Kidd blames Carter

[S.I.C. GM]

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Well I am not surprised by this. Even when the stats or numbers are hitting people smack dab in the face, its really hard for them to objectively criticize Kidd's game. The man is faultless, yet because of his short comings its affecting the team. This isnt 2002 anymore. Kidd isnt getting to the line, one of the worst shooters in the league and committing a lot of mental errors on the court. I never said Vince was blameless, but the fact that the man is playing on an ankle despite needing surgery should tell you why his game has taken a hit

Link Please?

[G_MoNeY]

there is no link. RJ made a comment after the game versus Atlanta that "VC needs to take care of something in the offseason" suggests that VC is struggling from the same ankle problem RJ had last year and it plagued him all year long. Yet VC is still near his average in each category. Increase his shot attempts and he's AT or ABOVE his PPG.

I've stayed outta this thread, because I think the comment was taken out of context and is putting someone as a scapegoat. Bottom line is, the whole team is at fault, Kidd included. I think he's great, but he's clearly lost a few steps on the defensive end, can't hit a shot to save his life most of the time, and has made some crucial mental mistakes in some games. That being said, he just wants to win or get paid, maybe both. Him going public about his trade was unprofessional and damaged the morale of this team. Tons of players do it, but it seems Kidd gets a pass more often than not in this forum, don't agree with it.

[Rallyks]

there is no link. RJ made a comment after the game versus Atlanta that "VC needs to take care of something in the offseason" suggests that VC is struggling from the same ankle problem RJ had last year and it plagued him all year long. Yet VC is still near his average in each category. Increase his shot attempts and he's AT or ABOVE his PPG.

I've stayed outta this thread, because I think the comment was taken out of context and is putting someone as a scapegoat. Bottom line is, the whole team is at fault, Kidd included. I think he's great, but he's clearly lost a few steps on the defensive end, can't hit a shot to save his life most of the time, and has made some crucial mental mistakes in some games. That being said, he just wants to win or get paid, maybe both. Him going public about his trade was unprofessional and damaged the morale of this team. Tons of players do it, but it seems Kidd gets a pass more often than not in this forum, don't agree with it.

lol.. really? no way!

[G_MoNeY]

is that supposed to be funny? Many haters are stating VC has "lost it" or something....people who have watched the games and the NJ offense should be aware that the reason VC isn't getting the production he did last year and in previous years is because the ball has gone away from VC. Frank is to blame because of this. His attempts are down, which is why his points are. Many people don't correlate the two, which is sad. Great post, BTW, lots of substance in that.

[TheGrowth]

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Link Please?

RJ said it in a postgame interview that Vince might need surgery, also in one of Dave D's blogs there was a little excerpt that Vince needs to take shots on his ankles before games

[S.I.C. GM]

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RJ said it in a postgame interview that Vince might need surgery, also in one of Dave D's blogs there was a little excerpt that Vince needs to take shots on his ankles before games

You making excuses for VC now.

[G_MoNeY]

it's actually not an excuse SIC. It's a valid reason. Cortizone shots in his ankle, Frank admitted it so did Thorn. RJ's comments were the icing on the cake for me, he can probably relate since it's probably the same injury.

[S.I.C. GM]

That is two VC fans.

Link please Anyone. RJ needed surgery. There were articles all over the place. I havent seen any. I know he twisted his ankle. I give him that, but surgery, I havent seen it. Kidd playing with all types of ailments. RJ hip issues. Wright ankle. Krstic knee. M. Will broken bone. Nachbar ankle. Should I continue?

[etopn23]

Yeah, the Cortisone shot is documented. http://www.northjersey.com/sports/nets/ ... _Nets.html

[EFF]

The "new" offense obviously isn't conducive to carter. On top of that, he is physically declining. His speed and jumping ability are gone, which is why he needs to start aggressively the moment he receives a pass. The carter iso isnt as effective as it used to be because he just cant do it as well anymore. If he lets a defender get settled in front of him even average defenders can cut him off his move. He needs to have a mind to keep the defender moving because if he's not quick and explosive anymore he's still nifty.

As for RJ, he's not much of an iso player either. He's not a triple threat. We should just have him come off curls and backscreens for drives to the basket or in-rhythm jumpshots. The iso never really works unless he's up against a Diop or Curry or some other fatboy.

Also, if Carter's offense is being narrowed down, we need more multifaceted players around him. So far, Kidd is only a passing threat. If every defender needs to worry about one thing, we are making it very easy on everybody.

Simply, we need options. That's why for all his mistakes I still like the way Bokie plays. Maybe we need someone who, instead of the rebounds kidd gives, can move without the ball, turn the corner, make a shot, or better yet, drive to the basket hard for a shot, pass, or foul.

For the most part, kidd's game comes from the perimeter whether it's the pass or shot. It is probably because of a combination of personnel and mentality, but the Nets aren't a team that attacks defense. The Nets, so far, have been a team that just takes what it is given - pass it around the perimeter until finally someone chucks up a shot or until someone (usually RJ) makes a mad dash toward the hoop to get blocked or commit a charge. Too often it's like watching college hoops. Whatever changes have to be made, we need to start putting some pressure on other teams. Unfortunately it looks like we'll have to give up Kidd to start going in that direction.

[Birth of the Cool]

good post EFF.

There should be more posts like this and less one liner / emoticon responses that are basically +1 posts that don't add to the discussion.

I agree with your assessments. VC still holds the ball too long waiting for teammates to move or for defenses to react to having the ball in his hands. He no longer has the great 1st step or the vertical explosion to beat defenders so he needs to pass the ball or make a offensive move quickly after getting the ball. This way teammates don't stand around waiting for the defense to collapse on VC and more ball movement is created which is what VC and RJ sometimes stall.

Not so sure we need more multifaceted players (well really what team doesn't) but we definitely need some shooters. Miki & House were pretty good for that last year but this year no one is a consistent jump shooter and it's killing the Nets every game. No reliable offensive post player and no reliable perimeter jump shooters and Boki/VC not as reliable from 3pt range and it's not a wonder how anemic this offense is. This is not even considering how bad the ball movement is on this team.

[TheGrowth]

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You making excuses for VC now.

Huh?

[TheGrowth]

That is two VC fans.

Link please Anyone. RJ needed surgery. There were articles all over the place. I havent seen any. I know he twisted his ankle. I give him that, but surgery, I havent seen it. Kidd playing with all types of ailments. RJ hip issues. Wright ankle. Krstic knee. M. Will broken bone. Nachbar ankle. Should I continue?

Well the link was provided. Any responses from you on that?

[S.I.C. GM]

Yeah, the Cortisone shot is documented. http://www.northjersey.com/sports/nets/ ... _Nets.html

I wasnt talking about the cortisone shot. I was talking about needing surgery.

But thanks for the link.

[S.I.C. GM]

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Link Please?

As you can see, I wanted a link to him needing surgery.

[S.I.C. GM]

The "new" offense obviously isn't conducive to carter. On top of that, he is physically declining. His speed and jumping ability are gone, which is why he needs to start aggressively the moment he receives a pass. The carter iso isnt as effective as it used to be because he just cant do it as well anymore. If he lets a defender get settled in front of him even average defenders can cut him off his move. He needs to have a mind to keep the defender moving because if he's not quick and explosive anymore he's still nifty.

As for RJ, he's not much of an iso player either. He's not a triple threat. We should just have him come off curls and backscreens for drives to the basket or in-rhythm jumpshots. The iso never really works unless he's up against a Diop or Curry or some other fatboy.

Also, if Carter's offense is being narrowed down, we need more multifaceted players around him. So far, Kidd is only a passing threat. If every defender needs to worry about one thing, we are making it very easy on everybody.

Simply, we need options. That's why for all his mistakes I still like the way Bokie plays. Maybe we need someone who, instead of the rebounds kidd gives, can move without the ball, turn the corner, make a shot, or better yet, drive to the basket hard for a shot, pass, or foul.

For the most part, kidd's game comes from the perimeter whether it's the pass or shot. It is probably because of a combination of personnel and mentality, but the Nets aren't a team that attacks defense. The Nets, so far, have been a team that just takes what it is given - pass it around the perimeter until finally someone chucks up a shot or until someone (usually RJ) makes a mad dash toward the hoop to get blocked or commit a charge. Too often it's like watching college hoops. Whatever changes have to be made, we need to start putting some pressure on other teams. Unfortunately it looks like we'll have to give up Kidd to start going in that direction.

I totally agree with you.

Sorry Cool this would have been a 1 liner, but I wanted to mention, I hope you werent talking about me. I have been here longer then most of you and I am still not a RealGM.

[S.I.C. GM]

good post EFF.

There should be more posts like this and less one liner / emoticon responses that are basically +1 posts that don't add to the discussion.

I agree with your assessments. VC still holds the ball too long waiting for teammates to move or for defenses to react to having the ball in his hands. He no longer has the great 1st step or the vertical explosion to beat defenders so he needs to pass the ball or make a offensive move quickly after getting the ball. This way teammates don't stand around waiting for the defense to collapse on VC and more ball movement is created which is what VC and RJ sometimes stall.

I totally agree with you. He seems hesitant this year. Sometimes he is open and waits too long to shoot. Then the D comes running towards him and the shot clock going down, he passes it to Kidd who isnt a good shooter. I agree with EFF. RJ should do more curls. VC should too but I dont think he is comfortable doing those. The guy has been an ISO player for so long. Bad Habits.

Not so sure we need more multifaceted players (well really what team doesn't) but we definitely need some shooters. Miki & House were pretty good for that last year but this year no one is a consistent jump shooter and it's killing the Nets every game. No reliable offensive post player and no reliable perimeter jump shooters and Boki/VC not as reliable from 3pt range and it's not a wonder how anemic this offense is. This is not even considering how bad the ball movement is on this team.

You forgot Allen. I think he is a better shooter then Mikki. The problem with him is Frank and he has been sick. He had a few good back to back games. Then Frank messes it up with his rotations . Another person that hasnt been used as a shooter is DA. I am not saying he is great but if he is open he can hit shots. I dont know why Frank doesnt play DA, M. Will, Wright, Boone and Swill. M. Will can break down the D. M. Will can find DA or Pick and Roll all day with Boone and Swill.

[EFF]

Not so sure we need more multifaceted players (well really what team doesn't)

Yeah multifaceted is as vague a word as I could have used.

Basically what i mean is a playmaker who is also a threat himself - Someone on offense who can keep a defense guessing. Someone who you dont want getting a wide open shot, but who can create off the dribble instead. Off the top of my head, Devin Harris-ish. He can do either.

Kidd doesnt really blow by anyone cuz he's busy looking to pass. Even if he does, he usually gets blocked. Also, many teams will give him the shot as a game plan. Choke up VC and Jefferson cuz they'll take Kidd shooting 36% wide open. He is offensively one-dimensional (almost).

We dont really have anyone good at 2 things on offense outside vince and jefferson. It's not only that they are not consistent enough(even though they're not). It's just that they dont have enough helpful teammates. That allows defenses to make everything difficult for our go-to guys which maybe makes them appear more inconsistent than they actually are. If its 2 on 5 all night, how consistent can you expect a guy to be?

Wright cant do much with the ball except step out of bounds. I have my fingers crossed on Marcus though (help us!).

As far as consistent jump shooting goes, we could really use Curly back. Just a few easy pick and pops a game and we'd be a much better team.

[EFF]

I also say multifaceted instead of shooter because shooters go cold. We dont want to be a jump shooting and inconsistent team. But the devin harris' of the league will be able to do SOMEthing with the ball even on an off night as long as he can dribble and run. Plus his shot is good enough.

I tihnk we need to start with that also because we've tried to get shooters before (Scott P, house). There is obviously something more fundamentally wrong with this team than a shooter can account for.

Also, one question. How long will I be a ball boy?

[RJ 24]

I also say multifaceted instead of shooter because shooters go cold. We dont want to be a jump shooting and inconsistent team. But the devin harris' of the league will be able to do SOMEthing with the ball even on an off night as long as he can dribble and run. Plus his shot is good enough.

I tihnk we need to start with that also because we've tried to get shooters before (Scott P, house). There is obviously something more fundamentally wrong with this team than a shooter can account for.

Also, one question. How long will I be a ball boy?

i really think that if we kept eddie house this offseason, we would be a different team. If i could go back and change one offseason move, it would be to sign house instead of magloire.