ORL/CHI (Take 2)

[Cammo101]

Orlando Trade Breakdown

Change in Team Outlook: +1.0 ppg, +3.3 rpg, and -0.4 apg.

Incoming Players

Adrian Griffin
6-5 SG / SF from Seton Hall
1.9 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 7.1 minutes

Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
5.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.8 apg in 23.0 minutes

Joe Smith
6-10 PF from Maryland
10.7 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes

Outgoing Players

Keyon Dooling
6-3 PG from Missouri
8.1 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 1.7 apg in 18.4 minutes

Pat Garrity
6-9 PF from Notre Dame
2.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 12.5 minutes

Carlos Arroyo
6-2 PG from Florida International
6.6 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 3.6 apg in 19.2 minutes

2008 2nd round pick

Chicago Trade Breakdown

Change in Team Outlook: -1.0 ppg, -3.3 rpg, and +0.4 apg.

Incoming Players

Keyon Dooling
6-3 PG from Missouri
8.1 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 1.7 apg in 18.4 minutes

Pat Garrity
6-9 PF from Notre Dame
2.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 12.5 minutes

Carlos Arroyo
6-2 PG from Florida International
6.6 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 3.6 apg in 19.2 minutes

2008 2nd round pick

Outgoing Players

Adrian Griffin
6-5 SG / SF from Seton Hall
1.9 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 7.1 minutes

Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
5.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.8 apg in 23.0 minutes

Joe Smith
6-10 PF from Maryland
10.7 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes

[bullzman23]

Joe Smith has averaged 17 and 7 over his past 10 under the new coach. I don't see much of an incentive for the Bulls to do this trade.

[HotSpurs21]

you won't pry Smith out of the Bulls' hands unless you can give the Bulls an upgrade at the big man department, especially on the offensive end

In a larger deal with Bulls using Smith as a filler to get someone like Gasol, you may be able to take advantage and as a 3rd/4th team in the deal snap Smith for your expirings

but for a straight up trade with the Bulls, you have to do better than this to get Joe Smith

[Cammo101]

I was under the assumption Chicago knew they were out of the mix and were going to let the young guys play and rebuild on the fly. These expirings are a much better throw in to a Gasol trade than Joe Smith would be. He would serve no purpose on the Griz.

[HotSpurs21]

^ and you have to at least include a 1st in the offer. Smith does have value as a player.

[Cammo101]

^ and you have to at least include a 1st in the offer. Smith does have value as a player.

Not to Chicago. No way Orlando, or anyone, gives up a first for him.

[bullzman23]

I was under the assumption Chicago knew they were out of the mix and were going to let the young guys play and rebuild on the fly. These expirings are a much better throw in to a Gasol trade than Joe Smith would be. He would serve no purpose on the Griz.

They're not out of the mix by any means to be honest.

But still, I don't see any real incentive here. It's not like Smith and Griffin are bad contracts that would stop a Gasol deal from happening. Next season they will be expiring contracts. If there is a Grizz-Bulls deal strike a deal I seriously doubt that Smith's one year deal will prevent a trade.

Honestly, this deal looks more like the Bulls are really bad so lets make the Magic better type of deal. There needs to be a clear advantage to the Bulls doing this.

[bullzman23]

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Not to Chicago. No way Orlando, or anyone, gives up a first for him.

Smith doesn't have value to Chicago?

[Cammo101]

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Smith doesn't have value to Chicago?

He is old and they are bad. So, no, he doesn't. He is making a bad team better and taking time away from 2 young bigs. He is counter productive.

[bullzman23]

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He is old and they are bad. So, no, he doesn't. He is making a bad team better and taking time away from 2 young bigs. He is counter productive.

Yeah, trading him may in the end be for the best if it means that Thomas and Noah develop because of it, but that doesn't mean they're going to do Orlando any favors.

Smith has been nothing short of awesome this season. They're not in a hurry to trade him. He definitely has value. Go to the Bulls board and post this trade.

[loserX]

He is old and they are bad. So, no, he doesn't. He is making a bad team better and taking time away from 2 young bigs. He is counter productive.

Then they can just bench him. He has only one more year than Garrity, whom they would also be benching. Chicago can either get a better return for him now than Garrity, or include him in a helpful package next year when he's an expiring.

[Cammo101]

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Then they can just bench him. He has only one more year than Garrity, whom they would also be benching. Chicago can either get a better return for him now than Garrity, or include him in a helpful package next year when he's an expiring.

Unless, like is being reported, they are looking to package now. If this is the case then Garrity's (or any) expiring would be much more valuable to the Griz in a Gasol deal than an aging vetarn they have no place for.

[bullzman23]

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Unless, like is being reported, they are looking to package now. If this is the case then Garrity's (or any) expiring would be much more valuable to the Griz in a Gasol deal than an aging vetarn they have no place for.

Why? Let's assume that a trade goes down at the deadline. If that happens, then Smith will have value as an expiring contract the next season. Garrity's value would only be that it comes off of the books. You've given no real incentive for why the Bulls should make this deal other than it may make for a slightly more attractive offer to the Grizzlies. That's not a very strong reason. If the Bulls and Grizzlies decide to make a trade I find it very difficult to believe that Joe Smith will be the reason that it won't happen.

[loserX]

Unless, like is being reported, they are looking to package now. If this is the case then Garrity's (or any) expiring would be much more valuable to the Griz in a Gasol deal than an aging vetarn they have no place for.

Well, then, you might want to present this as part of a 3-way deal for Gasol. Because as it stands right now they're giving away a useful vet for Pat Garrity.