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Post#61 » by Rich Rane » Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:59 pm

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I know I was just joking. It's the wrong time for Nene.

VC for a cheaper SG Crawford or Ben...etc.


Still mixed on Crawford. I'd rather go after Gordon, even if he is a bit streaky. JO I'd still go after. His contract is not that bad as it's shorter than VC's.
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Post#62 » by RJ 24 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:59 pm

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I know I was just joking. It's the wrong time for Nene.

VC for a cheaper SG Crawford or Ben...etc.

didn't look like you were joking.......
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Post#63 » by realfung » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:23 am

jzmagik wrote:Vince won't be moving at the least until the offseason, trade deadline is too close for anything to happen.


You really think so, you know 50% of the trades happened just before the trade deadline.

Don't be surprised
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Post#64 » by Pugsley_2491 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:05 am

the more I think about it, the more I just want to wait out the season and see what we do currently constructed. If we do trade him we should do a draft day trade for a good lotto pick kinda like what seattle did with ray allen last year
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Post#65 » by deviljets7 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:25 am

bruno sundov wrote:There is nothing worse than being in BA limbo. That area where you suck but not enough to get a good high pick. BOS was there forever it seemed. Good luck with this trade i hope it works for you guys.


Exactly, for that reason alone Carter needs to go.
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Post#66 » by Pugsley_2491 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:27 am

Indiana board says VC for JO is back on
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Post#67 » by CableKC » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:55 am

Pugsley_2491 wrote:Indiana board says VC for JO is back on

We're only going off of the ESPN article by Chris Sheridan:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=Nets-080219

It essentially says the same thing that the Hoopshype article was saying....except that there are "multiple sources" saying that talks weren't dead....but "dormant" and elaborates more on the many concerns that we have on this. But realistically....given all the cr@p that you guys had to go through thanks to Devean George....it's not really surprising that any possible VC rumors going "anywhere" have been put on hold.

If anything......it at least confirms that there is some validity to these VC for JONeal rumors.
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Post#68 » by KnicksManiac » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:04 am

Rumored 3 way deal...

Nets get expirings (Jason Williams and Ricky Davis)
Heat get Curry
Knicks get Vince Carter

There would probably be some more pieces but that would be the foundation...Doubt it happens though.

Not gonna lie...I haven't watched too many Nets games this season...Does Carter have anything left?
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Post#69 » by deviljets7 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:07 am

Knicksmaniac1917 wrote:Rumored 3 way deal...

Nets get expirings (Jason Williams and Ricky Davis)
Heat get Curry
Knicks get Vince Carter

There would probably be some more pieces but that would be the foundation...Doubt it happens though.

Not gonna lie...I haven't watched too many Nets games this season...Does Carter have anything left?


He hasn't had a great year by any stretch, but I think some of the Carter hate has been excessive this year. He's still averaging 20-5-5 a game and his shooting percentage is in line with his career totals. He hasn't shown quite the explosiveness in the past, but it's believed he's been bothered by an ankle injury for most of the year.

Does Vince have a great contract? No. But I think his demise has been exaggerated.
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Post#70 » by Jajwanda » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:17 am

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He hasn't had a great year by any stretch, but I think some of the Carter hate has been excessive this year. He's still averaging 20-5-5 a game and his shooting percentage is in line with his career totals. He hasn't shown quite the explosiveness in the past, but it's believed he's been bothered by an ankle injury for most of the year.

Does Vince have a great contract? No. But I think his demise has been exaggerated.


Regardless there's another scenario to consider. Right now New Jersey is going to be at 52m for next season. You acquire expirings for Vince Carter and you're not only ready to make a big offer, but in fact a max offer to a certain player.

If I'm Rod Thorn I trade Carter and even a young player like Boone as much as it hurts just to get back a couple 1sts and expirings from Orlando.

expirings, 2008 1st, 2010 1st

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Carter, Boone

Why would I do that? Boone and Sean Williams share a position alongside Kristic. It's not a major loss. The trimming of Carter's massive deal basically brings in whoever the Nets want at SG. The draft pick will improve, the age of the team, the chemistry can be rebuilt, and three first round picks will attack any depth problems.

PG- Harris
SG- Igoudala
SF- Jefferson
PF- Kristic
C- Sean Williams

Plus three firsts :nod:

Note there are better players than Igoudala available even.
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Post#71 » by halfHAVOC » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:56 am

nets get some **** deal, we should get a pick there too.

1st rounder from NY or Miami , then its legit.
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Post#72 » by S.I.C. GM » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:33 pm

halfHAVOC wrote:nets get some **** deal, we should get a pick there too.

1st rounder from NY or Miami , then its legit.


I really doubt Riley is stupid. Zeke maybe but I doubt that too. No way they give up those lottery picks. If they have other 1st round picks I can understand.

EDIT: They each have a second round picks. If I was thorn I would take those. Thorn works his magic. He can trade those for a better 1st rounder.
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Post#73 » by S.I.C. GM » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:40 pm

Knicksmaniac1917 wrote:Rumored 3 way deal...

Nets get expirings (Jason Williams and Ricky Davis)
Heat get Curry
Knicks get Vince Carter

There would probably be some more pieces but that would be the foundation...Doubt it happens though.

Not gonna lie...I haven't watched too many Nets games this season...Does Carter have anything left?


I am totally for this deal.

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Post#74 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:43 pm

This team has too much young talent to just start tanking and hoping for high picks. If we have to dump Carter for expirings fine, but if no expirings are coming back i say we sit tight with VC and see what this young team with him looks like for the rest of the season and try again in the summer.

Carter for O'Neal is a bad trade...O'Neal can barely make it through one week without his knee giving out on him and he's a shell of his former self. A healthy Carter, as inconsistent and pathetic as he can be at times, is better than O'neal with one leg.
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Post#75 » by S.I.C. GM » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:54 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:This team has too much young talent to just start tanking and hoping for high picks. If we have to dump Carter for expirings fine, but if no expirings are coming back i say we sit tight with VC and see what this young team with him looks like for the rest of the season and try again in the summer.

Carter for O'Neal is a bad trade...O'Neal can barely make it through one week without his knee giving out on him and he's a shell of his former self. A healthy Carter, as inconsistent and pathetic as he can be at times, is better than O'neal with one leg.


If we are rebuilding and cant get expiring, this trade isnt a bad one. JO contract is done after next year.
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Post#76 » by dacher » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:07 pm

I don't want Carter traded yet.

Forget his contract, he's still a good player and a draw. Being a draw was reason he was given his contract.

What really bad about the season so far isn't so much that VC is playing uninspired, an uninspired VC is still better than average. The worst problem the whole team is playing extremely ugly. Removing Kidd will force players to step up, and new blood from Dallas will change dynamics. I want to see what we now have, which includes Carter.

If the team still plays like crap, then trade him in the off season. I'd rather have a Carter that is still interesting and still suits up, than a JO who breaks down on a regular basis.

The only reason for JO is to go into full tank mode this season and earlier expiring. VC can still be moved in the off-season for expirings, if things are still bad.

I don't want to give up this season until we see what we have. And I want VC to be given a real chance to live up to this contract.
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Post#77 » by Pugsley_2491 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:11 pm

somewhere on netsdaily had the possibility of New Orleans wanting Carter.

something like Vince and Darrell

for

Bobby Jackson, Rasual Butler, Julian Wright and a first round pick or two

Edit:
Here it is, it was John Hollinger who said it
http://www.nysun.com/article/71506
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Post#78 » by KB24VC15 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:20 pm

Pugsley_2491 wrote:somewhere on netsdaily had the possibility of New Orleans wanting Carter.

something like Vince and Darrell

for

Bobby Jackson, Rasual Butler, Julian Wright and a first round pick or two

Edit:
Here it is, it was John Hollinger who said it
http://www.nysun.com/article/71506


good he can finally go to a contending team
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Post#79 » by S.I.C. GM » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:33 pm

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good he can finally go to a contending team


Yeah I agree. He deserves to go to a contending team.
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Post#80 » by KB24VC15 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:38 pm

his numbers on the nets right now would get him mvp votes if he played for a contender, dirk and pierce put up the same numbers basically as vince and there getting all love, but then again when ur winning, things are seen diffrently

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