PG: Knicks vs. Pacers: Gross

[8516knicks]

I gotta be honest I have no confidence this team is making the ECF. We still got 30 something games left but I haven't liked the DNA of this years team. We are 'Duncan Robinson' aka soft and timid. You don't see that hunger and toughness. Just look at the postgame interviews. These players don't even look like they care. Heck, we the fans show more of a pulse! They can't wait to swap jerseys and gossip with the opposing players after losses all smiling and ****!

HC Brown has done some good things and a 34-20 record is alright but considering the expectations coming into the season, I cannot say with a straight face that expectations have been reached. We are that student that barely passed the midterm.

Also losing faith in JB. I think we try to fool ourselves into hoping he is that elite level player and leader but I think maybe he's just a Robin and we still do not have a Batman.

You may be right but for those of us who remember the arid desert between Ewing teams and now, part of me is still just grateful to watch the Knicks be a certain playoff team again.

Also, I can image fans back then saying the same thing (Robin not Batman) about Ewing.

Or going back in NBA history, take away West from the Chamberlin Lakers, etc. Was West the Robin or Batman there? Kobe & Shaq; Magic & Kareem; -- it takes 2 usually. KAT was supposed to be one but can you compare him with any of the other championship bigs of note?

i think JB is a lot closer to being our #1 than KAT is to any of the noted bigs you find on championship teams. It almost seems like he has Walt Bellamy numbers not Wilis Reed (presence/force/inspiration) numbers.

[Guano]

chill. we just won 9 out of 10.

We are also missing our best 2 way player

The heart and soul of our team.

The silent stoic leader who sets the tone - leads by example.

So its no surprise they didnt win.

[2ThouTeninator]

I watched the Pistons game in Charlotte and Tobias Harris took and hit a contested clutch shot. But KAT can't get a shot? Seems like we just play the easiest to guard game out there as a matter of letting JB be the face and most important Knick. There's no nuance to the plan and those almost never work.

KAT has been spotty but that's not the point. And he has plenty of talent to come through on a tough shot.

[G_K_F]

The Pacers are better than us in every aspect. After 3 years I can safely say that.

This offseason we need to make a major move to alter the DNA of this team.

If we crash out before the ECF - which there is a great chance we will - the coach has to be fired and a major trade or two needs to take place. End of story. We aren’t one role player away from immortality. We need much more than that but, more importantly, we need a change in mentality.

Bridges and Towns are the 2 most mentally soft players on the squad. Something has to change here.

Nah... it's way closer than that. I think if we can get Giannis with KAT/Mikal this summer, then you do it. Otherwise, I would be OK with keeping Bridges and shopping KAT for better fitting pieces. I don't think we need to blow everything up as we have lots of very solid foundational pieces already.

Next season, the East will have DET, CLE, BOS, and IND as powerhouses. It's possible one of PHI or CHA or ORL could also take a step up with the right moves. So that's 4-6 really strong teams that the Knicks will have to contend with. No cake walk...

Bruh if we can’t win in a depleted Eastern Conference there is no reason to believe we will fare better against stronger competition with practically the same squad.

[sol537]

The Pacers are better than us in every aspect. After 3 years I can safely say that.

This offseason we need to make a major move to alter the DNA of this team.

If we crash out before the ECF - which there is a great chance we will - the coach has to be fired and a major trade or two needs to take place. End of story. We aren’t one role player away from immortality. We need much more than that but, more importantly, we need a change in mentality.

Bridges and Towns are the 2 most mentally soft players on the squad. Something has to change here.

Nah... it's way closer than that. I think if we can get Giannis with KAT/Mikal this summer, then you do it. Otherwise, I would be OK with keeping Bridges and shopping KAT for better fitting pieces. I don't think we need to blow everything up as we have lots of very solid foundational pieces already.

Next season, the East will have DET, CLE, BOS, and IND as powerhouses. It's possible one of PHI or CHA or ORL could also take a step up with the right moves. So that's 4-6 really strong teams that the Knicks will have to contend with. No cake walk...

Bruh if we can’t win in a depleted Eastern Conference there is no reason to believe we will fare better against stronger competition with practically the same squad.

How do you know we can't come out of the East this season? We probably have the 1st or 2nd best chance/probability to do so this season... why not see how it plays out this season and then re-evaluate in the off-season? The front office will be doing just that...

[G_K_F]

Nah... it's way closer than that. I think if we can get Giannis with KAT/Mikal this summer, then you do it. Otherwise, I would be OK with keeping Bridges and shopping KAT for better fitting pieces. I don't think we need to blow everything up as we have lots of very solid foundational pieces already.

Next season, the East will have DET, CLE, BOS, and IND as powerhouses. It's possible one of PHI or CHA or ORL could also take a step up with the right moves. So that's 4-6 really strong teams that the Knicks will have to contend with. No cake walk...

Bruh if we can’t win in a depleted Eastern Conference there is no reason to believe we will fare better against stronger competition with practically the same squad.

How do you know we can't come out of the East this season? We probably have the 1st or 2nd best chance/probability to do so this season... why not see how it plays out this season and then re-evaluate in the off-season? The front office will be doing just that...

Well I did say IF we don’t make it to the ECF. It will depend on matchups.

[JXL]

Can't believe the guy who likes being a troll is telling off the idiots who didn't watch last night (including some on this forum)

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[FrozenEnvelope]

I gotta be honest I have no confidence this team is making the ECF. We still got 30 something games left but I haven't liked the DNA of this years team. We are 'Duncan Robinson' aka soft and timid. You don't see that hunger and toughness. Just look at the postgame interviews. These players don't even look like they care. Heck, we the fans show more of a pulse! They can't wait to swap jerseys and gossip with the opposing players after losses all smiling and ****!

HC Brown has done some good things and a 34-20 record is alright but considering the expectations coming into the season, I cannot say with a straight face that expectations have been reached. We are that student that barely passed the midterm.

Also losing faith in JB. I think we try to fool ourselves into hoping he is that elite level player and leader but I think maybe he's just a Robin and we still do not have a Batman.

You may be right but for those of us who remember the arid desert between Ewing teams and now, part of me is still just grateful to watch the Knicks be a certain playoff team again.

Also, I can image fans back then saying the same thing (Robin not Batman) about Ewing.

Or going back in NBA history, take away West from the Chamberlin Lakers, etc. Was West the Robin or Batman there? Kobe & Shaq; Magic & Kareem; -- it takes 2 usually. KAT was supposed to be one but can you compare him with any of the other championship bigs of note?

i think JB is a lot closer to being our #1 than KAT is to any of the noted bigs you find on championship teams. It almost seems like he has Walt Bellamy numbers not Wilis Reed (presence/force/inspiration) numbers.

I really hope I'm wrong and I want to believe JB is the one who will end the title drought but if I had to bet the house, I'd say it's very likely the JB era ends up very much like the Ewing era with a lot of wins and high points but no championship.

I'm not sure KAT is even a Bosh/3rd banana here. His skillset and personality just doesn't seem to fit to what HC Brown wants to do.

Ideally we can get Giannis for KAT and Mikal and JB becomes a Robin or maybe 1B.

[NiceLikeChrist]

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Bad tweet and terrible analysis. Is that guy an analyst? Like this is his job?

Brunson took 5 jumpers in the last 3 minutes of regulation. All bricks, all short. His only bucket was a layup 1:31 left

3:18: pull up 3 - 10 seconds on the clock. No play, just staring right at nesmith's face and putting it up

2:06: Turn around jumper - 17 seconds left on the shot clock, no play, running up the floor going at jackson 1 on 1

1:02: pull up 3 - 6 seconds on the clock, again just staring at nesmith right in front of him and pulling up

0:34: pull up jumper - 17 seconds on the clock, rejects the screen and just pulls up from mid, good contest by nesmith

0:11: catch and shoot 3 - probably the best look out of all of them and it came off an inbounds play

KAT barely touched the ball, mikal barely touched the ball. It is what it is. Anyone trying to sit there acting like JB decision making down the stretch wasn't suspect last night is part of the problem and the reason why JB continues to do this type of stuff.

[Iron Mantis]

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[sol537]

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Brunson gotta learn from the Melo era... way too much hero ball in losses. Trust issues which he learned form his dear old pal Thibs...

[Jeff Van Gully]

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nothing was right last night. the ball movement. the energy. the defense. all ****.

1 of 82, but damn.

[DOT]

chill. we just won 9 out of 10.

We are also missing our best 2 way player

The heart and soul of our team.

The silent stoic leader who sets the tone - leads by example.

So its no surprise they didnt win.

This and the loss to Detroit are just upscale for the OG agenda.

[Meat]

I gotta be honest I have no confidence this team is making the ECF. We still got 30 something games left but I haven't liked the DNA of this years team. We are 'Duncan Robinson' aka soft and timid. You don't see that hunger and toughness. Just look at the postgame interviews. These players don't even look like they care. Heck, we the fans show more of a pulse! They can't wait to swap jerseys and gossip with the opposing players after losses all smiling and ****!

HC Brown has done some good things and a 34-20 record is alright but considering the expectations coming into the season, I cannot say with a straight face that expectations have been reached. We are that student that barely passed the midterm.

Also losing faith in JB. I think we try to fool ourselves into hoping he is that elite level player and leader but I think maybe he's just a Robin and we still do not have a Batman.

With 100% certainly, the knicks will go as far as Robinsons health will allow. They easily beat the pacers last night if he played

[Enzo954]

All I ask is for is more ball movement and less running down the shot clock ISO nonsense from Brunson at the end of quarters. It's so predictable and opposing coaches prep their squad for it. His arrogance is his strength and Achilles heel at the same time. There's a lot of talent on this squad and he has to trust his teammates.

[NYKat]

Bottom line is Coach has to find time for Kolek, I think his skill set is more valuable than both Clarkson and Alvarado

[prophet_of_rage]

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this is how I feel about brunson vs the pacers...his determination is part of what makes Brunson such a dominant offensive player.

But KAT had Potter on him...that has to be the matchup we pick on. Too much down the stretch in the 4th and OT was just Brunson trying to do too much vs there better defenders...sometimes he wasn't even asking for screens and just ISO'ing.

That is always Brunson. This hssbeen his brst year managing it.

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[prophet_of_rage]

Offense is a problem too WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR SECOND BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER A GLORIFIED ROLE PLAYER!!!!

Eh...if we had a second best offensive player and he was getting a huge max for his offense, I would be questioning why he was so dependent on someone else to set him up. Also, why he's also not able to make plays for others instead of blaming someone else. He's getting the big bucks to be dominant on the same level of Embiid and Jokic.

OG Anunoby gets to use that excuse. Mitch does. Josh Hart, yea.

100% this.

Jalen plays like he played since hes here. All of a sudden its a problem.... Our "2nd best player" hides and doesnt want the ball. Ridiculously bad assessment to call brunson a ball hog.

OG has constantly picked up KAT slacking on offense and we dient have that today. The problem was getting 130 from the pacers and nothing else.

It's alwaus been a problem. We just love havung a live pg. Style of play is the real problem.

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[FrozenEnvelope]

I gotta be honest I have no confidence this team is making the ECF. We still got 30 something games left but I haven't liked the DNA of this years team. We are 'Duncan Robinson' aka soft and timid. You don't see that hunger and toughness. Just look at the postgame interviews. These players don't even look like they care. Heck, we the fans show more of a pulse! They can't wait to swap jerseys and gossip with the opposing players after losses all smiling and ****!

HC Brown has done some good things and a 34-20 record is alright but considering the expectations coming into the season, I cannot say with a straight face that expectations have been reached. We are that student that barely passed the midterm.

Also losing faith in JB. I think we try to fool ourselves into hoping he is that elite level player and leader but I think maybe he's just a Robin and we still do not have a Batman.

With 100% certainly, the knicks will go as far as Robinsons health will allow. They easily beat the pacers last night if he played

Mitch can defend all 5 players on defense and prevent 3s?

Last night loss was on HC Brown and JB. I don't think Mitch helps in games where nobody is motivated enough to play defense and are more concerned about their podcasts.

[sol537]

JB also missed like 4 box outs that led to critical offensive rebounds. Lazy.