511

and has to wave 1 player.

Toronto gets:

Anthony Davis
Center
$54,126,450
+ 2 yr, $121,243,248

D'Angelo Russell
Point Guard
via Mid Level Exception
$5,685,000
+ 1 yr, $5,969,250

and they stay under the 1st apron.

I have no doubt picks of some sort need to be involved but the money just works too well.

[Son Goku 25]

I'm on the fence. But this trade lines up too well dollarwise to ignore.

Dallas gets:

Immanuel Quickley
$32,500,000
(incl. ULTBE)
+ 3 yr, $97,500,000

Jakob Poeltl
$19,500,000
(incl. ULTBE)
+ 1 yr, $19,500,000 (+ extension)

Gradey Dick
$4,990,560
+ 1 yr, $7,131,511

and has to wave 1 player.

Toronto gets:

Anthony Davis
Center
$54,126,450
+ 2 yr, $121,243,248

D'Angelo Russell
Point Guard
via Mid Level Exception
$5,685,000
+ 1 yr, $5,969,250

and they stay under the 1st apron.

I have no doubt picks of some sort need to be involved but the money just works too well.

I think Merit posted this too. Probably can change it up a bit but I don't hate it.

It would mean we're really counting on Shead to take that next step and be the starting guard which I'm not sure hes ready for. Also means we'll get another injured Big but he'd clearly be the best player out of the bunch.

Can Russell and Shead compliment each other well? Can AD be healthy enough? I'm guessing our FO is weighing the option of if it's worth it to keep 2 of RJ/IQ/Yak and if Yaks back is toast then it makes sense to move him or else you'd rather keep him and get a lead guard instead.

[mdenny]

Would yall rather trade for Trae or AD?

Trae.

At least I have faith he will be playing basketball in 12 months

Yah. My thinking is that Trae is a certifiable dawg. Dude is highly competitive and cares alot about winning. AD seems perfectly satisfied kinda coasting through his career.

But that's more of a gut feel than anything else.

Honestly....it really matters what Scotty would prefer imo. One would think they are checking in with him about these possible consolidation trades.

[Smalltown]

Can Russell and Shead compliment each other well? Can AD be healthy enough? I'm guessing our FO is weighing the option of if it's worth it to keep 2 of RJ/IQ/Yak and if Yaks back is toast then it makes sense to move him or else you'd rather keep him and get a lead guard instead.

Staying under the first apron gives them flexibility to make additional moves as well, and RJ, Ochai and the minimum contracts are enough to play in a variety of pools. So i wouldn't say they have to settle on Dlo or Shead necessarily.

[tsherkin]

Would yall rather trade for Trae or AD?

Trae.

At least I have faith he will be playing basketball in 12 months

Yah. My thinking is that Trae is a certifiable dawg. Dude is highly competitive and cares alot about winning. AD seems perfectly satisfied kinda coasting through his career.

But that's more of a gut feel than anything else.

Honestly....it really matters what Scotty would prefer imo. One would think they are checking in with him about these possible consolidation trades.

Worth remembering that he wants to come in and be the "franchise guard" per his own statements and how he's working with the team to find a trade.

If he's not hitting nearly 40% from 3, he isn't a useful scorer. And that means lobbing up a lot of bad shots which don't go in, and counteracting the value of his playmaking. There are definitely pros and cons to trying to add Trae, and they aren't all tied up in his defense and on-ball playmaking.

[MiamiSPX]

If there is any truth to AD being open to Toronto, that is worrisome. Because let's not kid ourselves, he would only be open to it because they've agreed an extension will be forthcoming.

On the other hand, he is not extension eligible until August, so we can renege on that deal because he will undoubtedly have missed another 30 games to close out the season.

[Son Goku 25]

Looks like IQ knows he's on the TB

[Boselecta]

Any trade where we can move off of IQ/Yak's contract is a win

[manjusaka]

As for today, I don’t mind a trade like this but nothing more: IQ + Yak for AD.

[YogurtProducer]

Trae.

At least I have faith he will be playing basketball in 12 months

Yah. My thinking is that Trae is a certifiable dawg. Dude is highly competitive and cares alot about winning. AD seems perfectly satisfied kinda coasting through his career.

But that's more of a gut feel than anything else.

Honestly....it really matters what Scotty would prefer imo. One would think they are checking in with him about these possible consolidation trades.

Worth remembering that he wants to come in and be the "franchise guard" per his own statements and how he's working with the team to find a trade.

If he's not hitting nearly 40% from 3, he isn't a useful scorer. And that means lobbing up a lot of bad shots which don't go in, and counteracting the value of his playmaking. There are definitely pros and cons to trying to add Trae, and they aren't all tied up in his defense and on-ball playmaking.

Trae at his best is a hell of a player at least.

If he could buy into a bit more off-ball stuff and cut down on some of the logo 3's outside when he is on fire I think his 3pt % could skyrocket again.

[tsherkin]

Trae at his best is a hell of a player at least.

Yes he is. I've spent several years fighting that fight on the GB and trying to note that he had only so much to work with in Atlanta these past few seasons (especially prior to JJ breaking out and Okongwu's rise), which has served to exacerbate things by way of their record.

If he could buy into a bit more off-ball stuff and cut down on some of the logo 3's outside when he is on fire I think his 3pt % could skyrocket again.

It's certainly possible. He IS a good shooter. His real problem on offense, apart from being a little loose with his shot selection from 3, is that he blows donkeys at the rim because of his size. He's a demon at drawing fouls and he drives a ton, which we do need a lot.