SAC/HOU/DEN

Post #21 » by **Mr. E** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 5:38 am

RoxFan08 wrote:I'd love for Artest to do that. I really wish there was some sort of signing window allowed in basketball like in baseball for trades. But I don't think Houston can screw themselves with KT without being absolutely sure Artest stays on.

Precisely. I just see this trade ending with us giving up good players, getting stuck with KT while watching Artest sign in New York or elsewhere.

Smills91 · Post #22 » by **Smills91** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 5:50 am

Mr. E wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Precisely. I just see this trade ending with us giving up good players, getting stuck with KT while watching Artest sign in New York or elsewhere.

That's the thing though...WHERE would he sign. NY is a pipedream for those who smoke the pipe. He's NOT signing there unless he gets dealt there, which requires Lee to happen. There's ZERO team in contention with capspace...thus any team that lands Artest in the trade is about 99.9% likely to re-sign Ron because a) they are contending b) are able to sign Ron to a deal greater than the MLE.

RIPskaterdude · Post #23 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 5:55 am

Smills91 wrote:That's the thing though...WHERE would he sign. NY is a pipedream for those who smoke the pipe. He's NOT signing there unless he gets dealt there, which requires Lee to happen. There's ZERO team in contention with capspace...thus any team that lands Artest in the trade is about 99.9% likely to re-sign Ron because a) they are contending b) are able to sign Ron to a deal greater than the MLE.

Personally...after the trade today...

Anything in the NBA is possible.

Post #24 » by **el loco** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 6:04 am

mitchweber wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Are you saying that Houston would want to rebuild?

No, I am saying Sactown does, or at least they should be because they haven't and don't seem to be going anywhere with Artest and their division just got tougher. I am not trying to insult the kings or kings fans, but its the truth.

SacKingZZZ · Post #25 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 6:48 am

Eh, not too bad off a deal but the only value we get is the two late 1st's. We'd have to dump Kenny to someone in that case. Everyone keeps comparing what Pau got, well if you really look at it, what the Grizz got was a SALARY DUMP. The only comparable deal would be if the Kings WERE able to dump Kenny with Ron, if it's only Ron then it isn't a salary dump anymore. Ron/Kenny make as much as Pau combined so the salary is equal.

Smills91 · Post #26 » by **Smills91** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 6:51 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:Eh, not too bad off a deal but the only value we get is the two late 1st's. We'd have to dump Kenny to someone in that case. Everyone keeps comparing what Pau got, well if you really look at it, what the Grizz got was a SALARY DUMP. The only comparable deal would be if the Kings WERE able to dump Kenny with Ron, if it's only Ron then it isn't a salary dump anymore. Ron/Kenny make as much as Pau combined so the salary is equal.

EXACTLY...so the Kings should be able to get something around

Artest/Kenny for a prospect and pick.

Post #27 » by **loserX** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:12 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:Eh, not too bad off a deal but the only value we get is the two late 1st's. We'd have to dump Kenny to someone in that case. Everyone keeps comparing what Pau got, well if you really look at it, what the Grizz got was a SALARY DUMP. The only comparable deal would be if the Kings WERE able to dump Kenny with Ron, if it's only Ron then it isn't a salary dump anymore. Ron/Kenny make as much as Pau combined so the salary is equal.

There's a big difference between "salary dumping" a 19/8 young big man, and "salary dumping" a guy averaging less than 1 basket per game. That's not a valid comparison.

SacKingZZZ · Post #28 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:29 am

loserX wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

There's a big difference between "salary dumping" a 19/8 young big man, and "salary dumping" a guy averaging less than 1 basket per game. That's not a valid comparison.

The difference is made up when you factor in that we are getting no real "prospect" which could very well eqaul a 1st rounder for sake of discussion. Imagine Pau made what Ron Artest does, do you think the Grizz would have been able to dump Cardinal with him then? At the end of the day it would still eqaul the same amount off their payroll.

Post #29 » by **loserX** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:40 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:At the end of the day it would still eqaul the same amount off their payroll.

Yes it would...this year. Next year, a re-signed Artest plus KT is going to cost a LOT more, especially if it pushes the team into the luxury tax. (That, or risk losing Artest and being stuck with KT. Not attractive either way.)

That's why the Kings get less for Artest/KT than the Griz got for Gasol. Not comparable.

ptsuperfly · Post #30 » by **ptsuperfly** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:48 am

Smills91 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

LMAO at how uneducated you are. Economic Principles exist in EVERY MARKET. There a relative values placed on players...there are supply and demands. If you can't acknowledge this then there's no point even retorting back with you any further. I'll just let it go, but the fact is, Gasol moving increases the value of other stars, like I CLEARLY explained.

Smills is right. The West is buzzing right now. It's an 11 team race for eight spots. The Spurs and Nuggets are out of the playoff picture right now, and the Hornets, Blazers and Lakers are playing WAY better than expected.

I bet this has a ripple effect. Watch the Mavs go get Kidd, and watch the Nuggets go pull something.

Every front office in the West that wants to even make the playoffs this year is flipping out. They have to do something to compete with the Suns, Spurs, Lakers... Memphis might firesale... who knows?

But Gasol coming off the market - I bet the Bulls just got a lot more desperate, and any competitive team in the West, too. So, Gasol did set a low standard, but now other teams have to try and match the Lakers' coup.

Plenty of names floating out there... You'll probably see lots of swapping in the West.

DaFan334 · Post #31 » by **DaFan334** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:58 am

I like Battier with the Nuggets. Gives them everything that Eddie does but is a better shooter which could help this team tremendously along with his perimeter defense.

SacKingZZZ · Post #32 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 8:05 am

loserX wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yes it would...this year. Next year, a re-signed Artest plus KT is going to cost a LOT more, especially if it pushes the team into the luxury tax. (That, or risk losing Artest and being stuck with KT. Not attractive either way.)

That's why the Kings get less for Artest/KT than the Griz got for Gasol. Not comparable.

Uh, in this particular deal the Kings ARE getting less here. We get no Crit level prospects. We only get two picks and expirings.

DanTown8587 · Post #33 » by **DanTown8587** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 8:11 am

Lets review what Gasol 19-8, 7footer, great passer, athletic, not a problem with teammates, got: 2 picks, 2 prospects and 9 million expiring.

If you were trading Artest, who can opt out, plays the same position as other viable options, and most likely is not coming back to you, that value is 1 pick and 1 prospect. Then you decide to add KT to it, so there goes the pick and prospect. So Artest/Thomas for shorter deals is the most viable option for Sacramento. Beggars can't be choosers. And they either are dumping Artest or trading Artest.

PurpleTestament · Post #34 » by **PurpleTestament** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 8:13 am

The Rockets could definitely be interested if they don't have to give up any of their rookies as the proposal entails. I wonder if an extension could be worked out as part of the deal?

Post #35 » by **el loco** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 1:23 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Uh, in this particular deal the Kings ARE getting less here. We get no Crit level prospects. We only get two picks and expirings.

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Yeah, and in no deal you get nothing including a leaving Artest and the rest of the league knows that. Teams will be more reluctant to trade prospects, expiring contracts, and draft picks for a guy that they may only have for half a season. It goes back to how you look at the economics.

Smills91 · Post #36 » by **Smills91** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 3:15 pm

el loco wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

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Yeah, and in no deal you get nothing including a leaving Artest and the rest of the league knows that. Teams will be more reluctant to trade prospects, expiring contracts, and draft picks for a guy that they may only have for half a season. It goes back to how you look at the economics.

You're not paying attention....interest in an Artest just JUMPED considerably now that Gasol went to the Lakers. Nuggets need perimeter defense. The Mavs wanna get better. I guarantee you we see at least 1, maybe 2 or 3 more BIG TIME deals before the deadline and that very well could be Kidd and/or Artest as some of those deals.

yunggunz · Post #37 » by **yunggunz** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 3:32 pm

Smills91 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You're not paying attention....interest in an Artest just JUMPED considerably now that Gasol went to the Lakers. Nuggets need perimeter defense. The Mavs wanna get better. I guarantee you we see at least 1, maybe 2 or 3 more BIG TIME deals before the deadline and that very well could be Kidd and/or Artest as some of those deals.

Yeah, but Dallas always wanted Kidd, and Denver was already exploring artest. Its not like the Mavs are asying "****, we need to get Kidd to shut down Pau". no. Kidd and Artest are getting traded no matter what. It makes no sense for the nets and Kings to hang on to those guys. Teams know that, and arent going to overpay just because LA got a completely irrelevant player to this discussion.

Post #38 » by **el loco** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 4:16 pm

Smills91 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You're not paying attention....interest in an Artest just JUMPED considerably now that Gasol went to the Lakers. Nuggets need perimeter defense. The Mavs wanna get better. I guarantee you we see at least 1, maybe 2 or 3 more BIG TIME deals before the deadline and that very well could be Kidd and/or Artest as some of those deals.

I don't doubt that they probably both get moved, and a deal involving Kidd is going to be a big deal because of his salary. But, Artest would just be a 3 month rental because he has already stated that he is going to opt out and test the market after the season, so teams are not going to over pay for a rental.

Post #39 » by **loserX** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:15 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:Uh, in this particular deal the Kings ARE getting less here. We get no Crit level prospects. We only get two picks and expirings.

Which would be pretty sweet for you under the circumstances. I was mostly responding to this post:

SacKingZZZ wrote:Eh, not too bad off a deal but the only value we get is the two late 1st's. We'd have to dump Kenny to someone in that case. Everyone keeps comparing what Pau got, well if you really look at it, what the Grizz got was a SALARY DUMP. The only comparable deal would be if the Kings WERE able to dump Kenny with Ron, if it's only Ron then it isn't a salary dump anymore. Ron/Kenny make as much as Pau combined so the salary is equal.

Which sounds like you are complaining that you "only" get 2 1sts and to dump Kenny. You may not even do that well.