Jerry West to NY???

[knicks742]

Forget how much of an upgrade West would be on the GM front.

The Knicks would finally receive respect. West is a liked person. We wouldn't have GM's not wanting to trade with us because of past history with our GM.

This is a huge point that people overlook. First off, personal feelings do come into play. Isiah is not well liked by many in this league.

Secondly, Isiah has made so many horrible deals that even if he now is ready to take less chances, most GMS probably are reluctant to trade for him and be the guy that got raped by Isiah.

[OrangeandBlue20]

They eagerly await? What in the world is Dolan doing- get rid of Isiah now and hire competent people in important positions. What a concept!

[JoeT]

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This is a huge point that people overlook. First off, personal feelings do come into play. Isiah is not well liked by many in this league.

Secondly, Isiah has made so many horrible deals that even if he now is ready to take less chances, most GMS probably are reluctant to trade for him and be the guy that got raped by Isiah.

Huh? Your logic makes no sense whatsoever. GM's aren't going to avoid deals in their team's best interest just because there's a chance it'll look like Isiah Thomas beat them in a deal down the road. Teams make deals to improve their teams, not to try and show up other GM's or avoid being showed up by other GM's. If anything, GM's would be more eager to trade with someone they think they can take advantage of, because they can get a better deal for their team. It's not a giant pissing contest between GM's with people scared of looking bad.

[BBALLER4FR]

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This is a huge point that people overlook. First off, personal feelings do come into play. Isiah is not well liked by many in this league.

Secondly, Isiah has made so many horrible deals that even if he now is ready to take less chances, most GMS probably are reluctant to trade for him and be the guy that got raped by Isiah.

When has that happened?

Phoenix - Nash has made the Suns a perennial playoff contender after the Marbury trade

Chicago - Immediately after the Crawford trade the Bulls make the playoffs. After trading Eddy Curry they continued to make the playoffs in addition to receiving 2 top 10 picks as a result of the trade.

Portland - The year after Zach gets traded to the Knicks one of the youngest teams has a season start that includes a 13 game win streak

No team has ever been raped as a result of a Isiah Thomas trade.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I would think teams would want to trade with isiah and the knicks because we are so willing to take on bad contracts. Whenever a team has a bad, cancercous contract they want to trade the Knicks are always first on the list to call (Marbury, Francis, Zach).

[Deeeez Knicks]

Either West or Collangello would be great. We need an experienced person to get us outta this mess. I think either would understand what needs to be done here.

[PrecociousNeoph]

I'll believe it when it happens. just fire Isiah before he trades our 1st for T-Mac. Cause I know he's itching to do it

that's my #1 fear right now... he could truly screw us by doing that, and I know that in his twisted mind he believes it would be a good trade

[HellsKitchen]

I'd rather get Colangelo at this point, but I'd be thrilled with either.

[CrazyEyes]

The Knicks would finally receive respect. West is a liked person. We wouldn't have GM's not wanting to trade with us because of past history with our GM.

That's the most important thing. Isiah is a pariah. He has too many enemies. Layden was just a guy who got his job because of his Daddy -- which I'm sure other GMs resented.

[100guns100clips]

Jerry West is "ahem" way past his prime and how may rings does Colangelo have? The NBA is full of over rated has beens. Isiah definitely needs to leave NY - the Zach Randolph deal has been an absolute disaster; This team full of coach killers - Isiah drank the Kool-aid and put his faith in the wrong crew. what a waste this season has turned into.

[Election]

Anyone knows why he left the Grizz if he wasn't serious about retiring?

Most people know he left the Lakers because he didn't get his big paid day like Phil Jackson, why he left the Grizz though?

[Fortinos2008]

Jerry West= Memphis Grizzlies = loser

[moocow007]

While the legend of West is greater than reality it's pretty hard to argue that either guy would be anything less than a tremendous upgrade.

[moocow007]

Anyone knows why he left the Grizz if he wasn't serious about retiring?

Most people know he left the Lakers because he didn't get his big paid day like Phil Jackson, why he left the Grizz though?

If I recall it had something to do with the ownership not willing to spend to win...something ownership in LA didn't have a problem with. An ominous sign perhaps.

[Knox]

Would you want to live in Mempis

Cant blame him for leaving

[Election]

Would you want to live in Mempis

Cant blame him for leaving

Memphis also paid him a record high paycheck to manage that team, he might acquired players people would question about, but he certainly had his version what he wanted, and it worked if Grizz didn't keep running into the Spurs in the playoffs

[mjhp911]

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Dolan's restrictions don't seem to be too tight, based on how long he's kept Isiah. I doubt he'd insist on making the playoffs, he for the most part didn't in Isiah's tenure.

Okay, the restriction is, Dolan is not going to allow a full and total rebuild. You don't agree with that, and I don't agree with you. You've told me all your reasons why, and I've told you all my reasons why. C'est la vie.

[drj]

I think we have to distinguish (i) intentionally rebuilding, from (ii) trying to win but losing anyway.

IMO Dolan doesn't mind (ii) as long as he still sells tickets. He doesn't care about winning and losing per se. He's kept Isiah in part because Isiah has helped him sell tickets. The Isiah-era Knicks have been selling the sucker fans hope and empty promises for the last few years, and it by and large has worked.

But I doubt Dolan would accept (i). He has been very clear that he wants to see butts in the seats. If you feature a roster of underdeveloped youngsters, and stop making splashy offseason trades for overhyped players, then how do you hype the team?

[mjhp911]

I think we have to distinguish (i) intentionally rebuilding, from (ii) trying to win but losing anyway.

IMO Dolan doesn't mind (ii) as long as he still sells tickets. He doesn't care about winning and losing per se. He's kept Isiah in part because Isiah has helped him sell tickets. The Isiah-era Knicks have been selling the sucker fans hope and empty promises for the last few years, and it by and large has worked.

But I doubt Dolan would accept (i). He has been very clear that he wants to see butts in the seats. If you feature a roster of underdeveloped youngsters, and stop making splashy offseason trades for overhyped players, then how do you hype the team?

That's what I've been pointing out to people. Zeke has been able to make us significantly younger, and more talented, but he had to do it in a 'surreptitious' manner. We still had some big names to (supposedly) sell seats. But at the same time, we've become a lot younger. I still feel that's the only way we're getting out of this mess, through the draft. I seriously doubt we can trade for our franchise player, and I doubt even more that we can sign this franchise player. We're gonna' have to draft him. It's a shame that the mix is all wrong, and that few of the parts fit. Because I still feel that Zeke is one of the few who could have brought us out of this mess. It has to be someone with a good eye for young talent (and that's why I didn't think Kiki would work for us).

[drj]

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That's what I've been pointing out to people. Zeke has been able to make us significantly younger, and more talented, but he had to do it in a 'surreptitious' manner. We still had some big names to (supposedly) sell seats. But at the same time, we've become a lot younger. I still feel that's the only way we're getting out of this mess, through the draft. I seriously doubt we can trade for our franchise player, and I doubt even more that we can sign this franchise player. We're gonna' have to draft him. It's a shame that the mix is all wrong, and that few of the parts fit. Because I still feel that Zeke is one of the few who could have brought us out of this mess. It has to be someone with a good eye for young talent (and that's why I didn't think Kiki would work for us).

I agree with most of your points mjhp.

The only part where I disagree is the idea that Zeke can bring us out of this. I think he's proven that he can't construct a roster, make reasonable FA acquisitions, etc. etc. Also I think his eye for young talent is overrated.

But I think the key point of agreement is that we need to find our next franchise player through the draft. Let's just hope we still have our pick by the time the trade deadline comes to a close!