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Sessions report on DraftExpress, D-League showcase 

Post#1 » by Whiteman » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:23 am

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-D-League-Showcase,-Day-Four/

Ramon Sessions really struggled with the way he played today. On the offensive end, he was content with pounding the ball into the floor for the majority of the shot-clock rather than creating ball movement in the Tulsa offensive sets. This led the rookie into a number of difficult low-percentage shots off the dribble. From behind the 3-point line, he shows good vision and solid play-making ability, but he lacks the same vision on his drives to the basket
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Post#2 » by bigballajohn » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:22 pm

i hope he gets called back soon
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Post#3 » by oshmeehan » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:48 pm

He's had some real good games this season, here are some of them:

28 points, 13 assists, 4 rebounds, 3 steals
16 points, 18 assists, 4 rebounds, 2 steals
15 points, 10 assists, 9 rebounds
various other games with 15-20 points, and 6-8 rebounds and assists


In 14 of 20 games he's had 5 or more assists and in 15 of 20 games has had 5 or more rebounds
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Post#4 » by MickeyDavis » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:52 pm

At some point he needs to get up here and play. It's not like we're going anywhere this season, let him get some NBA action.
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Post#5 » by emunney » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:08 pm

It shouldn't be a foregone conclusion that "at some point he needs to get up here and play." In truth, he might never be deserving of NBA court time.

First, he needs to distinguish himself from his fellow D-Leaguers and show more than spotty evidence that he can outplay the guys ahead of him on the depth chart. Right now, the D-League is the best place for him. I like Ramon, but he's not better than Bell, Ivey, Mo or Redd, and he's the only one of them who's eligible for the D-League. It's mutually beneficial to keep him gaining game experience there.
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Post#6 » by Bucks_Revenge » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:09 pm

The only way he is going to get better is when he plays in an actual NBA game. playing in the D-League I don't think will improve his game that much because as longest he is still putting up GREAT stats in the D-League he wont feel he has to improve to much.
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Post#7 » by MickeyDavis » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:11 pm

emunney wrote:It shouldn't be a foregone conclusion that "at some point he needs to get up here and play." In truth, he might never be deserving of NBA court time.



We have a team going nowhere. We have two very expensive guards. I'd love to see what he can, and can't do, at the NBA level. He may be a bust but what the hell do we have to lose right now.
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Post#8 » by EastSideBucksFan » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:12 pm

Bucks_Revenge wrote:The only way he is going to get better is when he plays in an actual NBA game. playing in the D-League I don't think will improve his game that much because as longest he is still putting up GREAT stats in the D-League he wont feel he has to improve to much.


He doesn't deserve any playing time at this point.


We are still technically in this thing, until it gets to the point where we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, I don't expect him on the roster.

If we are completely out of it, give him some burn in the last 10 games or so.
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Post#9 » by europa » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:42 pm

emunney wrote:It shouldn't be a foregone conclusion that "at some point he needs to get up here and play." In truth, he might never be deserving of NBA court time.

First, he needs to distinguish himself from his fellow D-Leaguers and show more than spotty evidence that he can outplay the guys ahead of him on the depth chart. Right now, the D-League is the best place for him. I like Ramon, but he's not better than Bell, Ivey, Mo or Redd, and he's the only one of them who's eligible for the D-League. It's mutually beneficial to keep him gaining game experience there.


I agree with all this but MD has a point that very soon we'll officially be at the point where the season is lost so we might as well see what he can do. I'd be fine with trading Mo and bringing up Sessions in a reserve role and see what he can do in the second half of the season. He's clearly raw but his skill set remains damn intriguing in my opinion.
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Post#10 » by MickeyDavis » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:54 pm

Yes we are "technically" still in it but come on, does anyone think this is a playoff team?
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Post#11 » by Whiteman » Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:38 pm

2.5 games out of 8th place with 42 games to go, isn't it a bit early to call it quits?
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Post#12 » by Ayt » Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:59 pm

Whiteman wrote:2.5 games out of 8th place with 42 games to go, isn't it a bit early to call it quits?


It is funny how bad the east is. One great week followed by the same **** we've seen all season and we probably get in.
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Post#13 » by Ill-yasova » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:51 pm

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He doesn't deserve any playing time at this point.


We are still technically in this thing, until it gets to the point where we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, I don't expect him on the roster.

If we are completely out of it, give him some burn in the last 10 games or so.

Neither do Gadz or Simmons, but they get to play.
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Post#14 » by emunney » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:04 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Yes we are "technically" still in it but come on, does anyone think this is a playoff team?


I do, but ask me again in 10 games.
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Post#15 » by Nebula1 » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:47 pm

What difference does it make if we're in the playoff hunt or not? The idea is to get him up so he can learn the offense and to play with his teammates.

I'm hoping Ramon Sessions has more long term value to us than Royal Ivey does.

Also, I wouldn't mind seeing Mo Williams traded, which would require Ramon to play and play well.

Mo Williams + Bobby Simmons for Ron Artest and Kenny Thomas.
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Post#16 » by redd022 » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:45 pm

Nebula1 wrote:What difference does it make if we're in the playoff hunt or not? The idea is to get him up so he can learn the offense and to play with his teammates.

I'm hoping Ramon Sessions has more long term value to us than Royal Ivey does.

Also, I wouldn't mind seeing Mo Williams traded, which would require Ramon to play and play well.

Mo Williams + Bobby Simmons for Ron Artest and Kenny Thomas.


i was saying this same thing a couple weeks ago, but mo williams is playing outstanding. We need to keep mo, bogut, and yi

get rid of redd for a SF, then put mo at SG and let ivey and sessions get time at PG with bell switching off between SG and PG
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Re: Sessions report on DraftExpress, D-League showcase 

Post#17 » by MilBucksBackOnTop06 » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:18 am

Whiteman wrote:http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-D-League-Showcase,-Day-Four/

Ramon Sessions really struggled with the way he played today. On the offensive end, he was content with pounding the ball into the floor for the majority of the shot-clock rather than creating ball movement in the Tulsa offensive sets. This led the rookie into a number of difficult low-percentage shots off the dribble. From behind the 3-point line, he shows good vision and solid play-making ability, but he lacks the same vision on his drives to the basket
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Re: Sessions report on DraftExpress, D-League showcase 

Post#18 » by Rockmaninoff » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:18 pm

MilBucksBackOnTop06 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

One scout's view can be skewed.
Perhaps Ramon he is playing with bad players wo don't move to get open...
It can be many things...I want more then one opinion. I wish I could go see him myself.
I can come back with a better assessment on whether he would be better then Mo and complement Ivey.


From what I've seen, Sessions has the potential to be a more talented Charlie Bell (better natural point guard skills, same streaky shooting, and good defense). So, he would complement Ivey well (as does Bell), and would thus be better for this team then Mo Williams (who only complements anyone well, on this team, at the scoring guard position). If we moved Mo Williams, we would still have Bell as an inexpensive utility man, in the event that Sessions passes him on the depth chart. I have faith in Ivey as being the right guy for a Redd, Yi, and Bogut led team.
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Post#19 » by Wade-A-Holic » Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:08 pm

Am I the only one who thinks the D-League is counter-productive for some players? It's no secret that the league is dominated by guard play, many of whom score 20+ points per game. For a point guard, I'd much rather have him learning the system and playing with his real teammates in practice than playing in a different system in a league who's culture is dominated by guards who try to do too much. It seems like a breeding ground for bad habits. I say this realizing that the D-League has been very good for some players and there are definitely success stories. I'm just saying that, in this case, it seems like Sessions is turning into a different type of player than we hoped he would be solely based on how games are typically played in that league.

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