Gary Woeful on WSSP: Redd/T-Mac

[Rockmaninoff]

The concern would be the inclusion of the 2008 first as we were told last week. I'd much prefer to avoid including that although given how the Rockets are clearly offering the superior players the Bucks may not have a choice. It would have to at least be Top 10 protected in my opinion.

That's why we don't need Bonzi Wells in this deal. He isn't worth a 1st round pick, protected or not. I'm saying that as a fan of Bonzi Wells.

[BobbyLight]

If it's on the table, it better happen. I think that people are under valuing McGrady here. When McGrady wants to, he can play in the same atmosphere as Kobe or Lebron. McGrady can play d, can pass, willing to get team mates involed. And if worst comes to worst, and he is hurt all the time, then we got rid of one years of Redd's contract.

If we do this and can find some way to get rid of Gadz I think we'd put ourselves in a great position for the next 2 or 3 years.

[Dags]

For me, it'd hinge on whether we send a pick, and what the protection is. At the moment we're looking at a high pick and I wouldn't want to lose that. If the pick was well protected then I'd be all over the trade, although we'd be a little shallow at the PF position.

[EastSideBucksFan]

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Good point...this may be the best offer.

It doesn't blow things up.....it does bring in a HIGHLY marketable guy for Kohl to sell. Both guys need a change of scenery. We aren't any worse whatsoever with a Redd/T-Mac trade.

Get it done guys!

We'd only have to hope and pray that TMac can stay healthy

Thats the only thing that scares me. Take a look at his games played.

06-07 71 games played
05-06 47 games played
04-05 78 games played
03-04 67 games played
02-03 75 games played
01-02 76 games played



IMO we are getting the more talented player, but we are taking the risk since Tmac's health problems are not problems that go away. He's had major issues with his back.

[Rockmaninoff]

For me, it'd hinge on whether we send a pick, and what the protection is. At the moment we're looking at a high pick and I wouldn't want to lose that. If the pick was well protected then I'd be all over the trade, although we'd be a little shallow at the PF position.

That's why the trade should be this, or nothing at all. No picks required.

[europa]

I really think if we got Wells in the deal it'd make us a very well rounded team. Bonzi Wells is a good player. He rebounds and plays defense. McGrady as we all know is just a flat out better player than Redd. I'm definitely on board.

Yup. To me, Wells is critical. He not only solidifies the wing position and gives the starting lineup a considerable upgrade but including him in the deal also removes Villanueva. It's a win-win for the Bucks. If it can be done without the 2008 first, it's a no-brainer. If the first has to be included, I'd make it a Top 10 protected pick at least.

[BobbyLight]

What about this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

Wells, Mcgrady and Landry for Gadz, CV and Redd. They get a young prospect who is overall more talented then Landry, Redd replaces McGrady's scoring (and nothing else) and for some reason Houston helps us out and takes Gadz while adding Wells. I would add a top ten protected pick to that as well.

[pilprin]

To me this is a no brainer move if it doesn't require a 1st rounder going to Houston.

It looks like additional players would have to be involved to make it happen.

Like someone else said, it might be good for both to have a change of scenery.

Redd with Yao could be dangerous.

[Matt Foley]

I would rather dump Simmons than CV..
Maybe I have a man-crush like Kohl.. but I still have hope left for CV being a productive member of the Bucks.

[EastSideBucksFan]

I would rather dump Simmons than CV..
Maybe I have a man-crush like Kohl.. but I still have hope left for CV being a productive member of the Bucks.

I second your sentiments

I'd rather not CV was in there.

[Rockmaninoff]

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Yup. To me, Wells is critical. He not only solidifies the wing position and gives the starting lineup a considerable upgrade but including him in the deal also removes Villanueva. It's a win-win for the Bucks. If it can be done without the 2008 first, it's a no-brainer. If the first has to be included, I'd make it a Top 10 protected pick at least.

Wells is not critical. He isn't going to make or break anything. Giving up a 1st round pick, protected or not, is ludicrous. Why is he critical when McGrady can play the 3? When we have Mason to back up the 2 and 3? Wells might solidify the position this year, but do you want to pay him to come back the next? He is 6'5'' by the way. He is stout, but I wouldn't say he is solid.

Villanueva has more value than you think. The guy could start on a couple of teams, and be the 6th man on a lot more. He shouldn't be a throw in on this deal, especially if we have to give up a 1st round pick.

[showtimesam]

I would rather dump Simmons than CV too....
But we're getting T-MAC

I say we take this trade if its out there immediately. Now Bobby can be the 6th man for this season, and if he shows progress maybe the bucks can skip on resigning wells and move simmons back into the starting lineup alongside t-mac next season.

[midranger]

Just say no to Bonzi Wells.

The very definition of a selfish, lazy, contract year player. Bringing him to a team where he feels no connection or sense of obligation to either the organization or teammates would be a complete disaster. Like this nice little run that Bogut is on? Well, forget about it. Bonzi **** Wells will be taking all those post opportunities. If not, he'll bitch about it. Because that's who he is. He plays basketball with the sole motivation of making money.

Fatter, more selfish, less athletic, worse defense playing version of Ruben Patterson.

No thanks.

[Badgerlander]

While I think that Tracy is a more talented player than Redd when healthy, I believe Redd has more value because of it. I also think that CV has a lot of potential and is way more valuable than Wells. I like Wells but he's had injuries and he's a head case. I don't think Larry can handle him. If anyone should include a 1st round pick it should be the Rockets. I think we can do way better than this. I would only be willing to do Redd for Tracy straight up. I think teams like GS, Memphis, Phoenix would love to have CV on their roster and there just aren't a lot of PF out there on the market that have his potential, don't give him away for nothing.

[paulpressey25]

Given that Bobby and Bell have been playing better the past two weeks since this rumor started, I'd like to start at an even up swap of Redd for T-Mac and see where that gets us.

I love Wells, but don't want to give up that future #1.

[-Jragon-]

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Good point...this may be the best offer.

It doesn't blow things up.....it does bring in a HIGHLY marketable guy for Kohl to sell. Both guys need a change of scenery. We aren't any worse whatsoever with a Redd/T-Mac trade.

Get it done guys!

We'd only have to hope and pray that TMac can stay healthy

Thats the only thing that scares me. Take a look at his games played.

06-07 71 games played
05-06 47 games played
04-05 78 games played
03-04 67 games played
02-03 75 games played
01-02 76 games played



IMO we are getting the more talented player, but we are taking the risk since Tmac's health problems are not problems that go away. He's had major issues with his back.

We are taking a risk keeping Redd here also. If this is your only concern, rest assured. Here are Redd's games played.

Year Team G
2000-01 MIL 6
2001-02 MIL 67
2002-03 MIL 82
2003-04 MIL 82
2004-05 MIL 75
2005-06 MIL 80
2006-07 MIL 53

[Balls2TheWalls]

What about this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

Wells, Mcgrady and Landry for Gadz, CV and Redd. They get a young prospect who is overall more talented then Landry, Redd replaces McGrady's scoring (and nothing else) and for some reason Houston helps us out and takes Gadz while adding Wells. I would add a top ten protected pick to that as well.

This may just be me being a Purdue homer, but I don't think Landry for Gadz is a good deal for the Rockets. Landry has a lot of talent around the basket, and plays a very controlled game. Also, his contract is very good. He may not be a great player now, but he has the tools to be a solid role player on a very good team. I don't see the Rockets throwing Landry in.

[EastSideBucksFan]

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Ummmm that didn't prove any point, if there was one.


Except the 01-02 year which Redd was just a bench contributor and last years freak injury. Redd has been the picture of health.

TMac has health problems and has been missing games for 5 years now.

[Andrewoc83]

Would you guys say this is too far of a stretch? What about the interest of such a trade to the 200 million basketball fans in China?

T-Mac is very popular there, and I've heard Redd is growing popular too - if they both remain aside their Chinese teammates, could that have been somewhat of a factor? Or maybe a business factor for the T-mac camp or Redd camp to express their interest?

I personally don't think the trade will happen, and I would welcome it, but my mind has been wandering and I wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts about this dynamic.

[TripleDouble]

the question now should be ...who voted no?