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Post#21 » by Ackshun » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:15 pm

Ill Mago wrote:So am i still the only one thinking that TJ`s faster pace would be a BIG asset off the bench?


naw man i've thought this since day 1. bringing one of the fastest guards in the league, off the bench would complete disrupt the opposing defensive scheme. not only would they have to worry about delfino, kapono, and hump getting easy baskets, but tj is now shooting much better.
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Post#22 » by Shaazzam » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:16 pm

Alright, tell me if I'm offbase in this and forgive me for the exercise. This may be vague and/or rambling. Or it could be short, I don't know I haven't written it yet. But these are some feelings I have. Some of it may be contradictory, it is purely subjective and I could be off my rocker. They have no order to them and I don't have time to create fully worded post.

1. We are trying to run a system, offensively and defensively and establish an identity.
2. Therefore we are always looking to execute. In this structure system can trump talent.
3. In the NBA, as previously noted, great teams can run their stuff but need to be able to improvise and "make plays", therefore talent is always required.
4. Jose is excellent at running a system and making sound decisions whether it be in the half court, or on the run.
5. I don't think Jose can break guys down or create his own shot. A broad statement yes, and I'm sure there are examples in which he has, but that being said, I think it's safe to say, especially against the better teams.
6. I have always felt Jose is more dynamic when he is playing at warp speed and being aggressive.
7. Good defensive teams get tougher at the end of the shot clock, while weaker teams will inevitably make mistakes.
8. I think against top teams, TJ may be better for a slower pace because he can break teams down, while Jose is better when he is pushing in transition because then he doesn't have to deal with a set defence.
9. Maybe Jose just needs a suitable backup so he can play balls out.
10. I think TJ needs to play slower while Jose needs to play faster.
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Post#23 » by stash » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:30 pm

I don't know how accurately this stat measures performance, as Calderon is having to play heavier minutes and thus is obviously not able to play at such a high pace. Also the team as a whole is better when both of them are in the lineup regardless of who starts.

You just can't deny that Calderon has done a great job in TJ's absense, and I don't need some stat that measures speed to tell me that.
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Post#24 » by Reignman » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:32 pm

Shaazzam wrote:Alright, tell me if I'm offbase in this and forgive me for the exercise. This may be vague and/or rambling. Or it could be short, I don't know I haven't written it yet. But these are some feelings I have. Some of it may be contradictory, it is purely subjective and I could be off my rocker. They have no order to them and I don't have time to create fully worded post.

1. We are trying to run a system, offensively and defensively and establish an identity.
2. Therefore we are always looking to execute. In this structure system can trump talent.
3. In the NBA, as previously noted, great teams can run their stuff but need to be able to improvise and "make plays", therefore talent is always required.
4. Jose is excellent at running a system and making sound decisions whether it be in the half court, or on the run.
5. I don't think Jose can break guys down or create his own shot. A broad statement yes, and I'm sure there are examples in which he has, but that being said, I think it's safe to say, especially against the better teams.
6. I have always felt Jose is more dynamic when he is playing at warp speed and being aggressive.
7. Good defensive teams get tougher at the end of the shot clock, while weaker teams will inevitably make mistakes.
8. I think against top teams, TJ may be better for a slower pace because he can break teams down, while Jose is better when he is pushing in transition because then he doesn't have to deal with a set defence.
9. Maybe Jose just needs a suitable backup so he can play balls out.
10. I think TJ needs to play slower while Jose needs to play faster.


Your last point kind of sums everything up nicely with respect to our point guard situation. We have to keep both until one of them figures this out.
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Post#25 » by rtcaino » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:53 pm

Magic All The Way wrote:I'm just guessing, but the pace has probably nothing to do with a team's record.


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Post#26 » by Leiro » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:54 pm

Alfred wrote:I guess that's why Calderon and TJ work so well together. They really, really, really change the pace of the team when they are on the floor. That must be confusing for other teams to have to deal with.


Agreed.
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Post#27 » by random_hero891 » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:43 pm

Alfred wrote:I guess that's why Calderon and TJ work so well together. They really, really, really change the pace of the team when they are on the floor. That must be confusing for other teams to have to deal with.


totally, they get the team to play such different games its almost like the opposing team is playing 2 different teams, which makes it hard on the other team to keep up with the style of play when you have guys doing different things based upon the PG

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