Kings - Pacers

Smills91 · Post #1 » by **Smills91** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:23 am

Kings deal:

Kevin Martin
Mikki Moore
Kenny Thomas
Shareef Abdur-Rahim

Pacers deal:

Jermaine O'Neal
David Harrison
Andre Owens
Stephen Graham

Post #2 » by **KF10** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:41 am

Kings decline... This doesnt makes sense. We signed Martin into a 5 year contract and he is the face of the franchise, so why trade your future?

Cruel_Ruin · Post #3 » by **Cruel_Ruin** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:45 am

No. Not for JO. For Pau, yes, but not JO.

Post #4 » by **KF10** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:49 am

Cruel_Ruin wrote:No. Not for JO. For Pau, yes, but not JO.

Yeah, I willing to trade Martin for Gasol if needed....

Post #5 » by **loserX** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:56 am

I'd be surprised if the Pacers took all of those three additional contracts for JO, particularly since they're all PFs and the Pacers already have a couple of guys they want to get minutes there.

Post #6 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:59 am

Well, this deal really does an awfully amazing job of almost ruining all the value Kevin Martin would hold to the Pacers front office. Taking on SAR or Kenny Thomas to placate Sacramento? Sure, that makes sense. Taking on both, as well as Mikki Moore, that makes it almost financially impossible to do that deal.

Post #7 » by **KF10** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:00 am

loserX wrote:I'd be surprised if the Pacers took all of those three additional contracts for JO, particularly since they're all PFs and the Pacers already have a couple of guys they want to get minutes there.

Yeah, you have to consider that to....But they are willing to trade for Murphy/Dunleavy (Huge contracts), soo.... Only if they could ship their bad contracts on a 3rd team...

chatard5 · Post #8 » by **chatard5** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:00 am

I want Kevin Martin, but I really don't want anymore bad contracts...

Post #9 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:06 am

Is Kevin Martin even able to be traded right now being as he's PPP? His new extension kicks in after the year.

Smills91 · Post #10 » by **Smills91** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:01 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:Well, this deal really does an awfully amazing job of almost ruining all the value Kevin Martin would hold to the Pacers front office. Taking on SAR or Kenny Thomas to placate Sacramento? Sure, that makes sense. Taking on both, as well as Mikki Moore, that makes it almost financially impossible to do that deal.

It's a near straight salary swap though...and yes he signed an extension and is PPP, but this deal works under the ESPN trade checker.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #11 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:39 am

This trade does wonders for Indy. Not only do we add 3 PF's to go with Diogu, Murphy, and Foster. But we also create a log jam at SG with Martin. Martin is clearly a better SG than Dunleavy. But what happens now? We have Granger/Williams/Dunleavy/Daniels/Martin/Rush. On top of creating major log jams, its major log jams with all our money at the same positions for many years. Creates a salary cap nightmare just to put a better player at a very deep position?

Post #12 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:07 am

Smills91 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

It's a near straight salary swap though...and yes he signed an extension and is PPP, but this deal works under the ESPN trade checker.

It fails on the RealGM trade checker, and yeah, on just this year's salary, it works, but Kevin's PPP status is what really throws off this deal.

Martin's outgoing salary for the Kings would be his current $1.8 million, while his incoming value for Indy would be $8.6 million, the average of his current salary and his new contract, thus screwing the pooch on this deal.

OGSactownballer · Post #13 » by **OGSactownballer** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:23 am

We'd be better off bringing Webber back than picking up Jermaine (I play 35 games a year) O'Neal. :banghead:

Bac2Basics · Post #14 » by **Bac2Basics** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:28 am

JO has averaged only 55 games/yr over the last 3 seasons, I think there's serious issues there.

He and Artest didn't get along at all, so putting them back on the same team isn't a good idea.

Kevin's already on the same level with JO and Kevin's on the rise, O'Neal isn't

This is a bad idea for Sacramento.

SacKingZZZ · Post #15 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:24 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:Well, this deal really does an awfully amazing job of almost ruining all the value Kevin Martin would hold to the Pacers front office. Taking on SAR or Kenny Thomas to placate Sacramento? Sure, that makes sense. Taking on both, as well as Mikki Moore, that makes it almost financially impossible to do that deal.

I agree that it really doesn't make any sense. Sac wouldn't request that Indy take on a contract like Kenny's if we were trying to land a piece to help us now. If anything the focus would shift moreso to the vets and Kenny might be more valuable to us from an experience standpoint.

Indy should have a problem taking on Reef though, he'll be back next year and can at least be moved for expirings then. Mikki only has one more guaranteed year after this one so that isn't all that bad either. There simply aren't that many expiring dollars this year around the league so your best bet is to try to dump a bad deal in the process, but do to JO's huge contract that will probably be impossible.

RIPskaterdude · Post #16 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:30 am

Kevin Martin is as good as, and will be BETTER than, JO and Gasol. I see no point in even thinking about trading him, no matter how good Salmons is playing lately.

chatard5 · Post #17 » by **chatard5** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:36 am

I think the point of Sac doing this is to get rid of all those awful contracts, not to get JO...

Crimson King · Post #18 » by **Crimson King** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:48 am

You should simplify trades when possible. For example, this trade works with 2 of SAR/Thomas/Moore with Justin Williams or Douby as filler. For example, Jermaine for Martin/SAR/Thomas/Williams works (best case for the Kings).

Jermaine is a riskier option than Gasol IMO. I haven't seen any Pacers games this season, but it looks like there are some health/age problems with O'Neal, and his FG% is bad. And there's always the Artest-O'Neal problem. I prefer Gasol.

Smills, try a Elton Brand for Kevin Martin deal

Probably is the other all star caliber PF who could be available for Kevin. And it makes more sense for the Clippers taking SAR/Thomas than for the Pacers or the Grizzlies.

Smills91 · Post #19 » by **Smills91** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:52 pm

zar wrote:You should simplify trades when possible. For example, this trade works with 2 of SAR/Thomas/Moore with Justin Williams or Douby as filler. For example, Jermaine for Martin/SAR/Thomas/Williams works (best case for the Kings).

Jermaine is a riskier option than Gasol IMO. I haven't seen any Pacers games this season, but it looks like there are some health/age problems with O'Neal, and his FG% is bad. And there's always the Artest-O'Neal problem. I prefer Gasol.

Smills, try a Elton Brand for Kevin Martin deal Probably is the other all star caliber PF who could be available for Kevin. And it makes more sense for the Clippers taking SAR/Thomas than for the Pacers or the Grizzlies.

Sure, why not! I'll go start that thread! :wink:

Hoops23 · Post #20 » by **Hoops23** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:24 pm

Is Martin better than JO? How huge is the difference for the Pacer to take on the contracts of SAR and K. Thomas?