Am I the only one that doesnt want Pau?

[molepharmer]

If getting Gasol means we continue to ride Mr. Wallace for 35 a game you can count me out. After a few months we'll be clamoring for KG because Pau is too soft to pair with Ben.....

Finally, it looks like somebody else has the same concerns I brought up back on page 3.

Would the Bulls organization bench Wallace upon the acquistion of Gasol ?

[iceman76]

I believe that if the bulls go after Gasol with Nocioni and Thomas as the main components in a package deal then we would follow that up with a Ben Wallace/Larry Hughes deal with the Cavs

Gasol/Gray/Noah
Smith/Noah
Deng/Sefelosha
Hughes/Gordon/Sefelosha
Hinrich/Gordon/Hughes

A solid rotation

[SuburbanOasis]

I'm not the biggest Gasol fan in the world, but he is definitely a better option than anyone else on our team at PF or C.

Amare would be nice, but let's be honest, it is incredibly unlikely that he gets moved. He is the future of the Suns, and Nash can't last forever.

More likely is that Matrix gets moved, and I'm not sure he is really the answer for our team being that he is like everyone else. Works well off the ball when shots are created for him, but can't create a lot on his own. Since no one on our team is good at creating shots, seems like that is a poor fit to me.

[Dieselbound&Down]

well isnt pau supposed to be a superstar big man arent those guys supposed to help a lot to produce wins. I think its realistic to hold an "allstar" post player accountable for how his team performs. He is supposed to make things easier for everyone. Now the same caant really be said for the other positions on the court because the cant have as much offensive and defensive impact.

You have a valid point but I think you are overstating it. Big men generally do help teams put up wins. Maybe Pau isn't quite the *star* some think. However, even all time great big men such as Lew Alcindor and Moses Malone were dumped off of teams that were really pretty bad. Pau isn't those two but I don't think anybody knows for sure the impact he can have if surrounded by some good players.

I would do Morton's swap and I think it makes sense to both teams.

[tclg]

Well yeah I am overstating it mainly because I just dont think he is a big man you can build a championship around.

[Drellberg]

I know of many trades that have left the bulls markedly worse off. I know of none that have made them much better. What makes folks think that the bulls will come out ahead on any of this?

Everyone thinks that trades are the way to improve this team. I see some prospects for shoring up the roster via consolidations (the bulls have too many players now warranting PT), but the notion that they're going to give away not so much and get a ton back in return is fantasy.

I want Pax to be patient, to drive a hard bargain, and to walk if necessary before giving up anything in trades.

The key to the bulls becoming contenders is for all players on the roster to begin playing as in year past, and for one of their young ones to blow up. The bulk of the bulls' talent is under the age of 25, so there is a ton of upside that we don't yet know about on this team.

Gasol is coming up on 28 years old and hasn't taken his team anywhere. Yea, it would be great to have him. But as others have said, he ain't all that.

I say no, because the risk of the bulls doing something truly stupid is too great.

[GrizzledGrizzFan]

An interesting note on Pau's play of late is that since Conley's been handed the starter's role (since the beginning of January) at point Pau's averaged 24 pts, 11.4 boards, 2 Blocks and shot 53% from the field.

[tclg]

so a good point guard who can distribute actually helps big men gee

[GrizzledGrizzFan]

so a good point guard who can distribute actually helps big men gee

Seems like a no brainer to me too, but it looks like there are some folks here that aren't aware of that and/or his recent production...

[DuckIII]

I know of many trades that have left the bulls markedly worse off. I know of none that have made them much better. What makes folks think that the bulls will come out ahead on any of this?

I agree with your post. I think its excellent. But I wanted to note that Luol Deng, Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah were all acquired in trade.

Tyrus remains a difficult one to figure out and time will tell. But I'm very happy to have Deng and Noah on the roster. I think the idea that Paxson hasn't made any good trades is, to put it mildly, overstated on this board.

[ATRAIN53]

hell are u smokin' bud LOL

not right now

If you believe that we have a guy who could produce like Pau on the roster already, why would you then trade Luol Deng to get Pau. Why wouldn't you just advocate keeping Deng and playing Gray?

i think that's what i was tryign to say here originally-

i just don't see where he fits in with Wallace and Gray. Memphis isn't going to want Wallace so 2 CTRs at 15-20mil per year on Paxsons roster?

i don't see it.

the Bulls don't even play a legit post game to get the ball to a guy like Gasol.

if they did Gray has shown that he is capable of playing the post. who says he can't be a Gasol if you give him minutes.

but i would trade him for Deng if that was on the table.

[waffle]

Boy would I like to see 5-7 games of TT getting 25 minutes. Boylan can SCREAM at him during every time out, fine, but get him the minutes.

I suspect even if he fails there would be a team out there that would take a chance on him (in a trade). Every GM thinks he is smarter than every other GM. Every head coach thinks he can coach better and get more out of his players....We might not get full value, but right now we are getting NOTHING out of him.

It's like going out of your way to buy a sports car and never driving it...

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Boy would I like to see 5-7 games of TT getting 25 minutes. Boylan can SCREAM at him during every time out, fine, but get him the minutes.

I suspect even if he fails there would be a team out there that would take a chance on him (in a trade). Every GM thinks he is smarter than every other GM. Every head coach thinks he can coach better and get more out of his players....We might not get full value, but right now we are getting NOTHING out of him.

It's like going out of your way to buy a sports car and never driving it...

Co-rect-a-mun-do. Give him 25 and lets see what happens. Maybe he falls flat on his face, but at least then we'll know. He got good consistent minutes to start the year and he did well. Now he's a fucting afterthought and it is an absolute waste.

[topper09]

I dont want gasol. I rather keep what we have. His team isnt any better than ours right now

[Red Larrivee]

Gasol will be 28 this year right? Thats a good 5 to 6 year window with him. Just would depend on what we can build off of that after.

[Freestyle177]

For anyone who thinks Memphis is far worse than the Bulls, why don't you imagine the Bulls competing in their division out West. We would have a lottery pick for sure (hell, we might have one this year playing in the East).

I'd do a trade for Gasol, but I wouldn't give up Noah, Gordon, Deng, or Hinrich. I may give up Thabo, but only if we're getting Miller back in that deal.

Tyrus deserves more playing time, but I don't feel sorry for him, nor do I blame management. Joe Smith is playing way better than him, and when that happens, expect to see a lot of the bench. This should give him a little extra motivation going into the summer. The NBA isn't a place for fairness, its a place for competition. Tyrus isn't competing at a high enough level. Even Noah is playing better than him.

If you look for the video of draft day when Paxson traded for Tyrus, you could see Pax CLEARLY state that it would be "a bit of a process" when talking about the development of Tyrus Thomas, and there were a few sprinkles of sarcasm in his tone. He's shown he is a world class athlete, but it still looks like he needs a little more bulk and a lot more strength. Unfortunately, I don't see him developing into a consistent force on offense and defense for at least two more summers.

However, I am very happy we have him, although it will be an agonizing wait for him to reach an elite levele. We didn't wait for Chandler, and that might come back to bite us.

[hard49]

Pau Gasol is still better than everyone on the Bulls roster.

What happened to all those guys on the verge of "breaking out"?

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Pau Gasol is still better than everyone on the Bulls roster.

Not a whole hell of alot of people arguing against that. Hence the "multiple Bulls players and picks for Pau" trades you're seeing.

What happened to all those guys on the verge of "breaking out"?

They've got the clap. Thanks for stopping by. I'll see you over on the memphis board.

[robg]

I would do it, but could we switch Deng with Gordon and a protected #1?

It would be easier to replace Deng w/ Noc. We have no one to replace gordon's scoring/outside shooting, starting or off the bench.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

It would be easier to replace Deng w/ Noc. We have no one to replace gordon's scoring/outside shooting, starting or off the bench.

Uh... Duhon?