Fischer/Stein: Raps trying to see what RJ/IQ/Poeltl gets // Still trying for Anthony Davis

[Raptors Realtor]

why not. Barnes is a very good player but will never at giannis level; cmb also good role player but not all star.
This way you have trae, RJ, BI, Giannis contracts all that expire at the end of next year. Gives us a 2 year shot to win it all; if not, break it down and start all over.

Giannis is great obviously, but he's 31, whereas Barnes is only 24 and is a few years away from his prime, and it's way too early to determine CMB's ceiling, however as a 21 year old rookie, he's been very impressive... I'd personally rather have the Scottie & CMB combo for the next 10-15 years vs Giannis for the next 5.

giannis at 31 is better than scottie at 24(or any age for that matter). any championship window only lasts 2-3 years at best in the parity era. this gives us our shot. i'd love to keep cmb if possible and replace with picks sure

Ya Giannis is better now, I didn't say he wasn't, but the decline will start right around the time Scottie's prime begins, so there'll be a time in the next few years when Scottie will be the better/more impactful player. And the discussion wasn't just Scottie, it was Scottie and CMB, not to mention picks, I'm a big proponent of building sustainable success versus just focusing on short term window of success, like the Leafs for example, and I don't believe swapping Giannis for Scottie and CMB makes us true contenders.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Giannis is great obviously, but he's 31, whereas Barnes is only 24 and is a few years away from his prime, and it's way too early to determine CMB's ceiling, however as a 21 year old rookie, he's been very impressive... I'd personally rather have the Scottie & CMB combo for the next 10-15 years vs Giannis for the next 5.

giannis at 31 is better than scottie at 24(or any age for that matter). any championship window only lasts 2-3 years at best in the parity era. this gives us our shot. i'd love to keep cmb if possible and replace with picks sure

Ya Giannis is better now, I didn't say he wasn't, but the decline will start right around the time Scottie's prime begins, so there'll be a time in the next few years when Scottie will be the better/more impactful player. And the discussion wasn't just Scottie, it was Scottie and CMB, not to mention picks, I'm a big proponent of building sustainable success versus just focusing on short term success, like the Leafs for example, and I don't believe swapping Giannis for Scottie and CMB makes us true contenders.

point is to win championships, not to have 'sustainable success'. giannis is having an amazing year this year; i don't see a decline until the next contract and god help whoever signs him to an extension.

[DG88]

Going for Davis now just doesn't make sense for me. Unless we knew we had a championship aspirations with this group I would be ready for a Davis trade. Not now with this roster.

[Tor_Raps]

AD is exactly the kind of big you want next to Ingram
and Scottie… when healthy. Fits this team very well.

key phrase right there...just too high risk right now and doesn't really take us to another level.

When healthy, AD is a top 10 player so obviously hed fit anywhere.

Just makes no sense to invest into a guy turning 33 years old to shrink our contending windows to only a few years, and those few years will probably never come because he cant stay healthy.

[Raptors Realtor]

giannis at 31 is better than scottie at 24(or any age for that matter). any championship window only lasts 2-3 years at best in the parity era. this gives us our shot. i'd love to keep cmb if possible and replace with picks sure

Ya Giannis is better now, I didn't say he wasn't, but the decline will start right around the time Scottie's prime begins, so there'll be a time in the next few years when Scottie will be the better/more impactful player. And the discussion wasn't just Scottie, it was Scottie and CMB, not to mention picks, I'm a big proponent of building sustainable success versus just focusing on short term success, like the Leafs for example, and I don't believe swapping Giannis for Scottie and CMB makes us true contenders.

point is to win championships, not to have 'sustainable success'. giannis is having an amazing year this year; i don't see a decline until the next contract and god help whoever signs him to an extension.

Ya thanks tips, sustainable success can include championships.

[RoteSchroder]

AD is exactly the kind of big you want next to Ingram
and Scottie… when healthy. Fits this team very well.

key phrase right there...just too high risk right now and doesn't really take us to another level.

When healthy, AD is a top 10 player so obviously hed fit anywhere.

Just makes no sense to invest into a guy turning 33 years old to shrink our contending windows to only a few years, and those few years will probably never come because he cant stay heslthy.

AD's impact on the game seems to be fairly overrated to me. I wouldn't put him in the top 10 when healthy

[Tor_Raps]

key phrase right there...just too high risk right now and doesn't really take us to another level.

When healthy, AD is a top 10 player so obviously hed fit anywhere.

Just makes no sense to invest into a guy turning 33 years old to shrink our contending windows to only a few years, and those few years will probably never come because he cant stay heslthy.

AD's impact on the game seems to be fairly overrated to me. I wouldn't put him in the top 10 when healthy

I agree his impact is overrated BUT thats when people used to say he was a top 5 player. I still think hes definitely a top 10 to 15 player when healthy.

[tdotrep2]

When healthy, AD is a top 10 player so obviously hed fit anywhere.

Just makes no sense to invest into a guy turning 33 years old to shrink our contending windows to only a few years, and those few years will probably never come because he cant stay heslthy.

AD's impact on the game seems to be fairly overrated to me. I wouldn't put him in the top 10 when healthy

I agree his impact is overrated BUT thats when people used to say he was a top 5 player. I still think hes definitely a top 10 to 15 player when healthy.

just look at the mavs with and without him... he'd make us a contender in the east IF he can play in the playoffs

[Tor_Raps]

AD's impact on the game seems to be fairly overrated to me. I wouldn't put him in the top 10 when healthy

I agree his impact is overrated BUT thats when people used to say he was a top 5 player. I still think hes definitely a top 10 to 15 player when healthy.

just look at the mavs with and without him... he'd make us a contender in the east IF he can play in the playoffs

Ya but I dont trust Davis's health to ever see that come to fruition. He will try to bust his ass to get that extension and then fade into retirement.

We're just starting our contention windows, go get guys that can grow with Ingram/Scottie, not end that windows in a few years.

[tdotrep2]

I agree his impact is overrated BUT thats when people used to say he was a top 5 player. I still think hes definitely a top 10 to 15 player when healthy.

just look at the mavs with and without him... he'd make us a contender in the east IF he can play in the playoffs

Ya but I dont trust Davis's health to ever see that come to fruition. He will try to bust his ass to get that extension and then fade into retirement.

We're just starting our contention windows, go get guys that can grow with Ingram/Scottie, not end that windows in a few years.

The issue is, we either make trades like this or JA.. or we ride it out with IQ and pray RJ takes a hometown discount.. we are sort of capped at what we are. AD's got a shoter term deal, you try and contend for a few years and then you can let him walk

[GIZMO]

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if they trade a first with IQ and RJ, I will be pushing for the fire Bobby bandwagon.

[GIZMO]

When healthy, AD is a top 10 player so obviously hed fit anywhere.

Just makes no sense to invest into a guy turning 33 years old to shrink our contending windows to only a few years, and those few years will probably never come because he cant stay heslthy.

AD's impact on the game seems to be fairly overrated to me. I wouldn't put him in the top 10 when healthy

I agree his impact is overrated BUT thats when people used to say he was a top 5 player. I still think hes definitely a top 10 to 15 player

when healthy

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that's the problem

[Boogie!]

just look at the mavs with and without him... he'd make us a contender in the east IF he can play in the playoffs

Ya but I dont trust Davis's health to ever see that come to fruition. He will try to bust his ass to get that extension and then fade into retirement.

We're just starting our contention windows, go get guys that can grow with Ingram/Scottie, not end that windows in a few years.

The issue is, we either make trades like this or JA.. or we ride it out with IQ and pray RJ takes a hometown discount.. we are sort of capped at what we are. AD's got a shoter term deal, you try and contend for a few years and then you can let him walk

Davis is always hurt. You’re literally gonna gut your team for a guy that never plays

[Boogie!]

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if they trade a first with IQ and RJ, I will be pushing for the fire Bobby bandwagon.

You’re literally giving up your starting lineup for zfuy that never plays. There’s people on this board that were talking about how we’re missing 3 starters tonight to justify us not being good enough to dominate the pacers, guess what you trade those guys for Davis, what you saw tonight is basically gonna be your team for thee rest of the season. Good **** luck.

[Mark_83]

If Bobby makes that deal for Davis you're banking a lot of money on Alex McKechnie keeping that walking Feberge egg from breaking.

[RoteSchroder]

AD's impact on the game seems to be fairly overrated to me. I wouldn't put him in the top 10 when healthy

I agree his impact is overrated BUT thats when people used to say he was a top 5 player. I still think hes definitely a top 10 to 15 player when healthy.

just look at the mavs with and without him... he'd make us a contender in the east IF he can play in the playoffs

Not that AD isn't good, but I think there's a bit of a Poeltl scenario + the Mavs not having much starter-level depth. Any team not really having any other high level PF/C's and losing out on an all-star big is gonna hurt. I'm just wondering how synergistic he'll be on a team that needs some elite offense and perimeter shooting (of course adding him or even healthy Poeltl will help us tons in terms of having a defensive big man anchor)

The offense may still look a bit rough if Scottie/Ingram/CMB all like operating/hanging out in the mid-range or closer to the basket..especially if IQ is going the other way. AD (and our own players) would be better complimented with floor spreaders and on-ball guards. On top of that, I'm not sure if the Raps really need another high volume scorer. A Jrue Holiday/Lowry/Derrick White type floor general with high volume 3's and efficient scoring on ~15-17 PPG would be the ideal complement imo.

[CPT]

AD being top 10 when healthy is approaching “Iverson would be the best player in the league if he were 6’6” levels of meaningless statements.

He’s not and never will be.

Move on.

[Boogie!]

I agree his impact is overrated BUT thats when people used to say he was a top 5 player. I still think hes definitely a top 10 to 15 player when healthy.

just look at the mavs with and without him... he'd make us a contender in the east IF he can play in the playoffs

Not that AD isn't good, but I think there's a bit of a Poeltl scenario + the Mavs not having much starter-level depth. Any team not really having any other high level PF/C's and losing out on an all-star big is gonna hurt. I'm just wondering how synergistic he'll be on a team that needs some elite offense and perimeter shooting (of course adding him or even healthy Poeltl will help us tons in terms of having a defensive big man anchor)

The offense may still look a bit rough if Scottie/Ingram/CMB all like operating/hanging out in the mid-range or closer to the basket..especially if IQ is going the other way. AD (and our own players) would be better complimented with floor spreaders and on-ball guards. On top of that, I'm not sure if the Raps really need another high volume scorer. A Jrue Holiday/Lowry/Derrick White type floor general with high volume 3's and efficient scoring on ~15-17 PPG would be the ideal complement imo.

If all you’re trading is like poeltl plus dick and scraps for Davis, I would 100% take that risk. If it’s for any more than that, I.e quickley plus Rj it’s. Hell no and bobby is an idiot

[Raptorfan2012]

If Bobby makes that deal for Davis you're banking a lot of money on Alex McKechnie keeping that walking Feberge egg from breaking.

If I am Dr. McKechnie and Bobby trades for AD, I would ask for a raise.

[PushDaRock]

just look at the mavs with and without him... he'd make us a contender in the east IF he can play in the playoffs

Not that AD isn't good, but I think there's a bit of a Poeltl scenario + the Mavs not having much starter-level depth. Any team not really having any other high level PF/C's and losing out on an all-star big is gonna hurt. I'm just wondering how synergistic he'll be on a team that needs some elite offense and perimeter shooting (of course adding him or even healthy Poeltl will help us tons in terms of having a defensive big man anchor)

The offense may still look a bit rough if Scottie/Ingram/CMB all like operating/hanging out in the mid-range or closer to the basket..especially if IQ is going the other way. AD (and our own players) would be better complimented with floor spreaders and on-ball guards. On top of that, I'm not sure if the Raps really need another high volume scorer. A Jrue Holiday/Lowry/Derrick White type floor general with high volume 3's and efficient scoring on ~15-17 PPG would be the ideal complement imo.

If all you’re trading is like poeltl plus dick and scraps for Davis, I would 100% take that risk. If it’s for any more than that, I.e quickley plus Rj it’s. Hell no and bobby is an idiot

Trade isn't possible without moving 2 starters.