Should Cleveland be next to make a splash?

[Rooster]

No bashing Z. I like him, and his contract's certainly not a big deal. But watching Shaq, Gasol, Marion, KG, Ray Allen and co change teams this year must be somewhat frustrating when you're rolling with him and Larry Hughes. Even then, the "problems" on the Cavs amounted to a finals appearance last year anyway. Any team with Lebron is going to be in the hunt, pretty much every year.

See, there's the problem...

Maritimer, if I'm Cleveland I want VC or Redd. In a bigger deal, Cleveland could even take back a Redd+Simmons package, although it would mean the Bucks getting Hughes. Also, I see Gooden and Varejao as useful assets - one of the two could go in a deal in order to bring back an established guard, and the other could start at PF with Donyell off the bench.

[Maritimer]

I don't want another ballhogging SG if I'm the Cavs. I'm gunning for Bibby and Kenny Thomas for Gooden, their slew of contracts taht expire next year, Shannon Brown and a pick. KT isn't great, but he's a decent shooter from the elbow which spaces things out for Z down low and means you can't totally ignore him on offense. His contract sucks, but getting Bibby makes you so much better that it's worth it.

[Fairview4Life]

I can't believe your even arguing this

a guy signing for 19mil less than he could, would be the biggest 'help' in the history of pro sports

it's somehow not because larry hughs is overpaid? or management 'might' mess up?!?

I can't believe your original argument was that if Lebron wants to win, and not just build more bowling alleys in his house, he should take a massive pay cut. Lebron also has 2 more guaranteed years after this and can't opt out until 10/11. He also can't get a raise up to $20 million/year.

Your original claim that he should take an impossible hypothetical pay cut if he was actually serious about winning ignores pretty much every other star player in the history of the NBA. Teams win and pay their stars all the time.

And no, still not a massive help since the Cavs would still be over the cap, and within an MLE of the luxury tax.

[isyed]

I think Miami might make a move for O'neal. I don't think the Heat are going to just roll over and ie. This season is lost for them. I can see them shutting down Wade for the rest of the season. They can go for Oniel by trading Jwill and Ricky + someone like Cook or Wright for Oneal. Pacers get instant Cap space. The heat could probably throw in a future draft pick as well. Oneal + Wade + Matrix and their top 5 pick or what they get for the top 5 pick + MLE player would be solid for them along with Haslem.

They would have to shut down Oneil as well to get s decent chance of landing a good pick.

They could use the pick and Blount to get another solid vet, perhaps a PG like Bibby or Andre Miller.

They would trun it around in a hurry

Oniel
Haslem
Matrix
Wade
Bibby(Or Miller)

Use the MLE to get a vet shooter and vet big and use second round picks to round of the roster.

[ruckus]

I think Miami might make a move for O'neal. I don't think the Heat are going to just roll over and ie. This season is lost for them. I can see them shutting down Wade for the rest of the season. They can go for Oniel by trading Jwill and Ricky + someone like Cook or Wright for Oneal. Pacers get instant Cap space. The heat could probably throw in a future draft pick as well. Oneal + Wade + Matrix and their top 5 pick or what they get for the top 5 pick + MLE player would be solid for them along with Haslem.

They would have to shut down Oneil as well to get s decent chance of landing a good pick.

They could use the pick and Blount to get another solid vet, perhaps a PG like Bibby or Andre Miller.

They would trun it around in a hurry

Oniel
Haslem
Matrix
Wade
Bibby(Or Miller)

Use the MLE to get a vet shooter and vet big and use second round picks to round of the roster.

I can actually see them doing something like that. They don't seem like a team that wants to rebuild through a youth movement. Nor do I think would Dwyane Wade approve of a youth movement.

[Shaazzam]

I think Miami might make a move for O'neal. I don't think the Heat are going to just roll over and ie. This season is lost for them. I can see them shutting down Wade for the rest of the season. They can go for Oniel by trading Jwill and Ricky + someone like Cook or Wright for Oneal. Pacers get instant Cap space. The heat could probably throw in a future draft pick as well. Oneal + Wade + Matrix and their top 5 pick or what they get for the top 5 pick + MLE player would be solid for them along with Haslem.

They would have to shut down Oneil as well to get s decent chance of landing a good pick.

They could use the pick and Blount to get another solid vet, perhaps a PG like Bibby or Andre Miller.

They would trun it around in a hurry

Oniel
Haslem
Matrix
Wade
Bibby(Or Miller)

Use the MLE to get a vet shooter and vet big and use second round picks to round of the roster.

If Riley did something like that, holy crap. Zeros to Heroes in a flash.

[AB_21]

I think Miami might make a move for O'neal. I don't think the Heat are going to just roll over and ie. This season is lost for them. I can see them shutting down Wade for the rest of the season. They can go for Oniel by trading Jwill and Ricky + someone like Cook or Wright for Oneal. Pacers get instant Cap space. The heat could probably throw in a future draft pick as well. Oneal + Wade + Matrix and their top 5 pick or what they get for the top 5 pick + MLE player would be solid for them along with Haslem.

They would have to shut down Oneil as well to get s decent chance of landing a good pick.

They could use the pick and Blount to get another solid vet, perhaps a PG like Bibby or Andre Miller.

They would trun it around in a hurry

Oniel
Haslem
Matrix
Wade
Bibby(Or Miller)

Use the MLE to get a vet shooter and vet big and use second round picks to round of the roster.

Blount for Andre Miller or Mike Bibby...that's a little far-fetched but still I can see the Heat trying to turn this around in a flash.

[The Notic]

-= original quote snipped =-



I do have a problem with that, which I doubt BronBron has considered. He's basically saying he can turn it on at any time and win any game. So don't push him or he'll do it.

So, if he can do it anytime, why doesn't he?

a lot of great athletes create alternate realities for themselves to become motivated enough to accomplish otherwise unrealistic goals. mj was famous for this. kobe as well. lebron is still relatively new at it, and his brash approach (fan heckling) is just more obvious. as in, you can tell when lebron "turns it on" as opposed to his peers.

[Maritimer]

Interesting ideas isyed, but I think Bird will hold out for more than Cook+expirings for JO, and Philly/SacTown won't take long term contracts to get another late lotto pick. I think they could try to do one or the other, but I don't think they've got the pieces to do both.

[inrapscity]

they got terrible contracts.

next season, they'll big a big player once feb comes or once the off-season comes.

Snow, Gooden, Jones, Marshall, Snow all coming off. They'll probably re-sign Gooden but it'll be significant. Wonder if FAs will choose to go CLE or TOR.

[isyed]

Interesting ideas isyed, but I think Bird will hold out for more than Cook+expirings for JO, and Philly/SacTown won't take long term contracts to get another late lotto pick. I think they could try to do one or the other, but I don't think they've got the pieces to do both.

I don't think Bird will get anymore. At this time both Gasol and Oniel are very similar in terms of value with Gasol being more valuable because of age and less injury concerns. Cook + a future pick should do it.

The Sac/Philly trade only happens if the Heat get a top 5 pick. That along with a resigned Iggy + their own pick and Sammy might be enough or for Sactown their own pick (which should be late lotto ) and a top 5 pick sounds very good place to start with Martin, Garcia, Salmon and crew.

Again depending on where the heat land someone like Rose would be great beside Wade + Marion and Onieal.

Edit: The indy Trade also puts the Pacers under the cap for around 7-10 mill as well. They could use the pick they get to move one of Dunlevey or Murphy and build around their own pick + Diogu and granger and the cap space they get by trading Oniel

[ansoncarter]

-= original quote snipped =-


With the current NBA collective bargaining agreement, LeBron can't possibly sign for $20M per year. The next contract he signs will probably average out at about 15.

how is lewis averaging 20? pretty sure I read that on here. Lebron will be signing a long contract, as long as he wants it. It's gotta avg over 15 imo

but even if not, then switch 20 for 15. Or whatever. Same difference. He's going to have a huge salary for the next decade or so. Salary that could be paying another allstar or two

Prime FAs? Really? As Fairview4Life mentioned, the Cavs would still be over the cap. Right now, as a capped-out team, the Cavs have $5M to spend on a FA. If LeBron took a pay cut, the Cavs would still be over the cap, and would have... wait for it... $5M to spend on a FA. See how the figure does not change at all?

thats nice. Then wait an extra year or two.

This isn't the riddle of the sphinx here. A guy making league minimum instead of maximum, for the next decade or so, would give his team a monumental boost

Maybe you'll listen to me instead but I doubt you will. Point is, the problems that team faces are not LeBron's fault. Those problems are in spite of him making $13M per year, not because of it.

thats still a point that has nothing to do with anything I said. Or was trying to say anyways

lol, I think I must be missing the argument, because this doesn't seem like something anyone would argue over. Ever. Was it the phrase 'pay cut'? which makes it seem like I meant only this season? or next? I meant from now on he takes a mil, or league minimum (and probably makes the money back in the end, plus some, from extra endorsements after winning a bunch of championships)

[Fairview4Life]

if he wants better teammates he can take a pay cut. Guy makes trillions outside the cavs

you can only have so many bowling alleys in your house before it gets stupid

in the end, I think he'll choose more bowling alleys

This is what you said. You setup a false dichotomy between better teammates (that he'd have to take a pay cut to get), or bowling alleys in his house. That is ridiculous and has no basis in reality. He can get better teammates without taking a pay cut. And not taking a pay cut doesn't mean he's just out for money and not to win.

[Shaazzam]

-= original quote snipped =-



thats still a point that has nothing to do with anything I said. Or was trying to say anyways

lol, I think I must be missing the argument, because this doesn't seem like something anyone would argue over. Ever. Was it the phrase 'pay cut'? which makes it seem like I meant only this season? or next? I meant from now on he takes a mil, or league minimum (and probably makes the money back in the end, plus some, from extra endorsements after winning a bunch of championships)

I think your just having fun by discussing pretty much the most absurd thing I have ever seen on this board. At least I hope you are.