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[parso15]

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Rashard taking over Hedo's playmaking... yeah right

I wonder why he does not take over this duty right now? Everyone is arguing he is playing against bigger guys on defense(which is true) but on offense he should be the guy who blows past them regularly creating for other... but being a point forward is a rare comodity.
Do you really think if hed that skill SVG would utilize it more with the mismatches every game. There is a reason he goes to Hedo.

You have a 12-13 mil guy for 6 mil a year just enjoy folks...

[spinedoc]

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Rashard taking over Hedo's playmaking... yeah right

I wonder why he does not take over this duty right now? Everyone is arguing he is playing against bigger guys on defense(which is true) but on offense he should be the guy who blows past them regularly creating for other... but being a point forward is a rare comodity.
Do you really think if hed that skill SVG would utilize it more with the mismatches every game. There is a reason he goes to Hedo.

You have a 12-13 mil guy for 6 mil a year just enjoy folks...

Flawed logic. Without Rashard, Hedo goes back to being He-don't. And with decent pg play, he doesn't become a point forward for us either. Thats why that made up position doesn't get utilized very much. There is no way that Hedo is a max player. I love the way he's been playing this year, but lets be real about it.

As far as trading Hedo for AK, its a lateral move. There is no reason to trade a sf that is working in Stan's offense for another sf that may or may not work out for us. If we were talking about a big time pf, sg, or pg, then I would be ok with moving Hedo, but not for another player playing the same position.

[DrunkOnMystery]

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Flawed logic. Without Rashard, Hedo goes back to being He-don't. And with decent pg play, he doesn't become a point forward for us either. Thats why that made up position doesn't get utilized very much. There is no way that Hedo is a max player. I love the way he's been playing this year, but lets be real about it.

As far as trading Hedo for AK, its a lateral move. There is no reason to trade a sf that is working in Stan's offense for another sf that may or may not work out for us. If we were talking about a big time pf, sg, or pg, then I would be ok with moving Hedo, but not for another player playing the same position.

I don't know that I agree with a Hedo for Ak trade, but you're inaccurate in saying AK is strictly a 3. He had his best seasons in Utah playing PF, and he plays there in international competition. He's a natural 4 with his length, but Memo and Boozer are also natural 4s, and AK is the only one with the quickness to even pretend to be a 3.

A move of Hedo for AK would be offense for defense. Whether that's worth it or not, is entirely based on one's opinion, but there would be a noticeable defensive upgrade to the team, both with AK's defense, and the benefit of moving Shard back to the three.

[parso15]

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Flawed logic. Without Rashard, Hedo goes back to being He-don't. And with decent pg play, he doesn't become a point forward for us either. Thats why that made up position doesn't get utilized very much. There is no way that Hedo is a max player. I love the way he's been playing this year, but lets be real about it.

As far as trading Hedo for AK, its a lateral move. There is no reason to trade a sf that is working in Stan's offense for another sf that may or may not work out for us. If we were talking about a big time pf, sg, or pg, then I would be ok with moving Hedo, but not for another player playing the same position.

Hmmm let me think.... no your logic is flawed!

Why would Hedo do worse without Rashard? You didn't back it up... just tossing out Hedon't arguments is kind of weak. Hedo's play this year did come because the guy finally did believe in himself & played with confidence. Rashards presence did help because he made things more urgent because Hedo would be sitting on the pine a lot more if he had not steped up. I din't say Hedo was the max player... isn't Lewis getting payed around 18 mil? How can you argue that Hedo is not worth 12...

The argument that AK is a natural 4 is also absurd. He is at best a tweener. Yes he can play the 3-4 positions but he not a real PF. Actually if I had to choose a position I would say he is a SF. As for the trade neither team would benefit. Magic need Hedosplay making since great PG are banging on their door... the Jazz need the all around play from their SF... and some Magic fans need to settle for the platers they have

[theTHIEF]

all of your logics are flawed...

[MagicalMan]

so many assumptions, so little truth

[DrunkOnMystery]

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Because one player is overpaid, doesn't mean you should overpay another. Hedo is not worth 13 million, and he's certainly not worth that much just because Rashard makes 18 million.

Saying we need Hedo's passing because our PGs suck is like saying you should keep a unicycle in your trunk in case your car breaks down. It seems like looking for an upgrade to your car would make more sense.

And I don't know why where you think AK should play matters at all. Statistically, he played his best time in Utah playing the 4. He was an all-star and all-nba first defensive team player at the 4. He plays for the Russian international teams as a 4. His natural position is the 4.

Again, the trade is questionable, and if you disagree with it, that's fine. But there's no reason to twist things to prove your point, especially things that are factually inaccurate.

[parso15]

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Because one player is overpaid, doesn't mean you should overpay another. Hedo is not worth 13 million, and he's certainly not worth that much just because Rashard makes 18 million.

Saying we need Hedo's passing because our PGs suck is like saying you should keep a unicycle in your trunk in case your car breaks down. It seems like looking for an upgrade to your car would make more sense.

And I don't know why where you think AK should play matters at all. Statistically, he played his best time in Utah playing the 4. He was an all-star and all-nba first defensive team player at the 4. He plays for the Russian international teams as a 4. His natural position is the 4.

Again, the trade is questionable, and if you disagree with it, that's fine. But there's no reason to twist things to prove your point, especially things that are factually inaccurate.

The only one having its facts wrong is you... yes AK played PF for Russia but he also swithed to the 3 position... I watched the games whereas you only read them I guess. You probably don't know this but there is a big difference between the international level(physicly I mean) and the NBA level. So to say that AK is a SF who can swing to the PF is a accurate description. No one in is right mind mind would regard him as a natural PF... sorry.

Secondly stop judging Hedo on his past and look at his presence... if you believe that this 50 games is a fluke just say so but to argue that he is not worth the money is simply wrong. If you ask me none of the NBA players is woth 1/10 of the contracts they get... but nobody asks me nor you... they just get paid because talent is scarce. Just look at the free agent threads people are drulling over... other fans would kill to get the Hedo we saw so far. Stop hating and start enjoying him...

[DrunkOnMystery]

Your entire rational that Hedo was worth 13 million was what Rashard gets paid. This is faulty thinking.

And you've yet to make a single argument against the fact that Kirilenko was an all-star playing the 4. That he can, and has, played the 3 doesn't change the fact that, in his NBA career, he's been more effective playing the 4.

Who's hating Hedo, anyway? I've written that the trade was questionable in every post I've written in this thread. I've said it would be a trade of offense for defense, and that's all. AK is a much better defender than Hedo is, just as Hedo is a much better scorer than AK. I don't know why you interpret that as "hating", but it clearly isn't to any rational person.

And you really need to stop with the emoticons. You're averaging like 1.8 per post, which just screams: "I'm 11".

[parso15]

1.8 per post... you sound like a stalker...



That should help my stats... I couldn't care less about the allstar game... your argument is based on an overhyped show... this speaks volumes about your take on basketball.
Secondly I think you hate on Hedo because you are downplaying his play making skills and argue that a good guard would make him disposable. Guess what the Magic have stinkers for guards and Hedo is stepping up... do you even know how many assit he made in the last games? Give the man the credit he is due.
Anyway... AK is a 3 and you should make your peace with it... I would love to use an emotion but thats somehow this working against me???

[DrunkOnMystery]

Well, I've never hated on Hedo, but you should probably know that AK averages more assists than Hedo does before you start telling me to go look at stats for assists.

[parso15]

Well, I've never hated on Hedo, but you should probably know that AK averages more assists than Hedo does before you start telling me to go look at stats for assists.

No I didn't know that I have to admit... good for AK. But does this not hurt your natural PF argument? I don't remember many pay making PFs... maybe power is the key here.
The guy is a SF and you will feel better once you admit it... (oops)

[mattyBoi]

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Again you are changing the facts to suit your arguement. You showed that one person said it, not people around the entire organization. Never join a debate team dude.

Your changing facts to suit your argument!!!

YOU SAID RASHARD WILL %100 WITHOUT A DOUBT BE OUR STARTING PF NEXT YEAR.
I offered an article that stated that he isnt happy.

Lets not get away from the point.

You said RASHARD WILL %100 WITHOUT A DOUBT BE OUR STARTING PF NEXT YEAR.

And your wrong.

That is all.

[flyingvee]

no thanks...

Otis IMO is 100% sold on keeping Hedo...our team is working great, all we need is one more nice piece, preferably a defender/rebounder which AK fills, but at too great a cost...

With Lewis already locked at the 3 (or 4) keeping Hedo means we have no spot for that pf/rebounder. And with SVG not having tried neither Hedo or Lewis at the 2 we'll continue to be thin in the frontiline. Lewis is tough to move cause of his contract so by default everyone assumes if its a big name to go it has to be Hedo. I like Kirilenko and all the intangibles he brings. His numbers just haven't been good with Okur and Boozer. I think he with Dwight would be a great duo.

By the way a Lewis - Kirlineko trade works straight up.

[DrunkOnMystery]

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By the way a Lewis - Kirlineko trade works straight up.

I would make that trade in a half a heartbeat. It's a pity Utah would laugh at it.

[parso15]

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By the way a Lewis - Kirlineko trade works straight up.

Man you will get a beating for this... the franchise depends on him...

[KingRobb02]

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I would make that trade in a half a heartbeat. It's a pity Utah would laugh at it.

Now that you have me thinking, who would say no to a three way deal that sends Rashard to Houston, gives the Jazz Battier and Mike James, and brings us AK? It gives Houston another scorer, the Jazz get a true small forward who can hit three pointers and defend plus a backup point guard, we get a defensive minded power forward who can run, rebound and finish. Everyone wins. If you don;t like that maybe involve LA and Lamar Odom.

[mattyBoi]

Id take shard over ak anyday

Only way would be to clear salary sooner.

[Zapata]

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What'a stupid topic....

[Cammo101]

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Your changing facts to suit your argument!!!

YOU SAID RASHARD WILL %100 WITHOUT A DOUBT BE OUR STARTING PF NEXT YEAR.
I offered an article that stated that he isnt happy.

Lets not get away from the point.

You said RASHARD WILL %100 WITHOUT A DOUBT BE OUR STARTING PF NEXT YEAR.

And your wrong.

That is all.

I'm wrong? Did you go to the future?