GM a Team Part 3 (Transactions) unsticky plz

[Duncanfan]

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Wow, so when I point out that you aren't following your own rules and have other people agree with me I am making useless posts. Maybe Bryant picked the wrong guy to help him because not only are you screwing up the rules but you also insult people who point it out.

Relax buddy. No need to start insulting people. You should be grateful to Clyde that he takes time out to approve our deals. As for your objection to the trade, it is a valid objection but doesn't give any of us any right to start a war of words. This can be sorted out peacfully. Your problem is that you're taking this game way too seriously. Be a bit civil, and things will work out.

[clydestudent1276]

My apologies to the teams involved in that trade, but I have since gone back and looked over the trade involving the knicks and this situations are the same, and that trade is going to be recinded. It would be a double standard if I let it through, and I did not remember the knicks trade issue. Once I was made aware of it and looked over it, it was an easy decision.

As for knicksfan, the reason I said you should email Bryant08, is simply because we have had our issues in the past and I have no interest in argueing with you, since that is where it would end up. So it ends here and now before it ever really begins.

[clydestudent1276]

Washington out/MN In: Stephon Marbury 19,012,500; Dominic McGuire 427,163; Roger Mason 770,610; Randolph Morris 810,000; Oleksiy Pecherov 1,345,800 = 22,366,073

MN Out/Wsh In: Antoine Walker 8,329,640; Greg Buckner 3,750,746; Gerald Green 1,440,960; Jerome James 5,800,000; Sebastian Telfair 2,562,425 = 21,883,771 x 1.25 =27,354,713

-so the trade works

minnesota accepts.

Trade Aprroved

[zong]

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[Duncanfan]

The Portland Trail Blazers, Milwaukee Bucks, and the Sacramento Kings have agreed on a blockbuster trade.

Courtesy of The Oregonian


Portland Receives:

Shareef Abdur-Rahim ($5,800,000)
Anthony Parker ($4,350,000)
Spencer Hawes ($2,028,600)
John Salmons ($4,752,000)
Yi Jian Lian ($2,777,760)
(Total: 19,708,836)


Portland Outgoing:
Travis Outlaw (BYC, $4,000,000)
Martell Webster ($2,974,080)
Ricky Davis ($6,819,000)
Smush Parker ($2,250,000)
Joel Anthony ($427,163)
New York's 2008 2nd Round Pick
Total: $16,470,243 * 1.25 = 20.58###, even with BYC, it works



Milwaukee Receives:
Travis Outlaw (BYC, $4,000,000)
Martell Webster ($2,974,080)
New York's 2nd Round Pick (via Portland)
Total: ($5,974,080)


Milwaukee Outgoing:
Jake Voskuhl ($3,000,000)
Yi Jian Lian ($2,777,760
Total: ($5,777,760) --> (only 200k less than receiving)

first part (due to BYC complications of Travis Outlaw): Trade ID# 4495583

Sacramento Outgoing:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim ($5,800,000)
Anthony Parker ($4,350,000)
Spencer Hawes ($2,028,600)
John Salmons ($4,752,000)
Total: $16,930,600


Sacramento Receives:
Jake Voskuhl ($3,000,000, expiring)
Ricky Davis ($6,819,000, expiring)
Smush Parker ($2,250,000, expiring)
Joel Anthony ($427,163, expiring)
(Total: $9,496,163) --> (less than outgoing)


As numerous rumours these past days have been rumbling about Sacramento and their rebuilding status, Portland decided to go for it with a deal for Anthony Parker and John Salmons, at the expense of taking on Shareef Abdur-Rahim and his contract.


The GM is quoted to say:
"The Trail Blazers decided to quickly flip the expiring deals of Ricky Davis and Smush Parker to a rebuilding team needing expiring contracts for cap flexibility. While we lose cap flexibility as well, but we finally get back a veteran post presence as well as glue guy who can bind our group of youngsters together.

Losing Martell Webster and Travis Outlaw hurts as they have been our energy guys from the beginning of their young Trail Blazer careers. However, we felt the need to add some more ball-handling in the line-up next to Brandon Roy and Boobie Gibson, so Salmons was acquired and Yi will try and develop here next to LaMarcus and perhaps Greg next year."

"We're glad to welcome back Shareef, he will be a great complimentary player to our young guys, therefore, I believe this deal solidifies the fact that our team wants to compete now as well as the future."


Calls to the GMs of the Kings and Bucks were not immediately returned.

delete.

[raptor95]

The Portland Trail Blazers, Milwaukee Bucks, and the Sacramento Kings have agreed on a blockbuster trade.

Courtesy of The Oregonian


Portland Receives:

Shareef Abdur-Rahim ($5,800,000)
Anthony Parker ($4,350,000)
Spencer Hawes ($2,028,600)
John Salmons ($4,752,000)
Yi Jian Lian ($2,777,760)
(Total: 19,708,836)


Portland Outgoing:
Travis Outlaw (BYC, $4,000,000)
Martell Webster ($2,974,080)
Ricky Davis ($6,819,000)
Smush Parker ($2,250,000)
Joel Anthony ($427,163)
New York's 2008 2nd Round Pick
Total: $16,470,243 * 1.25 = 20.58###, even with BYC, it works



Milwaukee Receives:
Travis Outlaw (BYC, $4,000,000)
Martell Webster ($2,974,080)
New York's 2nd Round Pick (via Portland)
Total: ($5,974,080)


Milwaukee Outgoing:
Jake Voskuhl ($3,000,000)
Yi Jian Lian ($2,777,760
Total: ($5,777,760) --> (only 200k less than receiving)

first part (due to BYC complications of Travis Outlaw): Trade ID# 4495583

Sacramento Outgoing:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim ($5,800,000)
Anthony Parker ($4,350,000)
Spencer Hawes ($2,028,600)
John Salmons ($4,752,000)
Total: $16,930,600


Sacramento Receives:
Jake Voskuhl ($3,000,000, expiring)
Ricky Davis ($6,819,000, expiring)
Smush Parker ($2,250,000, expiring)
Joel Anthony ($427,163, expiring)
(Total: $9,496,163) --> (less than outgoing)


As numerous rumours these past days have been rumbling about Sacramento and their rebuilding status, Portland decided to go for it with a deal for Anthony Parker and John Salmons, at the expense of taking on Shareef Abdur-Rahim and his contract.


The GM is quoted to say:
"The Trail Blazers decided to quickly flip the expiring deals of Ricky Davis and Smush Parker to a rebuilding team needing expiring contracts for cap flexibility. While we lose cap flexibility as well, but we finally get back a veteran post presence as well as glue guy who can bind our group of youngsters together.

Losing Martell Webster and Travis Outlaw hurts as they have been our energy guys from the beginning of their young Trail Blazer careers. However, we felt the need to add some more ball-handling in the line-up next to Brandon Roy and Boobie Gibson, so Salmons was acquired and Yi will try and develop here next to LaMarcus and perhaps Greg next year."

"We're glad to welcome back Shareef, he will be a great complimentary player to our young guys, therefore, I believe this deal solidifies the fact that our team wants to compete now as well as the future."


Calls to the GMs of the Kings and Bucks were not immediately returned.

I accept.

after thinking for a while I accept, this trade puts my payroll at $45M
in the off-season I have got a couple of picks and alot of cash to spend
in the free agent market.

you guys may think I am nuts, but this is the direction I am looking to go,
my vision of rebuilding is strating off fresh, I now have cap flexability,
and a franchise player to rebuild around in Martin.

[#1knickfan]

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Relax buddy. No need to start insulting people. You should be grateful to Clyde that he takes time out to approve our deals. As for your objection to the trade, it is a valid objection but doesn't give any of us any right to start a war of words. This can be sorted out peacfully. Your problem is that you're taking this game way too seriously. Be a bit civil, and things will work out.

Well that's all good and fine if you don't consider Clyde's statement that my posts were useless to be an insult because I did. The fact that my statements gave him the encouragement to go back and take a deeper look into the situation. That research made him change his mind. And while I hate to have killed that trade I just want to make sure my very reasonable complaint was heard. If Bryant and Clyde want to go back and approve the deal its fine with me as long as they make it clear that it would be to allow more flexibility for future trades. I really think it sucks that two trades that pleased all the parties involved should get thrown out over a technicality. As long as they acknowledge what had happened b4 as a mistake and proceed in this new way for the rest of the way I will have no problem.

[roseorbust]

I veto the Milwalkee trade. I know people are pissed off fo me vetoeing some of these trades, but this one is just two much. The Sixers ffer all three first round picks in the offseason for Yi, that gets rejected and the Bucks take Martell freaking webster and a 2nd rounder? Is it just me, or are some of these radical 13 year old kids obcessed with rebuilding gone to far?

NEWS FALSH JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE CAP ROOM DOESN'T MEAN YOU WILL SIGN JOSH SMITH GILBERT ARENAS AND MONTA ELLIS... I mean jeez people, I'll give you Giricek and Ollie and Dixon for LBJ, you will have 5 mil in cap space.

[dockingsched]

portland for gm of the year!!
yi, hawes, salmons, parker for webster and outlaw

[roseorbust]

portland for gm of the year!!
yi, hawes, salmons, parker for webster and outlaw

PLease veto this trade, it's ridiculous how badly the other teams get screwed.

[LeQuitterNotMVP]

My apologies to the teams involved in that trade, but I have since gone back and looked over the trade involving the knicks and this situations are the same, and that trade is going to be recinded. It would be a double standard if I let it through, and I did not remember the knicks trade issue. Once I was made aware of it and looked over it, it was an easy decision.

As for knicksfan, the reason I said you should email Bryant08, is simply because we have had our issues in the past and I have no interest in argueing with you, since that is where it would end up. So it ends here and now before it ever really begins.

Well this screws everything up. The trade already was accepted, rosters were changed, and I've moved on with other deals. For instance, the deal I made with the Blazers was a direct result of the deal with the Kings, but then the Blazers went and traded the players I traded them, so that deal can't be void. So, I think the deal with the Kings should be allowed to go through, because of all of the other deals that happened as a result of it.

[zong]

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Well this screws everything up. The trade already was accepted, rosters were changed, and I've moved on with other deals. For instance, the deal I made with the Blazers was a direct result of the deal with the Kings, but then the Blazers went and traded the players I traded them, so that deal can't be void. So, I think the deal with the Kings should be allowed to go through, because of all of the other deals that happened as a result of it.

agreed, this really means I've wasted nights negotiating because we had all accepted the deal through email

sacramento should be allowed to rebuild any way they want, hawes is no thornton + elton brand

I'm not preaching that my deal is not a rip-off, but there were so many connections linked to one another

[LeQuitterNotMVP]

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agreed, this really means I've wasted nights negotiating because we had all accepted the deal through email

sacramento should be allowed to rebuild any way they want, hawes is no thornton + elton brand

I'm not preaching that my deal is not a rip-off, but there were so many connections linked to one another

And about following the rules - ya, we follow some rules, but some we don't. Like in the real NBA, you can't trade a player the minute you receive him (in a package deal). We're not following that rule in this league. And last GM a Team game, we didn't have the consecutive draft pick rule. That was NEVER made clear at all that apparently we are going by that rule (which is dumb, it holds up a lot of deals, this game is for fun anyway).

And you guys keep arguing about not being able to trade a draft pick that is owed to someone until draft night, but guess what, in the NBA, I believe if you owe someone a pick if it's 15-30, you can trade the pick as long as it says the other team would get it only it's 1-14. Obviously, in real life with the Heat that wouldn't work because of the consecutive draft pick rule, but I thought we're not following it!?!?!?!!!!!

[Klomp]

Guys, they already made it clear to send veto requests via email

[#1knickfan]

Portland Receives:

Shareef Abdur-Rahim ($5,800,000)
Anthony Parker ($4,350,000)
Spencer Hawes ($2,028,600)
John Salmons ($4,752,000)
Yi Jian Lian ($2,777,760)
(Total: 19,708,836)


Portland Outgoing:
Travis Outlaw (BYC, $4,000,000)
Martell Webster ($2,974,080)
Ricky Davis ($6,819,000)
Smush Parker ($2,250,000)
Joel Anthony ($427,163)
New York's 2008 2nd Round Pick
Total: $16,470,243 * 1.25 = 20.58###, even with BYC, it works



Milwaukee Receives:
Travis Outlaw (BYC, $4,000,000)
Martell Webster ($2,974,080)
New York's 2nd Round Pick (via Portland)
Total: ($5,974,080)


Milwaukee Outgoing:
Jake Voskuhl ($3,000,000)
Yi Jian Lian ($2,777,760
Total: ($5,777,760) --> (only 200k less than receiving)

first part (due to BYC complications of Travis Outlaw): Trade ID# 4495583

Sacramento Outgoing:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim ($5,800,000)
Anthony Parker ($4,350,000)
Spencer Hawes ($2,028,600)
John Salmons ($4,752,000)
Total: $16,930,600


Sacramento Receives:
Jake Voskuhl ($3,000,000, expiring)
Ricky Davis ($6,819,000, expiring)
Smush Parker ($2,250,000, expiring)
Joel Anthony ($427,163, expiring)
(Total: $9,496,163) --> (less than outgoing)

In my opinion this is not a veto worthy deal. Sure it looks like Portland gets too much but if you actually look at the deal for the other 2 teams individually it doesn't seem all that bad. About the only thing that can be said is that the Kings GM made a really dumb move. He can't tell me he couldn't have gotten a better deal than that. Hell, I would have done a Malik Rose for SAR deal if I had gotten the right incentive and it surely wouldn't have been Spencer Hawes that I asked for. He really really overpaid in order to save money. It was a very short sighted move and he gave up waaaaaay too much talent but it isn't enough of a bad move for it to be vetoed.

[babyjax13]

The Portland Trail Blazers, Milwaukee Bucks, and the Sacramento Kings have agreed on a blockbuster trade.

Courtesy of The Oregonian


Portland Receives:

Shareef Abdur-Rahim ($5,800,000)
Anthony Parker ($4,350,000)
Spencer Hawes ($2,028,600)
John Salmons ($4,752,000)
Yi Jian Lian ($2,777,760)
(Total: 19,708,836)


Portland Outgoing:
Travis Outlaw (BYC, $4,000,000)
Martell Webster ($2,974,080)
Ricky Davis ($6,819,000)
Smush Parker ($2,250,000)
Joel Anthony ($427,163)
New York's 2008 2nd Round Pick
Total: $16,470,243 * 1.25 = 20.58###, even with BYC, it works



[b]Milwaukee Receives:
Travis Outlaw (BYC, $4,000,000)
Martell Webster ($2,974,080)
New York's 2nd Round Pick (via Portland)
Total: ($5,974,080)


Milwaukee Outgoing:
Jake Voskuhl ($3,000,000)
Yi Jian Lian ($2,777,760
Total: ($5,777,760) --> (only 200k less than receiving)[/b]

first part (due to BYC complications of Travis Outlaw): Trade ID# 4495583

Sacramento Outgoing:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim ($5,800,000)
Anthony Parker ($4,350,000)
Spencer Hawes ($2,028,600)
John Salmons ($4,752,000)
Total: $16,930,600


Sacramento Receives:
Jake Voskuhl ($3,000,000, expiring)
Ricky Davis ($6,819,000, expiring)
Smush Parker ($2,250,000, expiring)
Joel Anthony ($427,163, expiring)
(Total: $9,496,163) --> (less than outgoing)

Bucks accept. Even though we lose some cap room in the off-season, the additions of Outlaw and Webster more than make up for it. Both are starting calibre, and increase our depth immensley. Add to that an early second rounder, and you have a trade I felt was too good to pass up.

[LeQuitterNotMVP]

Portland Receives:

Shareef Abdur-Rahim ($5,800,000)
Anthony Parker ($4,350,000)
Spencer Hawes ($2,028,600)
John Salmons ($4,752,000)
Yi Jian Lian ($2,777,760)
(Total: 19,708,836)


Portland Outgoing:
Travis Outlaw (BYC, $4,000,000)
Martell Webster ($2,974,080)
Ricky Davis ($6,819,000)
Smush Parker ($2,250,000)
Joel Anthony ($427,163)
New York's 2008 2nd Round Pick
Total: $16,470,243 * 1.25 = 20.58###, even with BYC, it works



Milwaukee Receives:
Travis Outlaw (BYC, $4,000,000)
Martell Webster ($2,974,080)
New York's 2nd Round Pick (via Portland)
Total: ($5,974,080)


Milwaukee Outgoing:
Jake Voskuhl ($3,000,000)
Yi Jian Lian ($2,777,760
Total: ($5,777,760) --> (only 200k less than receiving)

first part (due to BYC complications of Travis Outlaw): Trade ID# 4495583

Sacramento Outgoing:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim ($5,800,000)
Anthony Parker ($4,350,000)
Spencer Hawes ($2,028,600)
John Salmons ($4,752,000)
Total: $16,930,600


Sacramento Receives:
Jake Voskuhl ($3,000,000, expiring)
Ricky Davis ($6,819,000, expiring)
Smush Parker ($2,250,000, expiring)
Joel Anthony ($427,163, expiring)
(Total: $9,496,163) --> (less than outgoing)

In my opinion this is not a veto worthy deal. Sure it looks like Portland gets too much but if you actually look at the deal for the other 2 teams individually it doesn't seem all that bad. About the only thing that can be said is that the Kings GM made a really dumb move. He can't tell me he couldn't have gotten a better deal than that. Hell, I would have done a Malik Rose for SAR deal if I had gotten the right incentive and it surely wouldn't have been Spencer Hawes that I asked for. He really really overpaid in order to save money. It was a very short sighted move and he gave up waaaaaay too much talent but it isn't enough of a bad move for it to be vetoed.

Well, this deal will end up being vetoed because I am requesting that my trade made with the Blazers be void unless the trade I made with the Kings is allowed.

[babyjax13]

I veto the Milwalkee trade. I know people are pissed off fo me vetoeing some of these trades, but this one is just two much. The Sixers ffer all three first round picks in the offseason for Yi, that gets rejected and the Bucks take Martell freaking webster and a 2nd rounder? Is it just me, or are some of these radical 13 year old kids obcessed with rebuilding gone to far?

NEWS FALSH JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE CAP ROOM DOESN'T MEAN YOU WILL SIGN JOSH SMITH GILBERT ARENAS AND MONTA ELLIS... I mean jeez people, I'll give you Giricek and Ollie and Dixon for LBJ, you will have 5 mil in cap space.

Have you looked at the entire trade? You may dissagree with my reasoning here, but from what I have seen of Yi (which is actually quite a bit) I'm not impressed at all. He's a one dimmensional wimp who can't play a lick of defense, or play on the block with all of the big power forwards. I'm not interested in being stuck with a seven foot small forward. I'm also getting Travis Outlaw, and if you've seen him play then you have no reason to veto this. He averages 13 and 5, and throws in a block and a steal a game. He's also almost as young as Yi ( Yi is 22, he's 24), and last I checked productive players have a higher value than late lottery picks. Webster is also having a good year (10 points, 4 rebounds, and 37% for 3), and he is only 22. So tell me, am a sacrificing the future? Is there something I'm giving up that is better than what I am recieving? Are you afraid of having Jake Voshkuhl in the same conference as you?

[raptor95]

Portland Receives:

Shareef Abdur-Rahim ($5,800,000)
Anthony Parker ($4,350,000)
Spencer Hawes ($2,028,600)
John Salmons ($4,752,000)
Yi Jian Lian ($2,777,760)
(Total: 19,708,836)


Portland Outgoing:
Travis Outlaw (BYC, $4,000,000)
Martell Webster ($2,974,080)
Ricky Davis ($6,819,000)
Smush Parker ($2,250,000)
Joel Anthony ($427,163)
New York's 2008 2nd Round Pick
Total: $16,470,243 * 1.25 = 20.58###, even with BYC, it works



Milwaukee Receives:
Travis Outlaw (BYC, $4,000,000)
Martell Webster ($2,974,080)
New York's 2nd Round Pick (via Portland)
Total: ($5,974,080)


Milwaukee Outgoing:
Jake Voskuhl ($3,000,000)
Yi Jian Lian ($2,777,760
Total: ($5,777,760) --> (only 200k less than receiving)

first part (due to BYC complications of Travis Outlaw): Trade ID# 4495583

Sacramento Outgoing:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim ($5,800,000)
Anthony Parker ($4,350,000)
Spencer Hawes ($2,028,600)
John Salmons ($4,752,000)
Total: $16,930,600


Sacramento Receives:
Jake Voskuhl ($3,000,000, expiring)
Ricky Davis ($6,819,000, expiring)
Smush Parker ($2,250,000, expiring)
Joel Anthony ($427,163, expiring)
(Total: $9,496,163) --> (less than outgoing)

In my opinion this is not a veto worthy deal. Sure it looks like Portland gets too much but if you actually look at the deal for the other 2 teams individually it doesn't seem all that bad. About the only thing that can be said is that the Kings GM made a really dumb move. He can't tell me he couldn't have gotten a better deal than that. Hell, I would have done a Malik Rose for SAR deal if I had gotten the right incentive and it surely wouldn't have been Spencer Hawes that I asked for. He really really overpaid in order to save money. It was a very short sighted move and he gave up waaaaaay too much talent but it isn't enough of a bad move for it to be vetoed.

Wow, I don't care how bad it makes me look, this is a game and I want to experement , it ain't real life it is just a game. I know I gave up alot of talent and I don't care, everyone who asked about Garcia and Salmons
was trying to rob them from me

so what is the diffrence of me giving them away for cap space????

[zong]

Portland Receives:

Shareef Abdur-Rahim ($5,800,000)
Anthony Parker ($4,350,000)
Spencer Hawes ($2,028,600)
John Salmons ($4,752,000)
Yi Jian Lian ($2,777,760)
(Total: 19,708,836)


Portland Outgoing:
Travis Outlaw (BYC, $4,000,000)
Martell Webster ($2,974,080)
Ricky Davis ($6,819,000)
Smush Parker ($2,250,000)
Joel Anthony ($427,163)
New York's 2008 2nd Round Pick
Total: $16,470,243 * 1.25 = 20.58###, even with BYC, it works



Milwaukee Receives:
Travis Outlaw (BYC, $4,000,000)
Martell Webster ($2,974,080)
New York's 2nd Round Pick (via Portland)
Total: ($5,974,080)


Milwaukee Outgoing:
Jake Voskuhl ($3,000,000)
Yi Jian Lian ($2,777,760
Total: ($5,777,760) --> (only 200k less than receiving)

first part (due to BYC complications of Travis Outlaw): Trade ID# 4495583

Sacramento Outgoing:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim ($5,800,000)
Anthony Parker ($4,350,000)
Spencer Hawes ($2,028,600)
John Salmons ($4,752,000)
Total: $16,930,600


Sacramento Receives:
Jake Voskuhl ($3,000,000, expiring)
Ricky Davis ($6,819,000, expiring)
Smush Parker ($2,250,000, expiring)
Joel Anthony ($427,163, expiring)
(Total: $9,496,163) --> (less than outgoing)

In my opinion this is not a veto worthy deal. Sure it looks like Portland gets too much but if you actually look at the deal for the other 2 teams individually it doesn't seem all that bad. About the only thing that can be said is that the Kings GM made a really dumb move. He can't tell me he couldn't have gotten a better deal than that. Hell, I would have done a Malik Rose for SAR deal if I had gotten the right incentive and it surely wouldn't have been Spencer Hawes that I asked for. He really really overpaid in order to save money. It was a very short sighted move and he gave up waaaaaay too much talent but it isn't enough of a bad move for it to be vetoed.

agreed, there are certain ways a team wants to build/re-tool/rebuild/implode their teams, the vision goes through many trades or one and two, I myself have no finished dealing, there are still other trades I intend to finish.

I will be honest, I asked for Udonis Haslem, but he didnt want to give him up, rather, he said anyone else and a bad contract, so to make salaries work, i said Hawes and SAR, he accepted and this deal was made.

and just on a alternate point of view, it seems the Philly GM really doesnt want any other team to have cap space. No offence, but you should let others play the way they want and look at their reasoning. I mistakenly vetoed the Clippers-Wolves deal because I didnt realize how LAC wanted to rebuild on the DOT.