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Sam Vincent - This is why you suck... 

Post#1 » by watchoutdernow » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:53 am

Sam Vincent - This is why you suck...

Feel free to add to the list.
    Starting Jeff McInnis - The dumbest thing I have ever seen
    Benching Nazr Mohammed - The second dumbest thing I have ever seen
    Not playing the Rookies - 7 man rotation, and our starters are playing too many minutes
    Not calling the right plays at the right time - Timeouts are called to setup a play, and yet we almost always end up jacking up an ugly 3-pointer or end up with a shot clock violation.
    Not coaching - Who forgot to tell Richardson if the pass isn't there to throw the ball down the court away from the Celtics basket?
    Not cutting/waving Othella Harrington - Why? just Why?
    Not picking up another PG (shares this Bobcats Management) - Enough said
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Post#2 » by Paydro70 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:33 am

I like that "think" instead of "thing" gets repeated twice.

That said, I disagree with none of these points, and honestly think it may sum up the situation.
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Post#3 » by watchoutdernow » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:45 am

Good catch. Funny how you can't see it when you type it. I just corrected the post.

On a side note, i'm not sure if Vincent has given up on McInnis starting or not, but he sure is giving D. Anderson some minutes tonight.
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Post#4 » by mafesto » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:10 am

Surely Earl Boykins would be a better fit then McInnis!!?? Just imagine in some parallel universe the Cats landed Jason Kidd to run the point...

I can dream cant I.....
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Post#5 » by Walt Cronkite » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:27 am

Mohammed can't be traded until 2 months after he was originally traded, and I really don't think NJN would want his contract, so there's 2 possible deals.

Anderson/Davidson/Dudley/Harrington/Morrison/May/Mohammed/Cash Considerations/some picks

(4 young players on rookie deals, a veteran big who's showed he can play well when given minutes and expiring deals)

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swap Mohammed for Okafor.

Either way, we could get Kidd without giving up the main core guys, just don't think current Jason Kidd is worth that anymore
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Re: Sam Vincent - This is why you suck... 

Post#6 » by GoBobcats » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:09 pm

watchoutdernow wrote:Sam Vincent - This is why you suck...

Feel free to add to the list.
    Starting Jeff McInnis - The dumbest thing I have ever seen
    Benching Nazr Mohammed - The second dumbest thing I have ever seen
    Not playing the Rookies - 7 man rotation, and our starters are playing too many minutes
    Not calling the right plays at the right time - Timeouts are called to setup a play, and yet we almost always end up jacking up an ugly 3-pointer or end up with a shot clock violation.
    Not coaching - Who forgot to tell Richardson if the pass isn't there to throw the ball down the court away from the Celtics basket?
    Not cutting/waving Othella Harrington - Why? just Why?
    Not picking up another PG (shares this Bobcats Management) - Enough said

Could not agree more!
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Post#7 » by Bowens » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:04 pm

Deflecting blame could prove costly for Vincent
Are players on verge of tuning out Bobcats' coach?
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LOS ANGELES --There's an ancient Chinese curse that, roughly translated, means "May you live in interesting times."

I live in interesting times.

It's not boring covering the Charlotte Bobcats these days. It's occasionally tense, often odd and sometimes amusing.

The rookie coach, Sam Vincent, is capable of saying just about anything after a loss. It started after a December game in Toronto, when they played somewhat below their standards. Vincent speculated that his players must be lax in getting their sleep and eating right.

When I asked various players about that, several looked stunned, particularly Raymond Felton. Felton isn't the quintessential NBA point guard, but certainly he's professional. He seemed shaken and disappointed that Vincent would assume that about his players' preparation.



Hmmm so this has been a pattern of pissing off the players. Now normally I don't have a problem with what he's saying, but Shiny has absolutely no credibility. He thinks he's Pat Riley or Phil Jackson. I mean, those 2 call out their players in the media all the time but they've won, and players respect that.

At this point, if Shiny wants to coach here beyond this season, he needs to do a better job of coaching and realize we're undermanned. And save the critical comments for during practice...or at least after you've coached your way into the playoffs.

Horrible choice for a head coach. Not saying he isn't going too be good one day, but for our situation, guys like Okafor, Raymond, and Crash, could have used someone with a lot more experience. If MJ had a big hard on for this guy, then he should have hired someone like Larry Brown and asked LB to put Shiny on his staff in an apprentice role.



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Post#8 » by Rich4114 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:44 pm

Last night watching the game there were a few things that annoyed me, even though we won:

Eventhough Okafor was playing outstanding last night, once he goes to the bench he stays there for some reason. Does Vincent forget he's got him there?

Eventhough Mcinnis sucks at running the offense and can't defend, he leaves him on the court for extended minutes. Mcinnis on the floor does not help the Bobcats.

We burn a 20 second timeout with 4 seconds left before the end of the 3rd on the opposite end of the court. This leads to an inbound pass to Nazr at 3/4th court where he's then go nobody to pass to so he tries jacking it up and gets called for traveling. I never see good teams make these sort of mistakes. And this one is 90% the coach.

Vincent's lack of energy during the game is amazing. I've never seen a coach just chill out on the end of the bench and barely make a facial expression after a play. It's like he's just taking space out there.
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Post#9 » by nolimit16 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:20 pm

Rich4114 wrote:Eventhough Okafor was playing outstanding last night, once he goes to the bench he stays there for some reason. Does Vincent forget he's got him there?


Same thing in the San Antonio game. Okafor was having a great game but he was on the bench for a lot of the fourth quarter for some reason.
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Post#10 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:27 pm

Well at least we know why he's a mouth breather .... the only way he can get all the suck in.....
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Post#11 » by August Us Seazr » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:19 pm

Do you guys remember what MJ said before he hired this guy Shinyhead? He said that he was looking for the next Avery Johnson (or something to that effect).

MJ- Sam Vincent is not now, nor will he ever be the next Avery Johnson. Just like we are still looking for the "next" MJ.

Can we all agree on this?
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Post#12 » by Rich4114 » Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:25 am

I can agree on it. Why look for the next anything for cheap when there's PROVEN COACHES out there for a little bit more. Hell some would probably have coached for the same as what we pay Vincent. I think he could've been a nice assistant on a real coaches staff, but as a head coach this guy is far away from being successful in the NBA. He was thrown into the fire no less, at least if he took over a team that had veterans and was already a playoff calibur team he would look better. Putting him on a team who has no veteran leadership, zero experience in the playoffs, and averages about 24 years of age is like handing a 7 year old who's good at riding his bike the keys to a car and expecting him to pass a driving test.
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Post#13 » by watchoutdernow » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:14 am

I really hope that things turn around for Vincent, but it looks like his hiring will just be added to the list of bad management decisions by MJ. Maybe MJ should be the team's motivational speaker. It seems to be the only thing he's pretty good at it.
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Post#14 » by DaBassSource » Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:40 pm

watchoutdernow wrote:I really hope that things turn around for Vincent, but it looks like his hiring will just be added to the list of bad management decisions by MJ. Maybe MJ should be the team's motivational speaker. It seems to be the only thing he's pretty good at it.
I don't know if Sam is the right man for the job (rookie coach/ young team) but I disagree about "list of bad management decisions by MJ". This list is more imaginary that real. He did not do that bad of a job with the Wizards. The K. Brown bust is what has stuck with him...and most everyone else would have made the same pick at that time...
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Post#15 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:09 pm

I don't fault MJ or anyone on staff for taking a shot on a new coach. How many of the retreads have really had that much success? Sometimes really moving forward requires taking risks.

That said the Vincent thing really isn't working out. Risks don't always pan out.
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