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Post#161 » by big123 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:07 am

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Or we could re-sign him this offseason because he has only said that he loves Sac. He's never said he's UNHAPPY here, he's always just been reacting to the trade speculation and stuff. But the guy has been a good mentor for our younger players, he's our best or 2nd best player, and he's probably better than any FA we could get anyway. So I wouldn't be upset if we resigned him and I don't think it should necesarily be ruled out.


Yeah no doubt about it.
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Post#162 » by Ballings7 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:09 am

Kleiza's a very decent young talent, and that's the general idea - but if he's going to stick, one of Salmons/Garcia/Douby are gone, eventually. As Kleiza coming in continues somewhat of a log-jam. He also would likely see time at PF.
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Post#163 » by big123 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:10 am

Ballings7 wrote:Shelden freakin' Williams does make it okay. Him being a bust lacks credibility. There's more there for him to be something in the NBA than not.

Getting taken #5 in a weak draft was not his fault. Neither was having an erratic, ultimately limited oppurtunity in Atlanta.


Why not have something else to play with as well? To say we don't care about a draft pick because were all set with Sheldon is ridiculous. I'm not saying Sheldon can;t be a decent player, he can. But at the same time, I really don't see much more than that.
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Post#164 » by KF10 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:11 am

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I think it's more that he would prefer to not get raped in a deal.


Agreed. The Nuggets were offering Najera/1st for Artest... We declined...That is just a crappy offer from the Nuggets... IMO Kleiza is a must for a basis trade regarding to obtain a player like Artest...
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Post#165 » by big123 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:13 am

Ballings7 wrote:Kleiza's a very decent young talent, and that's the general idea - but if he's going to stick, one of Salmons/Garcia/Douby are gone, eventually. As Kleiza coming in continues somewhat of a log-jam. He also would likely see time at PF.


LK is great trading bait as well. I've heard a lot of teams are high on him and would like to have him. That's another reason why the Nuggs are reluctant to pull a desperate move right now.
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Post#166 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:15 am

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GL with that, seriously. You could use a draft pick in alot of ways, not just draft at that position.

Really?

Last I count we have pretty much a full roster of young or young-ish players at every position plust a lotto pick this year and two 2nd rounders.

PG: Beno
SG: Martin/Douby
SF: Garcia
PF: Shelden
C: Hawes

Now what position are we sorely lacking in?
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Post#167 » by big123 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:18 am

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Really?

Last I count we have pretty much a full roster of young or young-ish players at every position plust a lotto pick this year and two 2nd rounders.

PG: Beno
SG: Martin/Douby
SF: Garcia
PF: Shelden
C: Hawes

Now what position are we sorely lacking in?


Come on, you can do better than Sheldon :rofl: He would be a nice bench player, but nothing more.
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Post#168 » by pillwenney » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:21 am

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Come on, you can do better than Sheldon :rofl: He would be a nice bench player, but nothing more.


You may be right, but it's too early to say that for sure. The important part of this argument though is that we have more than enough players that are as good as your average #20 pick. We're not going to get our franchise player there, we'll just get another benchish player/decent starter, and we can live without that.
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Post#169 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:23 am

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Why not have something else to play with as well? To say we don't care about a draft pick because were all set with Sheldon is ridiculous. I'm not saying Sheldon can;t be a decent player, he can. But at the same time, I really don't see much more than that.


I didn't say we don't care about that draft pick. Heck, it would be nice, but like I said the need for it has lessened in the last couple of days. The Kings have more than enough young talent to develop including the ones they pick up in the draft this year. Martin, Beno, Garcia, Hawes, Douby, Shelden, Lotto pick, 2nd rounder, and 2nd rounder.

In his mpg on average Shelden looks like a 10 ppg, 10 rpg, 1-2 bpg kind of player in starters minutes. Not to mention a perfect complimentary piece to a guy like Spencer Hawes who appears to have plenty of weapons in his arsenal that can be developed further.

This 19 year old has some nice insane moves for a 19 year old kid in the post, can pass and sees the floor just like a Brad Miller/Vlade type, has 3 point range!, so putting a bruiser like Shelden next to him makes perfect sense.
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Post#170 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:25 am

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Come on, you can do better than Sheldon :rofl: He would be a nice bench player, but nothing more.


And we may be able to do just that with OUR OWN PICK THIS YEAR.
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Post#171 » by -SDU- » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:31 am

dont just shelden by what he did with the hawks

they were the ones using diaw at PG
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Post#172 » by -SDU- » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:36 am

rumours on the suns now saying we are close to acquiring quentin ross as our "defensive wing" that we were rumoured to be after

i wanted artest, but would be happy with ross

still - i trust the inside sources on the forum that said we were talking to the kings. whether it happens remains to be seen tho
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Post#173 » by Ballings7 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:15 pm

Looks like Artest may well just stay a King.

And Q-Ross would be a good pick-up for Phoenix. Not the most rangy shooter (don't think he's added a 3PT shot anyway), but is a nice hustler and defender that can hit the mid-range shot. Much more realistic than Ron.
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Post#174 » by rpa » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:20 pm

Ballings7 wrote:Looks like Artest may well just stay a King.


Not surprising. After Artest's agent came out and all but said he'd be looking for big money AND the Kings moving Bibby for room under the tax threshold next year it was pretty obvious the Kings would just keep Artest and wait for a possible S&T
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Post#175 » by Ballings7 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:48 pm

Report by Bucher just now: Denver potential deal with Seattle for Damien Wilkins and/or Delonte West (but West is being discussed in other deals), for Eduardo Najera.
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Post#176 » by sackings916 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:01 pm

Amick just posted in his blog

No call from Denver. Might still be a small deal for a Tyronn Lue type or maybe one of the other new guys from Atlanta. Ron Artest will be on this team tomorrow.


I think this is best for now. If Artest continues to play at the level he has been playing at we can either get more value for him in a SnT this summer or resign him to stay on the team which for his production will be good value for the Kings either way.
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Post#177 » by ICMTM » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:02 pm

Artest will still be a King!
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Post#178 » by Ballings7 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:33 pm

Ron's going to stay a King - good! As expected.

(barring anything last minute, which I don't think goes on)

I never wanted to do any of the deals out there. I would of been OK with any of them (Denver, Houston), but not thrilled.
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Post#179 » by deNIEd » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:42 pm

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I didn't say we don't care about that draft pick. Heck, it would be nice, but like I said the need for it has lessened in the last couple of days. The Kings have more than enough young talent to develop including the ones they pick up in the draft this year. Martin, Beno, Garcia, Hawes, Douby, Shelden, Lotto pick, 2nd rounder, and 2nd rounder.
In his mpg on average Shelden looks like a 10 ppg, 10 rpg, 1-2 bpg kind of player in starters minutes. Not to mention a perfect complimentary piece to a guy like Spencer Hawes who appears to have plenty of weapons in his arsenal that can be developed further.

This 19 year old has some nice insane moves for a 19 year old kid in the post, can pass and sees the floor just like a Brad Miller/Vlade type, has 3 point range!, so putting a bruiser like Shelden next to him makes perfect sense.


How the HELL will that compete with Roy/Adlridge/Oden/Webster/Outlaw/Frye/Jack/Rod
or
Smith/Marvin/Horford/Childress/JJ
or
Paul/West/Chandler/Wright
or
Boozer/Williams/Brewer/Millsap
or
Okafor/Felton/Wallace/Morrison/Carrol
or
Foye/McCants/Jefferson/Brewer/(08 top 3 pick)
or
Durant/Green/(08 top 3 pick)
or even possibly
Wright/Ellis/Biedrins

Yes, we have a good core to begin with...but we are no where near what we need to be, unless we want to become a future Denver/Houston type of a team...good enough for playoffs every year..but that's it.
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Post#180 » by AnDrOiDKing4 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:44 pm

[quote="deNIEd"][/quote] we have beaten alot of those teams... actually all of them ?

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