Nelson still out

drsd · Post #1 » by **drsd** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:44 am

Magic point guard Jameer Nelson missed his second consecutive game Monday night because of a strained tendon in his right foot.

Nelson isn't expected to play Wednesday when the Magic play in Memphis, and Nelson was somewhat evasive about when exactly he will return.

A bit more in this story on Nelson (after the dunking stuff):

Nelson still out

MagicStarwipe · Post #2 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:22 pm

I can't wait to get him back. As much as I like Dooling's defense, he is brutal at the point. Jameer is our best player offensively at that position.

magicfan217 · Post #3 » by **magicfan217** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:36 pm

It's no coincedence we finally beat the Pistons when Jameer was out. The guy is always up and down offensively but he is HORRID on the defensive end. CB didn't complete destroy us last night because jameer wasn't playing.

I personally wouldn't miss him if he didn't come back.

Post #4 » by **UCFJayBird** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:04 pm

magicfan217 wrote:It's no coincedence we finally beat the Pistons when Jameer was out. The guy is always up and down offensively but he is HORRID on the defensive end. CB didn't complete destroy us last night because jameer wasn't playing.

I personally wouldn't miss him if he didn't come back.

ur joking right? Jameer not playing had zero effect on Billups. Billups wasn't aggressive last night and didn't try and take a lot of shots, that's the only reason he didn't tear us up. Carlos is just as bad a defender as Jameer.

magicfan217 · Post #5 » by **magicfan217** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:08 pm

UCFJayBird wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

ur joking right? Jameer not playing had zero effect on Billups. Billups wasn't aggressive last night and didn't try and take a lot of shots, that's the only reason he didn't tear us up. Carlos is just as bad a defender as Jameer.

Jameer is the worst defending starting PG in the league. He simply CANNOT guard anybody. Carlos is better defensively than jameer (although carlos isn't a great defender).

Magic fans give jameer too much credit. I cant figure out why so many people love the guy as a player. His offense is up and down and he ALWAYS gets torched. What makes him a good player?

N4U|Redux · Post #6 » by **N4U|Redux** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:48 pm

magicfan217 wrote:Jameer is the worst defending starting PG in the league. He simply CANNOT guard anybody. Carlos is better defensively than jameer (although carlos isn't a great defender).

Magic fans give jameer too much credit. I cant figure out why so many people love the guy as a player. His offense is up and down and he ALWAYS gets torched. What makes him a good player?

Speaking of defense: What does the "location" of your profile indicate?

Last Guardian · Post #7 » by **Last Guardian** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:42 pm

Carlos is a worse defender than Jameer. Dooling is far better than both and he is the reason Billups didn't do much, aside from Billups simply not being that aggressive.

If anything this board underrates players. You see all this hate for Dooling except he is actually a pretty good player. Its like players have to be perfect for this board to accept them. 1 mistake and they are a scrub.

Versubio · Post #8 » by **Versubio** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:01 pm

Solid Snake wrote:Carlos is a worse defender than Jameer. Dooling is far better than both and he is the reason Billups didn't do much, aside from Billups simply not being that aggressive.

If anything this board underrates players. You see all this hate for Dooling except he is actually a pretty good player. Its like players have to be perfect for this board to accept them. 1 mistake and they are a scrub.

Carlos is certainly a better defender than Jameer. Nelson gets torched on a regular basis. Dooling did an awesome job on Billups last night. It was a very nice defensive effort.

Last Guardian · Post #9 » by **Last Guardian** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:16 pm

No, Carlos is a god awful defender. Which is why he has never held a starting point guard job.

Magicalltheway · Post #10 » by **Magicalltheway** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:46 pm

UCFJayBird wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

ur joking right? Jameer not playing had zero effect on Billups. Billups wasn't aggressive last night and didn't try and take a lot of shots, that's the only reason he didn't tear us up. Carlos is just as bad a defender as Jameer.

main reason CB wasnt aggressive was just because of that. Had Jameer been gaurding him he would have launed 3s all night knowing that he has the height advantage. Instead having Dooling, Kebo and somewhat Carlos on him he concentrated more on being a pg rather than a scoring option. I love Jameer but we have to face it. Jameer is too short to guard taller pgs and he has been a liability on the defensive ends every time we played the Pistons.

Idunkonyou2 · Post #11 » by **Idunkonyou2** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:47 pm

Nelson is a streaky player. He is a backup in the NBA, not a starter. The Magic need to get a true starting PG for next season and a true starting PF.

TooNice00 · Post #12 » by **TooNice00** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:48 pm

when jameer is aggressive and takes it to the basket he is by far our best PG. his defense isn't the greatest and thats why he will probably always be a 30mpg or less player and ultimately best as a 6th man. just imagine if keyon knew what playmaking was he would be an amazing pointguard. anyways there are really only two PGs availabe this summer in udrih and duhon. i really think the PG position is of greatest concern and must be addressed even before the PF position mainly because keyon and carlos a free agents. hopefully it is somewhat resolved soon.

MagicNolesFSU · Post #13 » by **MagicNolesFSU** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:53 pm

arroyo is a worse defender.

Driguez · Post #14 » by **Driguez** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:21 pm

When will people realize Jameer is not the player they make him out to be... :noway:

He just plain sucks, and no his D isnt better than Doolings or Carlos... We need a quality PG and what we have isnt it.

EasternMagic · Post #15 » by **EasternMagic** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:30 pm

UCFJayBird wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

ur joking right? Jameer not playing had zero effect on Billups. Billups wasn't aggressive last night and didn't try and take a lot of shots, that's the only reason he didn't tear us up. Carlos is just as bad a defender as Jameer.

lol seriously in fact the last time we beat the pistons it was jameer who did it

Post #16 » by **Devin 1L** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:39 pm

I like how people just ignore every other factor and conclude that because Jameer didn't play, we won.

mattyBoi · Post #17 » by **mattyBoi** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:39 pm

If you guys were watching the game you wouldve seen that Carlos was Guard Rip late in the game and Dooling was shuting billups downnnn.

Dooling vs. Billups is our answer to that problem, Dooling its just big enough and fast enough to bother Billups.

Against the pistons its best to play Dooling at the point but have Hedo do most of the ballhandling on the Offensive end.

Max Power · Post #18 » by **Max Power** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:43 pm

You know, you guys can bitch all day about Jameer and it doesn't change the fact that he is THEE guy at the point here for the next several years. Might as well throw some support towards the guy. He isn't the worst player in the NBA like a majority of you guys claim.

Jameer can do a lot of things well, the problem being he hasn't done them together in a long while. There have been games this season where Jameer Nelson was the guy who's defense got the job done. Chauncey Billups is a 6 feet 4 inch pg, who outweighs Meer by 20 pounds. He's an MVP type of player, what the hell do you expect?

Jameer is a guy who puts forth the effort, he's not a lazy player, and he tries to lead too. I have a great deal of respect for him. I personally think he's got all the tools to be a pretty good player.

As for Arroyo, you guys are simply fooled by the fact that he's bigger than Jameer, as Carlos is just as bad on D as Meer is. Both are so weak it's not worth discussing.

I think that a lot of people underestimate Doolings worth. Whenever he gets DNP - Coaches decision, we lose. Dooling is by far this teams best perimeter defender. Sure, I agree his shot selection is almost as bad as Arroyo's, but the difference is, when I see Dooling take a bad shot, it goes in. He's a lot better than people think.

magicfan217 · Post #19 » by **magicfan217** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:03 pm

Just because Jameer got a nice contract doesn't mean he's a good point guard or even that he is going to be our starter for the next several years. Look I like the guy but he just doesn't have the tools to get it done as a starting point guard in the league. Jameer has never and will never be a good defender. He's not even an average defender. He's short and slow. That makes for a bad defender. Sure jameer is a great leader (i guess) and a good guy to have in the clubhouse but that doesn't mean he's a starting NBA point guard. When was the last time you felt good about jameer STOPPING and opposing teams point guard. That's been one of the biggest problems with orlando the last few seasons. Point guards rip us to shreads because Jameer cant stop anybody. Jameer would be a great 6th man type because when he's on he can certainly score and be effective but he can't be expected to give adequate defense in the starting lineup.

And we didn't just win last night b/c jameer didn't play but it certainly didn't hurt us that he wasn't in there.

magicfan217 · Post #20 » by **magicfan217** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:06 pm

IMO Jameer is the worst defensive starting point guard in the league.

He's overall better than some teams starters but he is the absolute worst defender of the whole group. He gets lit up every game.