Kings and Magic talking about trade.

[RIPskaterdude]

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Yep I saw the game tonight. Every one was playing to either stay or come to Orlando tonight. Bogans had a monster game, Miller had a monster game, Thomas had a good game, Garcia had a good game.

4/4 in 16 minutes is a good game?

[leo6287]

Garcia: 8-12 (5-7 for 3s), 6 rbs and 23 points in 21 minutes.
Miller: 6-11 (1-2 for 3s), 8 rebs and 15 points in 38 minutes.

Just thought you would like to know

Well hope Otis pulls the trigger or I want a new GM at least make a move 4 a big

Arroyo
Garrity
Bogans
JJ
2008 Unprotected 1st
2010 Protected 1st or The Rights to Fran Vazquez
Cash 3 Mill

4

Miller
Garica


DO IT OTIS

[lovehoops01]

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Because the guy who was reporting it was legit. He reported the Iverson trade before it happened, he reported the Shaq trade before it happened, he reported the Kidd trade and the players involved before it was even discussed. Many others as well. He is legit.

One of two things have happened. Either the Magic are still thinking about taking the deal, meaning it won't be discussed until both sides go public or the Devos family has cheaped up again and screwed the fans, meaning they have killed it off.

I personally think it is dead mainly because I know this franchise and how stupid and cheap they are. We will probably end up with Thomas and that is fine, but we basically went with a quick fix something Otis claimed wouldn't happen and would have passed on a trade that helped put this team into major contention IMO.

Of course to me, no Haslem, no Wilcox, no Miller and no Garcia = fail for Otis. This was the last chance to make a big deal considering all the expirings we have and Otis/Devos family is going to piss it away. It is a big deal, but kind of not because like I said, knowing the franchise, this is what they do.

See, herein lies the truth. You want us to believe it's true because you want another opportunity to say this. Because you always say this. And no, there is no conspiracy there. All you have to do is go back and look at all of idunkonyou's posts to see it.

If it doesn't happen, you can maintain that it was true and that the Magic were just too cheap. No, it's impossible that there might have been no truth at all to the story and that everyone else in the world just failed to find out about it.

That's great that supposedly that guy broke all those stories, but I'm thinking if that guy's sources are so impeccable that he would be breaking all those stories that he would be getting paid big bucks writing for ESPN so that more people would see it.

[Shishnizzle]

I love the Magic, and you can say alot of negative things about the Magic, but one thing they have never been is cheap. We are not one of the biggest market teams, but we have all way's spent big money on players. The Shaq thing, well there was no limit to how much a team could offer a player back then and we Devos was'nt getting into a biding war with the Lakers. I don't care what anyone say's Shaq all way's wanted to play for the Lakers. He was leaving Orlando no matter what. That is why I have all way's had a problem with Shaq. I do not blame the Magic orginization for that move, and in fact I think the NBA and the media wanted Shaq out of here as well. The Magic should have traded Shaq but Shaq was telling them he wanted to be here, because he knew the Lakers would hev to trade away all of thier talent to get him and he did'nt want to gut there team and hamper thier chances of winning. We got screwed so bad on that one and we usually get treated like a bunch of dumb asses for letting it happen. I think it's exactly what the league wanted too. I think they owe us big time, and I think they would move Howard if they did'nt feel so bad about screwing us the lats time. The Magic situations have created have created alot of rules changes in the NBA. They made the rule that a team can pay there own player more than another team because of it, and they changed the lottery because of us too. Kind of off topic, but the Magic have all way's spent the money except for that one time with Shaq and we could'nt have won a biiding war with the Lakers whom Shaq really wanted to be with any way's.

[Hotshot Hower]

I love the Magic, and you can say alot of negative things about the Magic, but one thing they have never been is cheap. We are not one of the biggest market teams, but we have all way's spent big money on players. The Shaq thing, well there was no limit to how much a team could offer a player back then and we Devos was'nt getting into a biding war with the Lakers. I don't care what anyone say's Shaq all way's wanted to play for the Lakers. He was leaving Orlando no matter what. That is why I have all way's had a problem with Shaq. I do not blame the Magic orginization for that move, and in fact I think the NBA and the media wanted Shaq out of here as well. The Magic should have traded Shaq but Shaq was telling them he wanted to be here, because he knew the Lakers would hev to trade away all of thier talent to get him and he did'nt want to gut there team and hamper thier chances of winning. We got screwed so bad on that one and we usually get treated like a bunch of dumb asses for letting it happen. I think it's exactly what the league wanted too. I think they owe us big time, and I think they would move Howard if they did'nt feel so bad about screwing us the lats time. The Magic situations have created have created alot of rules changes in the NBA. They made the rule that a team can pay there own player more than another team because of it, and they changed the lottery because of us too. Kind of off topic, but the Magic have all way's spent the money except for that one time with Shaq and we could'nt have won a biiding war with the Lakers whom Shaq really wanted to be with any way's.

Well said.

With Hill, Francis, Cato, Howard/Mobley/Turk (MLE) there was a ton of money there (ONLY 3 years ago) we we're like 5th in the league in salaries. We spend, and there was re-affirmation this year that money will not be an issue if something of great value is ther to present itself. (ie. sac trade w/ Miller)

[DontPushMe]

Ownership isnt cheap, small market team and they are still willing to spend some money and go over the cap. The problem however is in our god aweful gm and ownerships dedication to him. Otis Smith is easily the 2nd worst gm in the nba. Im not going to be down when this trade doesnt happen, because its expected. At this point the only thing that would suprise me is if a move were made outside of a deal for a kurt thomas on his last leg.

Its clear that Otis Smith has no ability to evaluate talent. His drafting is terrible, his personel decisions are terrible, scounting is terrible, trades are terrible. What has he done to be still collecting a check?

I think everyone on this forum knows that a JJ Redick/Keith Bogans and expiring contract for Kurt Thomas is the classic otis smith move. Move young talent and other useful assets for an overrated player who is either on his last leg or has for one reason or another reached his potential as a mediocre to subpar player. Bill it as a move to help the team; kill team momentum, not improve overall talent.

The only good that will come of another botched trade deadline is the possibility that ownership gets their head out of the sand and makes a change at gm.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

The only thing that could be holding this up is Garcia, its very difficult for a rebuilding team to give up young cheap talent such as Garcia.

[MagicFan32]

The only thing that could be holding this up is Garcia, its very difficult for a rebuilding team to give up young cheap talent such as Garcia.

No the only thing holding it up is that it's not legit! I can understand Sac wanted to get rid of Miller but it'd be hard to give up any young talent in their position.

Seriously, anything that sounds too good to be true for us, usually is...but not the Lakers or Suns..

[Bigmagicfan82]

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Does that mean we're going to have to wait for a few years for it to happen? Well, by 3 p.m. Thursday, I guess we'll know for sure.

I just don't know why you would believe Internet rumors when players reportedly involved played in both games and executives from both teams say it's not true. Even ESPN hasn't picked up on this. They were all over that Jason Kidd deal. To me, that means all signs point to it not happening.

Marc Cuban said the same thing a few days ago about trading Devon Harris. That he would not trade for kidd because it would cost him Harris. Then he traded him a few days later. So can't believe what you hear.

[theTHIEF]

one thing to "point out", remember Ric Bucher did say that the Magic were in serious talks with at least 3 times, and that was kast week sometime...so are we to assume Miami, Seattle and Sacto are the 3 teams? hmmm

[MrOrlando]

It's always hard to speculate what teams are doing, all we have are inside sources close to the situation.

A GM will never say they are actively shopping players while they're still on their roster, why? A sign of respect maybe? It's like going to work, and you see the boss sizing up your desk for a new employee he's thinking about bringing in. That will make you feel like crap and give you a "I don't give a damn anymore" attitude, I imagine it's a much higher level in the NBA, where millions of dollars and playing time is involved.

I just hope Orlando would go through with this deal, it's not like Orlando would be taking on a bad contract and bad player (ala Darius Miles) Miller will actually contribute to the team, even with his big contract. Plus it would rocket us up to contender status in the East, even more than we possibly are right now.

[mhectorgato]

Congrats on getting the biggest laugh out of me via the web in a while.

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[theTHIEF]

that's all obvious though...most people know that this is how it works...i'm surely hoping there arent any guys who actually thing a GM will just come out and say "yea i have been talking hardcore with the Kings, I'm really shopping Bogans and they are trying to give me Garcia".....

also the only downfall to me outside of his contract is that Miller does get injured a lot...he has never played a full season (i dont think) and it seems like he's out for 20 games or so when he does go down...

[FFBlitzace]

An hour left until the "deadline."


There's always hope, right?

Gandalf: "Only a fool's hope."

[LBPTarHeel27]

Thought the deadline was tomorrow?

[AdamTheGreek]

All quiet on the western front.

[ProfX]

Thought the deadline was tomorrow?

Its is but the word is that the Kings gave us a deadline on the Miller/Garcia deal

[theTHIEF]

Thought the deadline was tomorrow?

i believe he is referring to the 8am PST deadline that was supposedly placed on this Kings deal...

[magicfan4life05]

any news?

[theTHIEF]

if there was, this place would be imploding...