Kwame's Teammates Defend Him......Didn't Like The Boos

[DEEP3CL]

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I don't think I missed the point of your thread I think you missed the point of what I'm saying. I'm no "youngster" and to prove it I'll say your picture came from a movie that had Bruce Lee in it that I saw in the theatre. One of my all time favorite movies.

You lead with this: "After thinking about it and reading the papers I'll say that last night the Laker fans at Staples really showed their low life asses last night." You called out every Laker fan that booed Kwame. I know that Kwame plays worse when booed and plays better when cheered. That's not the point. The point is we have coached, mentored, trained Kwame for 3 years. He has not gotten better and refused training from Kareem (your before a fight picture is good). Kwame will not get any better from coddling him. I will never cheer this p*ssy and no Laker fan should ever do this either. He doesn't get it and never will. Its time to say "You either shape up and do your job or you are fired." That is the point. I tell Kwame that if he pulls this BS in our next game Donald Trump will meet him after the game.

Ok Mindflayer point taken I understand where your coming from better now. By the way Game Of Death is one of my favorite Bruce Lee movies, didn't mean the "youngster " shot to be personal it's just that most of the guys here really show their age with their post comments some time. I do agree with your assessment of Kwame overall. He does need to step up, he knows this team needs him in a big way. I don't get it either on why he won't accept what Kareem has to give. Doesn't he see the results first hand with what Drew is doing ? One day he'll regret the lessons he could have learned from Cap.

[8'sReverse]

Fans can show how they feel in only a limited number of ways. Cheer. Or boo. Or chant for tacos.

It's true though. Kwame has to accept the fact that the fans understand who he is and what he's capable of and how he chooses to perform. Kwame gets paid more per year than a third of the US... he needs to wipe those tears and start working his ass off to get better.

[Tommy Trojan]

Fans can show how they feel in only a limited number of ways. Cheer. Or boo. Or chant for tacos.

Very well said

[Showtime:Part2]

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They traded for Thomas to get the cap relief. They want it to got to waste. And they want to put a product on the court that makes the fans come back. Swaping contracts and getting back Kwame wont help that and they are not going to do that for 3 million in cash and a 2nd. Why would they?

They are stacked with centers for the future. They have a young supertar. They might move. They know they are not winning anything.

They are not going to get worse to get a 2nd rounder.

because kwame's an expiring too. except now the seattle owner gets cash and a 2nd rounder. why is it so hard to understand that just an expiring<expiring+cash+2nd rounder. they don't need to resign kwame, they can cut him or keep him through the end of the season.

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There is no doubt about that, but the same applies to other players on our team. How has Odom improved? Walton? Kwame isn't the only one whose been a disappointment this season.

The original point behind all this is that we struggled as a team these past 2 games, and yet we're taking it out on one player in a bad manner that is detrimental to the attitude of the team as a whole. Odom, Fisher, and Walton have all struggled offensively these past couple of games, and their defense has been nothing short of awful.

I'd personally prefer that we all support the team as it is and let things work themselves out. If Kwame doesn't perform, rest assured that it's going to be taken into consideration by management. Booing, IMO, has a negative affect on the entire team (not just Kwame), so it doesn't really help improve our situation.

lies. odom has improved his shooting percentage dramatically and his rebounding. plus he's clutch in the playoffs. walton has improved his shot since being drafted.

kwame has not improved ONE thing since being drafted.

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Great post, all the emo's on the board almost had me feeling sorry for Kwame.

lolz

[Lost Angel]

im sick and tired of Kwame. I am so glad the Laker fans at Staples boo'd him. He has been in the league for so long. The fans don't ever pressure Kwame. The one time they do he failed big time. Andrew Bynum, at 20 years old, faced more pressure this season than Kwame faced and he played spectacular.



BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO KWAAAAAAAME

[LLcoleJ]

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because kwame's an expiring too. except now the seattle owner gets cash and a 2nd rounder. why is it so hard to understand that just an expiring<expiring+cash+2nd rounder. they don't need to resign kwame, they can cut him or keep him through the end of the season.

I understand the deal. I would bet that the owner, GM and coach would rather have Thomas this year to put a competive product on the floor.

Does that mean they wouldnt trade Thomas? No. But just to get a little cash and a second rounder? Highly unlikely.

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I understand the deal. I would bet that the owner, GM and coach would rather have Thomas this year to put a competive product on the floor.

Does that mean they wouldnt trade Thomas? No. But just to get a little cash and a second rounder? Highly unlikely.

why not? its a business? and the sonics are not competitive, regardless of whether thomas is on that team. they are terrible.

[LLcoleJ]

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why not? its a business? and the sonics are not competitive, regardless of whether thomas is on that team. they are terrible.

You are right its a business. And they make more money when the team plays better. Not saying the Sonics are going to win anything and maybe they want to move Thomas maybe not, but not for Kwame.

Regardless if they cut him. They get the same relief with or without Kwame.

That being said.. when teams add cash to the deal its not a side deal. There is still salary cap implications, they are about 63 million any more salary would put them in the luxury tax.

Again, highly unlikely just do all this for a 2nd rounder. Because at the end of the day, that is what they would get.

Kwame's only value is his contract so our trading partners are limited because he doesnt have much value beyond that.


as an aside, I dont see the Sonics helping the Lakers if it doesnt really help SEA. They are still a conference rival.

[tkb]

Booing one of the players on the team you root for every time he touches the ball should almost be reason enough to get season tickets revoked IMO. Total classless move, and I agree with what Kobe said: if you're going to boo Kwame like that, stay at home instead.

Having said that, Kwame needs to step up now (as does a couple others, Luke in particular).

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Booing one of the players on the team you root for every time he touches the ball should almost be reason enough to get season tickets revoked IMO. Total classless move, and I agree with what Kobe said: if you're going to boo Kwame like that, stay at home instead.

Having said that, Kwame needs to step up now (as does a couple others, Luke in particular).

kobe has been booed in LA before when he touched the ball (beg of the season). you didn't see him whine and complain. that's why we love him, he's tough. if you can't take it, you don't have the mental fortitude to be an NBA player.

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You are right its a business. And they make more money when the team plays better. Not saying the Sonics are going to win anything and maybe they want to move Thomas maybe not, but not for Kwame.

Regardless if they cut him. They get the same relief with or without Kwame.

That being said.. when teams add cash to the deal its not a side deal. There is still salary cap implications, they are about 63 million any more salary would put them in the luxury tax.

Again, highly unlikely just do all this for a 2nd rounder. Because at the end of the day, that is what they would get.

Kwame's only value is his contract so our trading partners are limited because he doesnt have much value beyond that.


as an aside, I dont see the Sonics helping the Lakers if it doesnt really help SEA. They are still a conference rival.

if the cash they receive (and i know it's not a side deal)>marginal revenue from 1-5 more wins, then the owner profits. i'm just going to stop arguing this. as someone who's very financially geared, I would do this trade in a heartbeat as the sonics owner. btw, that cash they receive doesn't count as salary, i think. even if it does, you're still getting something. and its not just the 2nd rounder, but also the money.

howard shultz is the ceo of starbucks and his stock has done terrible. furthermore, the sonics are a money losing operation right now. i'm sure he wouldn't mind shipping thomas out for some cash.

[LLcoleJ]

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if the cash they receive (and i know it's not a side deal)>marginal revenue from 1-5 more wins, then the owner profits. i'm just going to stop arguing this. as someone who's very financially geared, I would do this trade in a heartbeat as the sonics owner. btw, that cash they receive doesn't count as salary, i think. even if it does, you're still getting something. and its not just the 2nd rounder, but also the money.

IF you say that its not a side deal... yet you then say cash doesnt count against the Cap. You were right on one of those.
However, the team wont risk going over the luxury tax.

SEA is a very competitve team in the sense is they play hard they just have enough. The fans are stoked with Durant and the team will make more money filling seats then getting a couple million. You can make money and suck. You cant keep gettin worse to help a rival and expect the same support.

howard shultz is the ceo of starbucks and his stock has done terrible. furthermore, the sonics are a money losing operation right now. i'm sure he wouldn't mind shipping thomas out for some cash.

Howard Shultz does not own the team anymore.

[RJM]

I think its time we bring in Marc Gasol. Right now its easy to say he'd be more productive than Chris Mihm and Kwame Brown.

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I think its time we bring in Marc Gasol. Right now its easy to say he'd be more productive than Chris Mihm and Kwame Brown.

CAN we bring him over midseason? doesn't seem likely.


phil 2.0: i'm just going to agree to disagree. as someone who evaluates decisions from an economist's perspective, I won't be changing my mind.

[LLcoleJ]

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CAN we bring him over midseason? doesn't seem likely.


phil 2.0: i'm just going to agree to disagree. as someone who evaluates decisions from an economist's perspective, I won't be changing my mind.

thats fine. I just dont think the deal is there from SEA pov. As I mentioned they make money with fan support. They are not going anywhere anyway. They are not going to take on salary and they are not going to want to pay a player 9 million so they can cut him. The new GM and PJ both from SAS want to put a good product on the court. Kwame is not that.

[Kirk Moon]

Phil, Seattle fans seem generally happy with Kwame/pick for Thomas/their 2nd rounder

Essentially we move about 10 spots down in the draft...but get a much better player, and even shave off some salary for the season.

there are local village idiots everywhere, Borat.

[LLcoleJ]

Phil, Seattle fans seem generally happy with Kwame/pick for Thomas/their 2nd rounder

Essentially we move about 10 spots down in the draft...but get a much better player, and even shave off some salary for the season.

You are going to have to sell it better to me than Seattle fans seem generally happy with...

I would love to do the deal. I just dont see why SEA would.

[LLcoleJ]

Okay simple.
The only reason Seattle wouldn't like this trade is because Thomas is such a great veteran leader etc.
a seattle fan said something along the lines of, 'we owe it to thomas to trade him to a contender because of his professionalism this year'.
also, they have 3 2nd rounders already this year...turning one into a 1st rounder adds more first round talent to their youngsters.
and while they don't want to admit it...they want to lose as many games as possible to be honest...and its not like kurt thomas is showtime or anything..he's just a super solid big...

Well, ok. That still does not convince me that SEA would do the deal. If it were as easy as what the fans want.