Lakers - Rockets WCF's?

[Nate505]

roflmao, how can you see this is Fisher's fault in any way whatsoever?
HE IS GETTING PAID LESS ON THE LAKERS.

I'm trying to remember when I said it was his fault. I seem to remember saying that I supported the decision. I was questioning the idea that he HAD to leave town. He didn't. It was obviously a better choice for him family wise. More power to him. That's fine with me. But he certainly did not have to leave.

Geez...the only Utah fan i normally see post is loserx...the rest of you, from what I've been reading and hearing...are quite a classless bunch.

God knows I'm going to lose sleep over such a valued opinion like yours.

[Hard2dhole]

I fail to see Houston making any headway with thier latest trade. 50-50 if they make the playoffs.

[PurpleTestament]

Yeah, the moves that were made were supposedly to help us make a deal in the offseason and next year. The owner wanted to save about 2 million in luxury tax so what can you do. We'll be another competitive first round exit if we're fortunate.

[RoxFan08]

So yeah, how did a Houston-LA thread turn into a Jazz-LA argument about Derek Fisher?

Yes, it was classless of Utah fans. Its what we all know and expect from them in their arena. I wish Houston fans were as fired up as they are at home. I just can't possibly respect their antics.

Booing Derek Fisher is like kicking Lazarus. Its mean, its stupid, and it just demonstrates what total @$$es people can be.

And yes, Houston is the best team in the NBA (record wise) in 2008 at 19-4.

I think we have a realistic shot at a title. There will be plenty of token "Tmac and Yao haven't made it out of the first round comments". Big deal. Its just fuel for the fire. For anyone who hasn't been paying attention, Houston has been ballin' lately.

[Tabasco]

And yes, Houston is the best team in the NBA (record wise) in 2008 at 19-4.

I'll tell you for the second time, no they're not. They weren't before today's win and they're still not after. Try to know what you're talking about before you say things.

[Illuminati]

Tabasco, WHO IS! The Lakers :$

[Yaozers]

Tabasco, WHO IS! The Lakers :$

I think the Jazz has a better winning % at 18 - 3 (18/21 = 85.7%) vs 19 - 4 (19/23 = 82.6%)

[LLcoleJ]

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I'm trying to remember when I said it was his fault. I seem to remember saying that I supported the decision. I was questioning the idea that he HAD to leave town. He didn't. It was obviously a better choice for him family wise. More power to him. That's fine with me. But he certainly did not have to leave.

And how are you the authority on what he could or should have done?

Are you a dad with a daughter with Cancer? I am a father of 3 and if I had to quit my job so my child could get the best treatment money could buy it wouldnt even have been a thought.

The fact is there is better cancer facilities in other cities and Tatum is far from being " over it".

Props to the Jazz mangement for also understanding this concept and knowing that he had to leave.

He could have got out of his contract and not made even close to what he was owed.. and he still would have done that.

Fisher and his family had to put themselves in a position that was best for their family.. and basketball is secondary.

[Nate505]

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And how are you the authority on what he could or should have done?

Never claimed that either. All I have claimed is that if had stayed in Utah and played out his contract that his daughter would still be getting the same care. Boozer is doing the very same with his daughter. And yes, I'm claiming that he didn't have to leave. He chose to leave. The Jazz chose to let him out of his contract. Life apparenlty is good for both parties in the situation.

[KobeFarmarEra]

I think we have a realistic shot at a title. There will be plenty of token "Tmac and Yao haven't made it out of the first round comments". Big deal. Its just fuel for the fire. For anyone who hasn't been paying attention, Houston has been ballin' lately.

Except, T-Mac doesn't get 'fired up'; instead he gets over confident and chokes.

[LLcoleJ]

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Never claimed that either. All I have claimed is that if had stayed in Utah and played out his contract that his daughter would still be getting the same care. Boozer is doing the very same with his daughter. And yes, I'm claiming that he didn't have to leave. He chose to leave. The Jazz chose to let him out of his contract. Life apparenlty is good for both parties in the situation.

Well, the difference is and I can speak on this a father. Is he wanted to be with his family, with his daughter and there is no money or basketball that could even compare.

He is a guy that has had great success but not great finacial success as it pertains to other players. He is 33 and his number 1 priority is his family. He risked guaranteed money to be with his family. He could have forced a trade he could have been miserable.. but he was honest in his intentions.

Your boozer reference is a little different. Boozer is a young guy with a huge contract and he wasnt going to walk away from that contract. The point is, Fisher did because it didnt matter to him.

Not to mention Fisher's career earnings of a 12 year old Vet who has won 3 rings is less than what Boozer has made to date. That is an example of how unimportant money is to Fisher and this was 100% family driven.

I am not schooled on Boozers childs problem and I wish them all the best. But I can tell you this.. If one of my kids had cancer in the eye.. I would do what ever I could and I would be there for them no matter what.

So ..yes, Fisher had to leave. I am sorry if you dont see why.

[Nate505]

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Well, the difference is and I can speak on this a father. Is he wanted to be with his family, with his daughter and there is no money or basketball that could even compare.

He is a guy that has had great success but not great finacial success as it pertains to other players. He is 33 and his number 1 priority is his family. He risked guaranteed money to be with his family. He could have forced a trade he could have been miserable.. but he was honest in his intentions.

Your boozer reference is a little different. Boozer is a young guy with a huge contract and he wasnt going to walk away from that contract. The point is, Fisher did because it didnt matter to him.

Not to mention Fisher's career earnings of a 12 year old Vet who has won 3 rings is less than what Boozer has made to date. That is an example of how unimportant money is to Fisher and this was 100% family driven.

I am not schooled on Boozers childs problem and I wish them all the best. But I can tell you this.. If one of my kids had cancer in the eye.. I would do what ever I could and I would be there for them no matter what.

So ..yes, Fisher had to leave. I am sorry if you dont see why.

I don't see why because it isn't true. Say for whatever reason Fish needed the money for his daughters treament by playing out this contract or the Lakers contract he signed. Be it bad savings or whatever. Now say the Jazz wouldn't let him out of his contract. What would have have done? Retire and not have enough money to pay for his treatment? Or play and produce the capital needed to get the treatment? I'd wager the latter.

But Fish is at the point of his career when he could have chose to retire. But apparently he didn't really want to retire. Can't say I blame him as he has some productive years left in the tank. So he sees if he can opt out of his contract. The Jazz agree but not just for humanitarian reasons. They free up cap space relasing his contract. And Fish rather play ball and spend more time with his daughter. But it's not like he's with his daughter 24/7. The last time I looked you play about 20-25% of the year on the road in this league. For him that sacrficie is acceptable as opposed to being away from his family (provided they would have moved to LA) 40-45% of the year. Once again, can't say I blame him there either.

So no I don't buy that he had to move from Utah. I do buy that it was the better decision for him and that it was a win-win situation for both him and the franchise.

The thing is though everyone here is reading this like I am angry Fish is gone and that I think he weasled out of Utah or whatever. I don't. I have no problem for him opting out of his contract. I have no problem with him signing with the Lakers. I wish all the best for the guy.

[LLcoleJ]

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I don't see why because it isn't true. Say for whatever reason Fish needed the money for his daughters treament by playing out this contract or the Lakers contract he signed. Be it bad savings or whatever. Now say the Jazz wouldn't let him out of his contract. What would have have done? Retire and not have enough money to pay for his treatment? Or play and produce the capital needed to get the treatment? I'd wager the latter.

Clearly he made enough money ( 33 million over his carrer + insurance) But the point is he does not care about the money. He cares about his family. I am sure they " crunched the numbers " he left money on the table because of what we felt was best for his family..and not one person on this earth could argue that.

But Fish is at the point of his career when he could have chose to retire. But apparently he didn't really want to retire. Can't say I blame him as he has some productive years left in the tank. So he sees if he can opt out of his contract. The Jazz agree but not just for humanitarian reasons. They free up cap space relasing his contract. And Fish rather play ball and spend more time with his daughter. But it's not like he's with his daughter 24/7. The last time I looked you play about 20-25% of the year on the road in this league. For him that sacrficie is acceptable as opposed to being away from his family (provided they would have moved to LA) 40-45% of the year. Once again, can't say I blame him there either.

being an NBA player is a tricky thing. However, lets break this down.

He lives in LA and gets care at UCLA med center.. one of the best in the country. When he is home, he wants to go home and that is more important to him. Sure they travel alot.. but he chooses to be with his family at any point he can.

Imagine a Dad whose Daughter has cancer and you travel alot.. going" home" would be so much more comforting than going to home where is family is LA or NY or other cities with th top care.. and he is in UTA lone for even extended mintues.. it takes a lot out of a father.

He gave up money that he could never get back and he doesnt care, because he wants to be with his family as much as possible.

So no I don't buy that he had to move from Utah. I do buy that it was the better decision for him and that it was a win-win situation for both him and the franchise.

Well thats you, I 'buy" that you dont have a daughter for one and with cancer to the eye.. to evey put your self in his shoes.

[The Laker Kid]

After Derek made that comeback and helped you beat GS you guys still had the temerity to boo him?? That's just BEYOND cheap shot.

[Nate505]

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Clearly he made enough money ( 33 million over his carrer + insurance) But the point is he does not care about the money. He cares about his family. I am sure they " crunched the numbers " he left money on the table because of what we felt was best for his family..and not one person on this earth could argue that.

I never claimed he cared about the money. I did claim that if he needed the money to pay for the treatement he would have played out his contract. I think most people would work almost anywhere on the planet to produce money for treatment if it was required to treat their child who had cancer.

He lives in LA and gets care at UCAL med center.. one of the best in the country. When he is home, he wants to go home and that is more important to him. Sure they travel alot.. but he chooses to be with his family at any point he can.

I'm sure he does. That doesn't take away from the fact that he's on the road a ton.

Imagine a Dad whose life has cancer and you travel alot.. going" home" would be so much more comforting than going to home where is family is LA or NY or other cities with th top care.. and he is in UTA lone for even extended mintues.. it takes a lot out of a father.

He gave up money that he could never get back and he doesnt care, because he wants to be with his family as much as possible.

I agree with all of that. However, he also signed a million(s) dollar contract to play in the leauge (and yes I know it wasn't less than the guarenteed money he had on his contarct with the Jaz) as well, knowing that playing in the NBA requires significat travel time. In theory he could have just retired and been with his family 24/7. In actuality he also still wants to play ball. Once again, fine with me.

Well thats you, I 'buy" that you dont have a daughter for one and with cancer to the eye.. to evey put your self in his shoes.

I have a son but he doesn't have cancer. But I put myself in the shoes of many people who share a myrid of life experiences they have had. We all do, be it in politics or sports or co-workers/friends/acquaintences or whatever. From what I've seen he didn't have to leave, but all the circumstances involved made leaving to the best decision for him. We make those choices all the time in life. I didn't have to leave my last job, but my current job is better for me financially and stress-wise. So I left, and never regretted it. I'm sure Fish has done the same.

[Nate505]

After Derek made that comeback and helped you beat GS you guys still had the temerity to boo him?? That's just BEYOND cheap shot.

Jazz fans (and not all but enough to defeinitely hear it) boo everyone who used to play for them. I can't think of one guy who hasn't been booed that used to play here. Some are deserved (Shandon Anderson comes to mind) and some defeintely are not (Fish, Karl Malone, Giricek). I'm sure it's a reason they are hated as a crowd. Much like the Raider or Philly crowd (in almost every sport) is hated around the country. However, it also has made Utah a very hostile place to play and most certainly gives the Jazz one of the better home court advantages in the league.

[HawaiianJazzFan]

I wouldn't have booed Fish if I was there (although he drove me crazy on the court) but I just wanted to add a few things.

1. Fisher was ANGRY when he was traded to the Jazz. He didn't like Utah and when he was first traded he was mad because he knew he was going to play behind Dwill (reported by the GS media).

2. WHEN Fisher listed the best places for his daughter to receive treatment LA WAS NOT mentioned originally.

3. After Fisher was released he signed with the Lakers pretty QUICKLY. Larry H Miller even hinted a little bit that he was suprised that A. Fisher signed that fast (and with the Lakers) after being released from his contract and B. that he didn't go to one of the places in his Original list.

4. The majority of the Jazz fans DID NOT BOO! Also, Utah is @#$!@#%$ crazy during games if you haven't noticed.

[BaYBaller]

Wow you guys boo'ed Malone? That's ridiculous!

[Nate505]

Wow you guys boo'ed Malone? That's ridiculous!

Yeah, a lot of fans were really peaved at him for going to the Lakers. I'm not sure if that one had more to do with him going to the Lakers or him just leaving. I wonder if he would have got a better reaction if he would have went to the Pistons or a team Utah didn't have history with. But there's another one I didn't care about. The Jazz were in rebuilding mode and Malone wanting to chase a ring was fine.

[jzmagik]

Jazz fans... karma will prevent them from ever experiencing a championship banner hanging from their rafters.