If we're going to trade, trade for a SG!

[your_dallas_mavericks]

I'm all for getting a 2 but I've given up hope that it will happen. The only guy I potentially see being traded is Ager, and that's if some team is dumb enough to take him off our hands.

If Ager was on the block, we would be playing him to showcase his "ability" to other teams...

Oh man, I just used ability and Ager in the same sentence. Somebody shoot me or exile me further away from the Metroplex LOL!

[Pointguard01]

Getting Jason Kidd basically means we need to move Devin Harris. Getting him for the next 2 years is going to kill Harris' growth that he's showing IMO. Just doesnt make sense.

[DDansby123]

Getting Jason Kidd basically means we need to move Devin Harris. Getting him for the next 2 years is going to kill Harris' growth that he's showing IMO. Just doesnt make sense.

With Harris' improved shooting, I could see them playing in the backcourt together.

[Sken]

shouldn't a shooting guard be able to shoot?

Lonny Baxter anyone?

[JES12]

[Darren]

Please trade JET and Stack for a starting SF/SG.

[elwudl]

I would like that if we found a team that would trade with us for a starting sf/sg. the problem is finding a team that is willing to part with one. I looked through the rosters and there are not many players which I could imagine that their team would let them go.

I am going to post the players from every team which could help us and be an upgrade @sf/sg in my opinion (some scenarios require josh howard moving to sg):
- atlanta: joe johnson (I think it's unlikely we could get him=-), childress (perhaps=+)
- boston: pierce (-), allen (-), posey (-)
- charlotte: richardson (-), wallace (-)
- chicago: deng (-), gordon (-), nocioni (-)
- cleveland: lebron (-)
- denver: carmelo (-)
- detroit: hamilton (-), prince (-)
- golden state: jackson (-), pietrus (+)
- houston: mcgrady (-), battier (-), wells (+?)
- indiana: granger (-)
- la clippers: maggette (+), mobley (+)
- la lakers: kobe (-)
- memphis: gay (-)
- miami: wade (-)
- milwaukee: redd (-)
- minnesota: -
- nets: carter (-), jefferson (-)
- new orleans: peja (-)
- new york: crawford (-)
- orlando: turkoglu (-), lewis (-)
- philadelphia: iguodala (-)
- phoenix: bell (-), barbosa (-), hill (-), marion (-)
- portland: roy (-)
- sacramento: martin (-), artest (+?)
- san antonio: ginobili (-)
- seattle: durant (-)
- toronto: parker (-?)
- utah: kirilenko (-)
- washington: butler (-)

? means that I am not sure bout my opionion.

suming it up:
should we go for maggette? kind of stackhouse, terry for maggette, mobley? especially behind the fact that the clippers probably lose cassell, they would get a pg/sg in terry who could man the point for the rest of the season until livingston comes back. stackhouse becomes a fg after next season.

but nevertheless I believe avery loves stack und jet too much to trade them.



http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4456521
Dallas Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +8.7 ppg, +4.1 rpg, and -0.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Corey Maggette
6-6 SF from Duke
20.9 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 2.7 apg in 35.3 minutes
Cuttino Mobley
6-4 SG from Rhode Island
12.7 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.1 apg in 34.1 minutes
Outgoing Players
Jerry Stackhouse
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
9.9 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 2.5 apg in 24.4 minutes
Jason Terry
6-2 PG from Arizona
15.0 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 3.4 apg in 31.4 minutes

L.A. Clippers Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -8.7 ppg, -4.1 rpg, and +0.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Jerry Stackhouse
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
9.9 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 2.5 apg in 24.4 minutes
Jason Terry
6-2 PG from Arizona
15.0 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 3.4 apg in 31.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Corey Maggette
6-6 SF from Duke
20.9 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 2.7 apg in 35.3 minutes
Cuttino Mobley
6-4 SG from Rhode Island
12.7 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.1 apg in 34.1 minutes

Successful Trade Scenario
Congratulations on a successful trade.

Due to Dallas and L.A. Clippers being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Dallas and L.A. Clippers had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

[Sken]

Trading Jet and Stack for Mobley & Maggette is a parallel move. The idea is to improve the swing positions without damaging the depth or ability that we have at the point...

Mobley will make JET appear to be the MVP.

However, this does bring up an interesting thought for a 3-way trade. What if NJ were willing to trade Carter to the Clipps, Maggette to Dallas, Cassel and Hassell to NJ.

The thought is that if NJ can get out of Carter for pennies on the dollar (salary wise) then they could hold out for a higher trade value for Kidd.

[elwudl]

Trading Jet and Stack for Mobley & Maggette is a parallel move. The idea is to improve the swing positions without damaging the depth or ability that we have at the point...

didn't mobley handle the point some time ago in houston when francis was on the bench?

[your_dallas_mavericks]

However, this does bring up an interesting thought for a 3-way trade. What if NJ were willing to trade Carter to the Clipps, Maggette to Dallas, Cassel and Hassell to NJ.

I just tried that trade on RealGM, it doesn't work. It states:

Failed Trade Scenario
Sorry, but this trade does not work.
Due to New Jersey, L.A. Clippers and Dallas being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New Jersey, L.A. Clippers and Dallas had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did not happen here (only New Jersey and L.A. Clippers met the condition). This trade does not satisfy the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

[Sken]

Very successful team that Houston group, we should model 'em

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didn't mobley handle the point some time ago in houston when francis was on the bench?

[elwudl]

that was a joke and besides that I would love jjb to step up as devin's backup.

[Sken]

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I just tried that trade on RealGM, it doesn't work. It states:

Failed Trade Scenario
Sorry, but this trade does not work.
Due to New Jersey, L.A. Clippers and Dallas being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New Jersey, L.A. Clippers and Dallas had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did not happen here (only New Jersey and L.A. Clippers met the condition). This trade does not satisfy the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Yep Dallas would have to add either Eddie Jones or a combination of Ager and Barea... Doesn't really matter who they go to it will fit. My assumption would be that the Clipps would want Barea to help fill the PG minutes they lose from Cassell.

[JES12]

I'm pretty sure Vincer Carter IS available. If Orlando is looking for a young, good shooting big man to go next to D12, and NJ wants to save 39.3 mil of guaranteed salary, I think this trade is plausable:

Orlando gets: Trenton Hassell, Nick Fazekas
Orlando gives: Pat Parrity

Dallas gets: Vince Carter
Dalles gives: Jerry Stackhouse, Trenton Hassell, Nick Fazekas, 2008 1st

New Jersey gets: Jerry Stackhouse, Pat Garrity, 2008 1st
New Jersey gives: Vince Carter

[your_dallas_mavericks]

I'm pretty sure Vincer Carter IS available. If Orlando is looking for a young, good shooting big man to go next to D12, and NJ wants to save 39.3 mil of guaranteed salary, I think this trade is plausable:

Orlando gets: Trenton Hassell, Nick Fazekas
Orlando gives: Pat Parrity

Dallas gets: Vince Carter
Dalles gives: Jerry Stackhouse, Trenton Hassell, Nick Fazekas, 2008 1st

New Jersey gets: Jerry Stackhouse, Pat Garrity, 2008 1st
New Jersey gives: Vince Carter

Say 2007, does Jersey buyout Stack in this prospective scenario or does he stay a Net? Because if they do buy him out and we get Stack back, our rotation looks like this...

DHar/JET/Barea
VinSanity/Jones/Ager
Howard/Stack/George
MVP/Bass/Juwan
Damp/Diop/

That would be a team to be reckoned with. Wow! Couldn't you insert Brick Ager instead of Fazekas? I think they make very close to each other...

[Deus]

I'd rather have Jefferson than Vince Carter. He's younger and doesn't carry as much baggage.

[daoneandonly]

we could use a guy like ray allen, boston has no reason to trade true, but JES brought up a possible Terry-Stackhouse swap, which would give Boston more depth. I would even add pieces to sweeten it for them:

Dallas Gets: Ray Allen, Brian Scalabrine
Boston gets: Jason terry, Jerry Stackhouse, Juwan Howard, Mo Ager

We take on Scalabrine's deal to amke up for them taking on terry's extra years, and they get terry, stack, and juwan all can contribute to a contending team. Mo Ager gives them another young body.

Then we trade Eddie Jones to Clippers for Brevin Knight:

Harris/Knight/Barea
Allen/Hassell
Howard/George
Nowitzki/Bass/Scalabrine
Damp/Diop

I think thats about a solid a team as we can get.

[your_dallas_mavericks]

Dallas Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +2.4 ppg, +5.2 rpg, and -1.2 apg.

Incoming Players
Hakim Warrick 6-9 SF / PF from Syracuse
7.4 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.4 apg in 14.9 minutes
Darko Milicic 7-0 C from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
6.4 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 24.0 minutes
Mike Miller 6-8 SG from Florida
16.7 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 3.8 apg in 37.6 minutes

Outgoing Players
DeSagana Diop 7-0 C from Oak Hill Academy (HS)
3.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 17.4 minutes
Jerry Stackhouse 6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
9.9 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 2.5 apg in 24.4 minutes
Jason Terry 6-2 PG from Arizona
15.0 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 3.4 apg in 31.4 minutes

Memphis is having a fire sale at this point if they are getting rid of Gasol and Swift. Believe it or not, these three players could play a significant role on the Mavs on their way to the championship this season. Not just Miller, but Warrick and Darko would contribute. This also allows us to not have to carry older guys like Stack and Terry on the roster anymore, allows Devin to develop, and we could either pick up Troy Hudson (recently waived by the Warriors) or wait for Cassell to be waived by the Clips... We would of course waive Ager for the backup PG.

[JES12]

^^^^
Dallas would have to jump all over that, but why would Memphis do that?

Take out Stackhouse and Milicic and I think Memphis would think a little longer.

Take out Warrick, maybe. Terry & Diop for Miller but more than likely, Terry would go to a 3rd team.

[Pointguard01]

Boston is not trading Ray Allen. They dont really need Jerry Stackhouse with their rotation of Allen-Peirce-Posey at the SG/SF and adding Terry means they would have to play small ball with Rond-Terry in the backcourt. Its not gonna happen.

No way Memphis trade Warrick. He's young and they are rebuilding. Probably not Darko either unless they get expiring + picks. And they would have no interest in Terry.

A team like Orlando could easily offer their expiring contracts + Redick + a pick and beat our offer.