Postgame: Same ol'

[Bulldog23]

Why is Ben Wallace setting a screen for Gordon...every single time they run that high pick an roll they double Gordon. Gordon got doubled on every play practically. He has to work twice as hard to get a shot up.

I think teams understand that if you double Gordon the Bulls can't score consistently enough to win games.

[DuckIII]

Why is Ben Wallace setting a screen for Gordon...every single time they run that high pick an roll they double Gordon. Gordon got doubled on every play practically. He has to work twice as hard to get a shot up.

I think teams understand that if you double Gordon the Bulls can't score consistently enough to win games.

This is a fair question and an oft-discussed point on this board, but I think it bears mentioning that teams have been throwing a double at Gordon all season long whether there is a pick or not.

Why? Because Gordon can't handle them for ****.

[Red Larrivee]

(picture)

When did Kirk Hinrich take this photo?

[bre9]

The reason why Gordon gets doubled is because Wallace is an absolute ZERO threat on offense. I bet If whe had Gasol out setting a screen for BG teams would not leave Gasol open like they do Wallace.

[antemiogordon]

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When did Kirk Hinrich take this photo?

He was driving the train

[bre9]

Why is Ben Wallace setting a screen for Gordon...every single time they run that high pick an roll they double Gordon. Gordon got doubled on every play practically. He has to work twice as hard to get a shot up.

I think teams understand that if you double Gordon the Bulls can't score consistently enough to win games.

Yup double Gordon is the other teams main concern. They say let's Stop Gordon and we'll worry about Deng later he's not that big of a threat. This team need more scorers surrounding Gordon and Deng.

[Red Larrivee]

The reason why Gordon gets doubled is because Wallace is an absolute ZERO threat on offense. I bet If whe had Gasol out setting a screen for BG teams would not leave Gasol open like they do Wallace.

Bingo. And yet we continue to do it. There's no reason to go back on Wallace he's not doing anything. Double on the best scorer on the team and force a turnover.

This team is in dying need of a scoring 4/5 more than ever. If that's Gasol or Brand or someone setting the pick, then we accomplish so much.

[coldfish]

There was an exchange during the game (3rd quarter) where Gordon had the ball on two straight possessions. The first had Smith set a pick. Gordon got doubled and barely passed out, but Smith hit the open jumper. The very next possession, Wallace set the pick. Gordon got doubled and jacked up a bad shot in desperation.

6:22 Joe Smith makes jumper (Ben Gordon assists) 58-74
6:07 58-76 Marvin Williams makes 19-foot jumper (Josh Childress assists)
5:43 Ben Gordon misses 28-foot three point jumper 58-76

Its not even Ben Wallace's fault. Its pretty conclusive that Joe Smith setting picks is a good idea and Wallace doing it is not. The coaching staff is just hanging the players out to dry when they have Wallace set a pick over Smith.

.....

Game summary:

5:11 9-25 Josh Childress makes free throw 1 of 1

This game was over early.

[Jo Jo English]

So... I'm guessing today was a good day for me to have forgotten the Bulls played?

Yeah, looks like it.

[Ballings7]

Wow, I expected a loss, but not that bad.... made a comeback attempt in the third, early 4th there, but just too much of a hole. Especially against a talented Hawks team at home.

I don't know what's going to happen with this team now.

[pduh01]

WE LOSS!!!! YEAH!!!!! WE ARE THE CHUMPS WE ARE THE CHUMPS WE ARE THE CHUMP!! WE ARE THE CHUMPIONS!!!


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[bre9]

A starting lineup of this does not help the bulls at all this lineup is offensively and challenged.

PG: Duhon
SG: Hinrich
SF: Nocioni
PF: Smith
C: Wallace

Last two games

1st qtr Bulls: 22 pts Hawks: 38 pts

1st qtr In Philly- Bulls: 14 Sixers: 27 pts

When our bench(Gordon and crew) come in they don't have a chance because their down by so much. We clearly need a new line up.

Chris Duhon:

As a starter:
26.5 mpg/ 22 fg%/19% 3p/ 41% FT/ 4.4 apg/ 4 ppg

As a bench player:
21.5 mpg/ 42 fg%/ 39% 3p/ 84 % FT/3.5 apg/ 6 ppg

Awful by Duhon

Ben Wallace: last 10 gms

Wallace is averaging 36.8 mpg and is only getting 9.5 rpg and averaging 4.4 pts.

It's about time to make some switches.

[bullzman23]

We really have to cut our ties with Hinrich. He could probably bring a 6-10 pick back in a trade. He hurts us so badly on offense though. Whatever he brings to the table defensively (which he no longer brings) isn't worth the poor offense. Same can be said about Wallace.

[Clint Eastwood]

A starting lineup of this does not help the bulls at all this lineup is offensively and challenged.

PG: Duhon
SG: Hinrich
SF: Nocioni
PF: Smith
C: Wallace

Last two games

1st qtr Bulls: 22 pts Hawks: 38 pts

1st qtr In Philly- Bulls: 14 Sixers: 27 pts

When our bench(Gordon and crew) come in they don't have a chance because their down by so much. We clearly need a new line up.

Chris Duhon:

As a starter:
26.5 mpg/ 22 fg%/19% 3p/ 41% FT/ 4.4 apg/ 4 ppg

As a bench player:
21.5 mpg/ 42 fg%/ 39% 3p/ 84 % FT/3.5 apg/ 6 ppg

Awful by Duhon

Ben Wallace: last 10 gms

Wallace is averaging 36.8 mpg and is only getting 9.5 rpg and averaging 4.4 pts.

It's about time to make some switches.

i disagree. that is exactly what they would EXPECT us to do. keep the element of surprise on them my friend.

[Bulls_Dynasty6]

In other news, Giants win. And so did the Bolts.

I'm happy.

[bentheredengthat]

The only positive I took from this game is that the Bulls learned that Thabo (a tall guard) handling the ball can pass out of a double team to an open shooter - unlike our other three dinky guards. At least I hope they noticed.

[BR0D1E86]

My summary--

The season


Ben Wallace


Kirk Hinrich


Ben Gordon


Duhon


Noah


Skiles


Luol

[BR0D1E86]

Final summary:

Me after the first quarter

[AKfanatic]

The reason why Gordon gets doubled is because Wallace is an absolute ZERO threat on offense. I bet If whe had Gasol out setting a screen for BG teams would not leave Gasol open like they do Wallace.

I'm willing to bet even if you replace Wallace with Gasol, Ben Gordon would see doubles consistenly. Why? Because he doesn't make good decisions when a double comes. More often than not he picks up his dribble when the double traps him in a corner or he dribbles off his foot at the top of the arc trying to get away from the double. Gordon has shown he can pass on those rare occasions that he breaks down the D and gets in the lane....but he hasn't consistently made passes out of doubles. Even if he where to give it to wallace and make a hard cut to get the ball back things would be better. But he doesn't he usually tries to dribble his way out (bad things happen) or picks up the ball (more bad things happen).

[bentheredengthat]

As I said recently in another thread:

:nonono:





As Forest Gump says "And that's all I got to say about that"