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Post#101 » by PDXKnight » Wed Feb 6, 2008 11:43 pm

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That's funny man. No one, not even Roy gives it his all anymore than AI does. I guess you haven't watched much of AI throughout his career.


Sorry for the late reply but I agree that AI is dedicated but I just don't like his me-first mentality. You can argue that he gets a lot of assists but when all is said and done, Roy is pass-first and AI is shoot first.

As for if I've watched AI, of course I have, who hasn't? Roy is just more of a PG in an SG's body while AI is an SG in a PG's body which makes me prefer Roy. AI's had his moments but I tend to prefer team-first players and Roy's fits that category better.
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Post#102 » by PDXKnight » Wed Feb 6, 2008 11:47 pm

djtruebeliever wrote:Roy has had a great season so far, but Allen Iverson has proven himself year after year. Roy hasn't proven **** yet.


Well that's as bold of a statement as my AI statement. Roy has proven that he can make a team that has missed the playoffs for 4 straight years into a legitimate playoff contender. While the Blazers will most likely miss the playoffs by a small margin, they have been incredible in a VERY strong western conference and Roy has really been the only solid consistency that they've had.
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Post#103 » by big123 » Wed Feb 6, 2008 11:52 pm

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Sorry for the late reply but I agree that AI is dedicated but I just don't like his me-first mentality. You can argue that he gets a lot of assists but when all is said and done, Roy is pass-first and AI is shoot first.

As for if I've watched AI, of course I have, who hasn't? Roy is just more of a PG in an SG's body while AI is an SG in a PG's body which makes me prefer Roy. AI's had his moments but I tend to prefer team-first players and Roy's fits that category better.


That's a different argument altogether man. I was just referring to giving their all on the court, nothing else.
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Post#104 » by Maf » Wed Feb 6, 2008 11:52 pm

I'm all for showing Roy some love. He's excelent
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Post#105 » by JRMelo15 » Wed Feb 6, 2008 11:53 pm

Oden2 wrote:into a legitimate playoff contender.


:rofl: :rofl: you just made my day

AI is a first-shoot, and its good, because unlike Roy, who choked on the final shot, can deliver down the stretch and have proven that he is worth trusting as shoot-first player. Roy takes the most shots by a Blazer, so how is he pass-first? There is that guy that used to play for us, Blake, he's pass first.
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Post#106 » by big123 » Wed Feb 6, 2008 11:57 pm

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Well that's as bold of a statement as my AI statement. Roy has proven that he can make a team that has missed the playoffs for 4 straight years into a legitimate playoff contender. While the Blazers will most likely miss the playoffs by a small margin, they have been incredible in a VERY strong western conference and Roy has really been the only solid consistency that they've had.


Are you kidding man? Roy has been playing well no doubt, but you think he's the only reason why Portland has been playing well? Give me a break. Port is a young team with alot of talent that play well together so far. It's not like Roy is playing with scrubs.
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Post#107 » by big123 » Thu Feb 7, 2008 12:02 am

You act like The Blazers were awful and then drafted Roy and got much better, lol. The whole entire team is different now.
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Post#108 » by PDXKnight » Thu Feb 7, 2008 1:51 am

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:rofl: :rofl: you just made my day

AI is a first-shoot, and its good, because unlike Roy, who choked on the final shot, can deliver down the stretch and have proven that he is worth trusting as shoot-first player. Roy takes the most shots by a Blazer, so how is he pass-first? There is that guy that used to play for us, Blake, he's pass first.


Says a nuggets fan who most likely witnessed Roy's amazing shot last season that took Portland to OT with denver. While the Blazers lost, that shot showed that he can hit big clutch shots and can hit game-winners. You probably haven't been following Roy much so I don't hold it against you for not knowing that Roy is one of the better clutch players in the game, but I gurantee that he is big down the stretch and while he missed some shots, he is usually money in the last 8 minutes of the 4th or so. Don't kid yourself, the Nuggets were one Jack turnover away from losing the game but as usually Jarret Jack turned the ball over at a crucial time (nice steal in Kleiza by the way!). Roy had an off night and you can't expect a star to shine every night (his teammates needed to step up more), but once Oden comes into the Mix, Roy will be the perfect guard to play alongside him and could very well help create one of the best guard-center duo's in the NBA.

On your comment about Roy not being pass-first, he is as much of a pass-first SG as you're going to see. AI gets assists but that doesn't make a player pass-first (see: stephon marbury). I'm not in any way comparing Marbury to AI but Roy is pass-first because he always looks to pass to open teammates over taking shots and really looks to get his teammates involved in games in general (even down the stretch). Roy seems to have the natural ability to know when to pass and when to take over offensively, as a PG would and I definitely think of him as a point guard in many ways.

Also, are you saying the Blazers are not a playoff contender right now? I didn't say that they would make the playoffs, I merely called them a contender to make the playoffs this season, not a championship contender if that's what you're thinking I meant.

big123 wrote:You act like The Blazers were awful and then drafted Roy and got much better, lol. The whole entire team is different now.


Actually, they did get a lot better once Roy joined the team and his leadership as a rookie last season was really significant in improving our record by 11 wins. LA is not as essential as Roy (LA's been fairly inconsistent) and while Roy did not play his best game against the nuggets (albeit a decent game), he is the leader on the Blazers and wins games for us night in and night out. Not to take anything away from you but the Blazers' main players were around 3 years ago when the Blazers had the 21 win season. LA's impact has been decent but as I said, not nearly up to Roy's and while Frye was a nice addition, his play isn't mind-boggling. Granted, Oden will return next season and then you have an argument, but as it stands, Roy is the only thing separating the Blazers from winning only 21 games again.

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