Green to Houston

[wadero]

We in houston would like to wish Snyder good luck in Minnesota and we are very excited about bring Gerald Green home. I think as a Houston fan this works out great for both teams. However I think Gerald is going to make some of you guys pretty upset. He is back home and on a playoff contending team. So he will be working hard to prove he belongs in this league!! If he doesnt he will not be brought back it is just that simple!!!

[Klomp]

Just saw on NBA.com that the pick is a 2010 2nd. We also get cash considerations.

[theGreatRC]

2010 second..wtf.

[big3_8_19_21]

2010 is fine. We didn't need 3 2nd round picks this year.

[eloper]

I never said he can't shoot, I said he doesn't currently have any semblance of a shot selection. Also it doesn't make sense to compare 2 and half years for Green to half a rookie season for Brewer. It's also not fair to compare NBA stats to college stats. No perfect way to do it. Obviously Green has a better jump shot, I never said he didn't, but his shot selection detracts from it so much. In the end all that matter is the %. That is the stat that objectively combines shot selection and ability to shoot a jump shot.

Yes, and for the first two years of his career Gerald's shot selection was good enough to result in a TS% (what really matters in shooting efficiency, not FG%) of over .52%. But when you use the FG% he had this year as an indicator of his shot selection that is flat out falty, because his shot selection was nearly identical last year and he was able to score efficiently. Over his career Green still has a .51 TS%, and that's in only slightly over double the minutes Corey has played (posting a .40 TS%, which is absolutely horrendous).

Corey does a lot of things better than Gerald, shooting/scoring isn't one of them, and probably never will be.

[TheProdigy]

Shooting is only one aspect of basketball. I'll take the guy that does everything else and makes his teammates better. When GG is on the floor everything falls apart.

[the_bruce]

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Corey does a lot of things better than Gerald, shooting/scoring isn't one of them, and probably never will be.

I drink the GG kool-aid and think the kid could be a very good player. I think Brewer will be the better player by quite a margin. His upside is similar to GG and does those "other things" like they are 2nd nature. Improving his shot shouldn't be that hard when you consider GG has to learn the entire game of basketball outside of shooting well and jumping high.

[Basti]

wuhoo! finally!!!

I wish GG the best now because I felt really bad for him recently. I hope he's turning things around in houston now

[big3_8_19_21]

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Yes, and for the first two years of his career Gerald's shot selection was good enough to result in a TS% (what really matters in shooting efficiency, not FG%) of over .52%. But when you use the FG% he had this year as an indicator of his shot selection that is flat out falty, because his shot selection was nearly identical last year and he was able to score efficiently. Over his career Green still has a .51 TS%, and that's in only slightly over double the minutes Corey has played (posting a .40 TS%, which is absolutely horrendous).

Corey does a lot of things better than Gerald, shooting/scoring isn't one of them, and probably never will be.

I have explicitly stated my agreement with that statement in this thread, I'm just illustrating that Green really needs to work on his shot selection.

[shrink]

Anyone remember Snyder scoring 28 points against us two years ago?

[theGreatRC]

If he can't play D, then don't play him.

[deeney0]

2010 2nd is better than this year. This year Houston is a playoff team. In 2 years, their run might be over.

[theGreatRC]

I was hoping it was this years, so Mchale could have made another quick deal after this to send three 2nds for a late first.

[deeney0]

A pick in the 50's probably won't change whether McHale can turn two picks in the early 30's into a pick in the 20's.

[Basti]

A pick in the 50's probably won't change whether McHale can turn two picks in the early 30's into a pick in the 20's.

yeah very unlikely to happen

[shrink]

We might want to keep those 2nds ourselves. (yeah, you're hearing this from the trade guy)

They work great for plucking the best players in the second round, and stashing them over in Europe. We're going to have a pretty full roster over the next two years, especially if we bring back our RFA's, and we probably have three guaranteed contracts next season coming in with the MIN, MIA, and BOS pick. Trading for a first for this year might make things a little dicey, and force us into moves we really don't want to do based solely on contract and roster space.

[shrink]

Also, remember mid-second round picks are huge longshots to ever do anything in the NBA, and are often just used as the grease to make a trade work -- just like in this case. As another example, we owe a 2nd rounder because of adding Dupree a few years back.

They generally are just the grease to get deals done, but here's an example of how unlikely they are to produce a legitimate player. I listed the last 20 years worth of the 46th pick, which would today be mid second round. Thanks DraftExpress!

1988 2.21 Mavericks Morlon Wiley 6'4 185 Long Beach State 1966-09-24
1989 2.19 Suns Ricky Blanton 6'7 215 LSU 1966-04-21
1990 2.19 Pacers Kenny Williams 6'9 205 Elizabeth City State(DNP) 1969-06-09
1991 2.19 Suns Richard Dumas 6'7 200 Oklahoma State 1969-05-19
1992 2.19 Nuggets Robert Werdann 6'11 250 St. John's 1970-09-12
1993 2.19 Rockets Richard Petruska 6'10 260 UCLA 1969-01-25
1994 2.19 Bucks Voshon Lenard 6'4 205 Minnesota 1973-05-14
1995 2.17 Heat George Banks
1996 2.17 Trailblazers Marcus Brown 6'3 185 Murray State 1974-04-03
1997 2.18 Magic Eric Washington 6'4 190 Alabama 1974-03-23
1998 2.17 Timberwolves Andrae Patterson 6'9 238 Indiana 1975-11-12
1999 2.17 Knicks J.R. Koch
2000 2.17 Raptors DeeAndre Hulett
2001 2.18 Nuggets Ousmane Cisse
2002 2.18 Jazz Jamal Sampson 6'11 235 California 1983-05-15
2003 2.17 Nuggets Sani Becirovic
2004 2.17 Trailblazers Ha Seung Jin
2005 2.16 Pacers Erazem Lorbek
2006 2.16 Jazz Dee Brown 6'0 185 Illinois 1984-08-17
2007 2.16 Warriors Stephane Lasme 6'7 213 Massachusetts 1982-12-17

[theGreatRC]

Wow at those picks.

[Cyborg21]

so will we cut Snyder or what?

[slinky]

the cash considerations could be to buy snyder or doleac out