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Post#201 » by J_Ray » Sun Jan 6, 2008 10:09 pm

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Clearly AK is better (and he should be, he makes, what 4 times as much money?) But Travis is our closest comparison to him, they're both the 3rd best players on their teams. They're both combo forwards who average about 11-12 points and 5-6 boards a game. All of our plays do run through Roy, so the Deron comparison is very very apt. Beating a good team like you guys without Roy is VERY impressive, and you guys missing AK doesn't make that difference up, not even close. Playing without Deron would make up the difference.


AK is a huge part of Utah's team, not only is he the anchor of the defense but he also makes the offense flow better because he's the other playmaker on offense besides Deron. Kirilenko is 2nd on the team in assists with 5 a game, the only shotblocker on the team, and he brings energy to the team with play. Roy only averages 4.5 apg, AK 4.8 apg, Roy just take 7 more shots while AK gives the ball to other to take the shots. AK is nearly the same part of Utah's offense as Roy is for the Blazers, without AK the ball movement gets stag net.
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Post#202 » by farzi » Sun Jan 6, 2008 10:16 pm

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AK is a huge part of Utah's team, not only is he the anchor of the defense but he also makes the offense flow better because he's the other playmaker on offense besides Deron. Kirilenko is 2nd on the team in assists with 5 a game, the only shotblocker on the team, and he brings energy to the team with play. Roy only averages 4.5 apg, AK 4.8 apg, Roy just take 7 more shots while AK gives the ball to other to take the shots. AK is nearly the same part of Utah's offense as Roy is for the Blazers, without AK the ball movement gets stag net.


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Post#203 » by cucad8 » Sun Jan 6, 2008 10:17 pm

You looked at Roy's rebound #s, not his assists. He averages 5.6 assists per game. Regardless of that, no, Kirilenko is not the same to your offense as Roy is to ours. He is your #2 playmaker, but your #3 or even #4 option on offense. Roy is our #1 playmaker, and #1 option on offense. How is that at all similar? I will give you Kirilenko's D being a big part of him as a player, a huge part, and how much of a difference that can make on a team, but these two are not at all the same to eachother's offense.
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Post#204 » by SuigintouEV » Sun Jan 6, 2008 10:31 pm

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Well I can tell you this much, if AK was playing there's no way Webster goes off like he did in that 3rd quarter. And that was obviously the turning point in the game. So it would have made a much bigger difference than you care to admit.


Wasn't AK trying to guard Kobe when Kobe went off for 30 in a quarter?

When a player's in the zone, it's often impossible to defend.
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Post#205 » by Tabasco » Sun Jan 6, 2008 10:39 pm

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Wasn't AK trying to guard Kobe when Kobe went off for 30 in a quarter?

When a player's in the zone, it's often impossible to defend.


Kobe Bryant and Martell Webster are basically the same player so I can see your point.

When will this infestation of Blazer bandwagoners end?? This is worse than playing the Raptors.
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Post#206 » by Effigy » Mon Jan 7, 2008 1:11 am

Good series guys, I hope you have a good season (Especially against Denver). Good luck the rest of the year.
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Post#207 » by Joseph17 » Mon Jan 7, 2008 1:45 am

What happened to Boozer against the Blazers? His fg% was way off. Was it just a bad shooting night?
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Post#208 » by DaVoiceMaster » Mon Jan 7, 2008 5:37 am

I'd like to reiterate what Billy said .... Blazer fans, walk away! Portland won this series this year, but it's a battle every year and I'm sure it will be again next year. Utah is far from dead. I fully expect Utah to pick up their game and make the playoffs. I'm still undecided on whether the Blazers make the playoffs this year or not. Frankly, I don't really care. I'm waiting for next year to arrive. Utah fans, sorry a few Blazer fans have come over here and stirred things up. I believe most Blazer fans respect the Utah Jazz and never take them for granted. Good luck with the remaining season and we'll see ya next year!
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Post#209 » by idajazz » Mon Jan 7, 2008 3:56 pm

After the last few years that the blazer fans have had to suffer through, with all the Jailblazer crap I can forgive them for being a tad over enthusiastic.
I would love to get the Blazers in the playoffs and see how well they do in a 7 game series.
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Post#210 » by Pinot love » Mon Jan 7, 2008 6:36 pm

I've been wanting to respond to my prediction and post in this thread but haven't had time until now. Wow what a thread brought to us by the most frequent game time posters. I hope you read this one too!

loserX wrote:We can still conduct ourselves with respect. It's easy for other people to say we have no class when we post things like "shoot your **** self", isn't it?

Seriously, I'm tired of EVERY SINGLE game thread turning out like this. Everyone is responsible for their own posts no matter what team they're a fan of.

Don't worry...we're on to trolls from other boards who start stuff. Trust me. But PLEASE don't sink to the name-calling, profane level...all that does is get you in trouble too. Just use the "report" function on their posts, and ignore them.


Today, while going through this thread, I was reminded of New York Yankee fans. You have this one group of knowledgeable, respect-deserving fans and then you have another group who ruins their entire teams fan image with horribly disrespectful, thoughtless words. I feel sorry for any of the formerly mentioned Jazz fans who have to read that kind of stuff just to participate in their game thread. I hope they are not discouraged and that they keep posting about one of the most intriguing groups of players and coaching philosophies in the game.

downundernugget wrote:heck even i feel sorry for you Jazz fans on realgm. Having to put up with this crap from Blazer fans after a win :banghead: :crazy:

It's nice their team is winning but with the way they act you would think that some of the fans actually think they are on the team :rofl:

It looks like the NW will be a 3 team race this season which is good for the NBA and good for us fans who enjoy close divisional rivalries.


It's true, many Portland fans are extreme and Blazer basketball is a big part of their lives. Personally, I take it as a positive. And it's not like there aren't Jazz fans out there just as dedicated.

Tabasco wrote:Hey did you know that the Blazers are the 3rd youngest team EVER??!!


I know you're tired of hearing it, but there is an actual fact based reason why it's important - Previously, teams this young have been pitiful. Also, the Blazers age is overrated because Darius Miles doesn't play and Raef LaFrentz hardly plays at all, so really the team is younger than the average age states. The '01 Bulls' oldest player was Fred Hoiberg (28), who played 2000+ minutes. They didn't have similar average age misrepresentative issues. The '54 Bullets are essentially irrelevant, so what you have is in all practicality the youngest core group of players to ever play, a group which is showing itself to be a playoff contender. I'll save your ears of any further youth facts now. :lol:

New Jazzy Nets wrote:Okay im probably one of the biggest outlaw non blazer fan but to say he is even close to AK is a joke. Roy isn't like deron he doesnt run 90% of the plays for his team, he is the off guard that runs them sometimes. Probably more so then blake or jack.


Outlaw is a fair comparison to AK in that they are such extremists. If you watch Outlaw closely, he is in on so many plays with slight deflections and the cause of unwanted shot and path of ballhandler changes, not unlike Kirilenko. Not many players are like them, regardless if Kirilenko is the superior defender.

As it was already stated Roy does run most of the plays for the Blazers. Call him a point SG, or a pass first SG if you will. Typically Blake will take the ball up the court to relieve pressure and energy use from Roy and then Roy will take over.

J_Ray wrote:I sure as hell didn't say we were a top seed with the way we're playing lately. You guys beat Chicago in 2 OT's with a coach still trying to find out what his rotation is going to be, must be fulfilling considering they're sure as hell not a Playoff team right now. When Portland can beat a top team like PHX, SA, DAL, DET, or BOS, get back to me about being legit.

Doesn't matter if you wanted Martell or not, Deron is still #3 pick & Martell was #6 pick....#3>#6


Portland beat Dallas and Detroit back to back.

Any runs of this many wins is significant in any sport. No NBA team to go on a run like the Blazers have has missed the playoffs. It's fair to consider them a playoff contender (not title contender) team at this point.

xstockholmsyndromex wrote:We are now -56 FT differential against the Blazers this year.


The main reason for this is the coaching and playing styles of the teams. Essentially the Jazz foul the most and Portland the least. To say either team had a distinct foul calling advantage in the four game series is inaccurate, both teams seemed to get favorable calls at home.


Jazzfan Bayamon wrote:I loved when the stupid anouncer was talking all about the whole working CJ through the screens, and they showed the replays where the pick moved in ALL OF THEM!!! LOL

If they can't win like this, then they really DO SUCK!!


A Jazz fan going bonkers over moving screens, that one got a big chuckle.

Pinot love wrote:AK's absence will be huge for Utah, as would be Roy's for Portland. If Roy is out there's almost no way Portland wins, though Utah could pull it out with no AK - Portland in a squeaker if Roy plays.

It's a big game in terms of tie-breaking, but with both teams a little beat up and the Jazz not fully gelled with Korver (though does it really take that long for a player like him?) I'm not sure how important it can be in determined future outcomes other than a tie-breaker.


It looks like I was right on one account. The absence of AK was apparent. He totally changes how the Jazz can defend and run the floor.

Even without AK, I can't believe Portland won this game with Roy essentially not playing, though his presence early on had to be big for the team. Great show of leadership and of following it. Whether Martell got open by legal means or not, most of the shots he hit were tough. His show of aggression to counter the intimidation Webster said the Jazz tried to impose in their previous game in Utah, especially the attempted 10-foot dunk on Collins, was rousing to say the least.

At this point in time it's fair the say the Blazers are better than the Jazz, but there is much season to go. I would tend to think a Sloan lead team would come back from a slump like this and hard. Still, it's difficult to say if it will make a large difference. The Jazz did lose two games to Portland in which of their best two players were out, while in one of those games the Jazz third most important player was absent. It's too bad these teams won't meet again later this year and at full strength.
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Post#211 » by maxiep » Mon Jan 7, 2008 7:46 pm

Billy wrote:Blazer fans, please show some good character and just walk away. No reason to start trouble.


Huh? "[S]how some good character"? Reading this thread, I haven't seen any Blazer fan telling someone to shoot themselves or to **** off. The great thing about Real GM (where I rarely post) is that we can easily get the perspective of other teams.

The really sad thing? This board in no way reflects your coach. Do you think Sloan would take all this whining, crying and excuse making? He would acknowledge the Blazers were the better team this year head to head. Live with the pain and prove the Blazers wrong in the playoffs or next year.
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Post#212 » by maxiep » Mon Jan 7, 2008 7:49 pm

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Kobe Bryant and Martell Webster are basically the same player so I can see your point.

When will this infestation of Blazer bandwagoners end?? This is worse than playing the Raptors.


I think it was more referring to a player that was in a zone. It doesn't have to be Kobe. I've seen Rex Chapman go off like that.
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Post#213 » by maxiep » Mon Jan 7, 2008 7:52 pm

joeyyowee wrote:What happened to Boozer against the Blazers? His fg% was way off. Was it just a bad shooting night?


Boozer did it to himself. He could easily own any of the Blazers down low (even Przybilla). He decided that he was going to shoot fadeaway jumpers. Bottom line, he decides to crash the boards and take all his shots to the hoop, that game is a lot closer.
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Post#214 » by maxiep » Mon Jan 7, 2008 7:55 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:I'd like to reiterate what Billy said .... Blazer fans, walk away! Portland won this series this year, but it's a battle every year and I'm sure it will be again next year. Utah is far from dead. I fully expect Utah to pick up their game and make the playoffs. I'm still undecided on whether the Blazers make the playoffs this year or not. Frankly, I don't really care. I'm waiting for next year to arrive. Utah fans, sorry a few Blazer fans have come over here and stirred things up. I believe most Blazer fans respect the Utah Jazz and never take them for granted. Good luck with the remaining season and we'll see ya next year!


Um, yeah. Thanks for your input. Why are you pro-segregation?

One of the great things about Real GM is that you can talk with fans of other teams. Which Blazer fan in here was trolling or being disrespectful to any Jazz fan?

Bottom line, it was a great rivalry in the 90s and it's going to be a great rivalry for the next 10 years. I have a ton of respect for Utah, Sloan and the way they rebuilt after Stockton and Malone and will post in this forum as long as I'm not banned.
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Post#215 » by loserX » Mon Jan 7, 2008 10:35 pm

Fans of any team are welcome to post in this forum. I think the Blazers mods were just asking their posters to not make things worse when they did get bad...just ignore offensive comments and don't sink to that level. A good policy for all RealGM posters.

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