Look to move Odom now?

[incontrol__]

Artest's too much of a risk as a fourth option. He could cause problems.

[J Rob]

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Shane Battier.

At first I was against Battier, but honestly, I think you're right

The dude is unselfish, lights out from the 3, an ironman, and can lock people up on d.

He's perfect.

Shortlist:
1. Battier
2. Miller
3. AK47
4. Nocioni

[sackings916]

i don't imagine the lakers ever taking on kenny's contract. runs too long. lamar 5th option? he'll be in heaven.

Its 1 seaon longer than Odom's, so is the upgrade of Artest for Odom worth the extra year of Thomas? If they can get a commitment from Artest to know his role and possibly sign an extension IMO it is because Kobe/Gasol/Bynum/Artest is at least 1 ring. Also his expiring may be valuable that year. It may be moot if the Kings/Maloofs dont want to deal with the Lakers at all.

[J Rob]

Battiers a better fit than Marion or Artest.

Both those guys want the ball and to be one of the main guys.

Neither of them are great shooters either.

Battier can shoot and D up just as well, but the key is he's used to being the 4th option.

[dockingsched]

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Its 1 seaon longer than Odom's, so is the upgrade of Artest for Odom worth the extra year of Thomas? If they can get a commitment from Artest to know his role and possibly sign an extension IMO it is because Kobe/Gasol/Bynum/Artest is at least 1 ring. Also his expiring may be valuable that year. It may be moot if the Kings/Maloofs dont want to deal with the Lakers at all.

that extra year is vital since that would be bynum's first yr on a new contract.

[LLcoleJ]

Nah, unless some deal for Odom comes along that is too good to be true. There is no need to trade him now.

With our Big lineup of Bynum, Gasol and Odom we would out rebound every team ....by , well, we would get every rebound

[0HeadAche0]

milesfides has been terrible in this thread

[LLcoleJ]

huh?

[0HeadAche0]

basically spouting nonsense by saying we need to make an Odom trade. We really don't at all, what we all seem to forget is that Odom* is a captain of the team and has been with the squad for 4 years and in this system for 4 years trading people just for the sake of it is a great way to disrupt the harmony within a club. Plus the fact he is actually better at basketball than the people who have been suggested.

The only problem I can see with Odom being at the 3 spot is that if Kobe has too guard the other teams 3 like LeBron in the final minutes of the game Odom will have a problems guarding their SG.

*Edit:Not a captain as i thought but surely one of the leaders in the locker room.

[LLcoleJ]

basically spouting nonsense by saying we need to make an Odom trade. We really don't at all, what we all seem to forget is that Odom* is a captain of the team and has been with the squad for 4 years and in this system for 4 years trading people just for the sake of it is a great way to disrupt the harmony within a club. Plus the fact he is actually better at basketball than the people who have been suggested.

The only problem I can see with Odom being at the 3 spot is that if Kobe has too guard the other teams 3 like LeBron in the final minutes of the game Odom will have a problems guarding their SG.

*Edit:Not a captain as i thought but surely one of the leaders in the locker room.

You dont have to agree with Miles or anyone for that matter. But there is no need to call out other posters. You can make a case on both sides and if I dont agree with your position I am certain that you wouldnt like me annoucing to the board how terrible you are.

Attack the posts not the posters. Dont resort to those kind of comments.

[0HeadAche0]

just disappointed because hes normally better than that but I see your point, I apologise.

[Gerald3Wallace]

i dont really care what happens..if he gets traded. fine...if not..then even better

[sackings916]

I dont know if its just me and the way I look at the game now, but I think a lot of Laker fans are underestimating the speed/athleticism factor of Odom at small forward especially with how small teams are now. The Lakers have a lot of size up front, but I could see teams countering that by going small and running. And other SFs will be able to penetrate on Odom which will cause breakdowns in the defense. I may be overestimating it but I'd even prefer an athletic SF like Ariza to Odom with that lineup.

[Hoops23]

After the Gasol trade, the Lakers will have a payroll around $75m next season. Assuming the lux tax go up by $70m, that

[LLcoleJ]

Turiaf is a lock.

Not worried about luxury tax at this point. Contender status will increase many rev. streams and it wont such an issue.

Hindsight is a funny thing... because if you look at our big4 thats about 50 million between them all and we are young. The Lakers have been very smart about putting all this together in a costly and youthfull team to compete for titles for many years.
Plus we are now a team that people will want to play for us and that could mean cheaper than their market value.

[milesfides]

basically spouting nonsense by saying we need to make an Odom trade. We really don't at all, what we all seem to forget is that Odom* is a captain of the team and has been with the squad for 4 years and in this system for 4 years trading people just for the sake of it is a great way to disrupt the harmony within a club. Plus the fact he is actually better at basketball than the people who have been suggested.

Spouting nonsense? Sounds like a lot of people are seeing the logic in this "nonsense." And I didn't say we NEED to make an Odom trade, just that I THINK the Lakers will trade him soon. His being a captain and his tenure with our team is irrelevant; we traded Shaq, we can trade Odom. It's a matter of basketball production and finances.

Maybe Buss would find it worthwhile to pay 10+ million in tax to keep Odom around. I doubt it, and so do many people here, which is why names like Battier and Artest are mentioned.

Also, listen to Phil 2.0.

[0HeadAche0]

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Spouting nonsense? Sounds like a lot of people are seeing the logic in this "nonsense." And I didn't say we NEED to make an Odom trade, just that I THINK the Lakers will trade him soon. His being a captain and his tenure with our team is irrelevant; we traded Shaq, we can trade Odom. It's a matter of basketball production and finances.

Maybe Buss would find it worthwhile to pay 10+ million in tax to keep Odom around. I doubt it, and so do many people here, which is why names like Battier and Artest are mentioned.

Also, listen to Phil 2.0.

Screw the big four. We need a lockdown swingman defender who can spread the floor.

You said it there.

Underestimating chemistry is a big problem with fans in general i believe, production on the court is important but there are so many other things that have to be factored into it and I think Odom on evidence tonight will be brilliant as 4th option because he is not about scoring at all thats not his game. If you asked Phil I don't think he would want Odom traded unless we were getting someone of vastly superior basketball ability.

I agree with you that he is the most likely to be traded sometime in the future because of the salary issue but I do not believe at all it will be before the trade deadline.

[davidse]

after this trade, we are now an offical half court team.
that is clearly our strength, as bynum and gasol are gonna be raining jump hooks on the opposition and freeing up kobe to do his thing.

but odom at small forward ?
even this season with the attempt to be more of an open court fast breaking team he bombed.
now people expect him to do well in the half court system where his strengths as a small forward are almost useless, and his weaknesses highlighted ???

yeah, ok.
i bet the same people are still waiting on kwame to become a power forward...

wake up.

what DO we need from our small forward ?

s.h.o.o.t.i.n.g.

we need the best possible combination of outside shooting ability and defense we can get.

odom gives us NONE of that.

the names have already been thrown around, so i don't care too much about that.
but realizing that odom at small forward on a half court team is a waste of time, space, and money (and a possible title run) - is something that needs to happen on this board.

maybe by some miracle we even have enough to get it done with odom at small forward, but there is NO doubt we'd be much better if he's traded for a small forward with a dependable outside shot and solid paremeter d, and maybe even a back up center if we can get one in the process.

[what would jack bauer do?]

hold your horses guys... Bynum might take longer to recover than expected. Ric Bucher said he might even miss the rest of the regular season. If we trade LO we're going to be really thin up front.

Besides I don't like the idea of trading Odom anyways. Keep him, he's a 13pt 9reb guy and he always stays within the flow of the offense.

[LLcoleJ]

after this trade, we are now an offical half court team.
that is clearly our strength, as bynum and gasol are gonna be raining jump hooks on the opposition and freeing up kobe to do his thing.

but odom at small forward ?
even this season with the attempt to be more of an open court fast breaking team he bombed.
now people expect him to do well in the half court system where his strengths as a small forward are almost useless, and his weaknesses highlighted ???

yeah, ok.
i bet the same people are still waiting on kwame to become a power forward...

wake up.

what DO we need from our small forward ?

s.h.o.o.t.i.n.g.

we need the best possible combination of outside shooting ability and defense we can get.

odom gives us NONE of that.

the names have already been thrown around, so i don't care too much about that.
but realizing that odom at small forward on a half court team is a waste of time, space, and money (and a possible title run) - is something that needs to happen on this board.

maybe by some miracle we even have enough to get it done with odom at small forward, but there is NO doubt we'd be much better if he's traded for a small forward with a dependable outside shot and solid paremeter d, and maybe even a back up center if we can get one in the process.

I think you are making some generalizations in this matter. This board has certainly had its share of Odom hate and by no means think he is an effective SF. I never liked him at the SF on this team. That being said, we need to be realistic in what we can get for him and at the risk of getting back lesser talent, it make sense to keep him for now... that can change in an istant and I dont think you would have too many upset people here.

But the trades where we take back more salary at this point or get a lesser player shouldnt be in the conversation. Sure, a deal could come up where we trade LO for the perfect SF and all is well with the world, but I am pretty sure we used up all our 'lopsided trade bucks' for some time.

We hold onto Odom and use him to help us.. until a trade that makes perfect sense for us comes along.. thats reasonable.