Doomed by GM's ineptitude?

[Magicfan94]

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No, we got lucky in one draft and crossed our fingers that he never got hurt. If we had Okafor instead of Dwight, we would basically be the Sonics from last year.

Miami won a championship 2 years ago and have Wade and Marion plus they think they can get Brand this summer, which means their fans are ok if they draft a point guard like Rose.

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The Heat are in trouble. They have 7 players guarenteed to be signed for next year and Marion has a player option.

They look to only be a couple million under the cap, and with that they will needs some type of miracle trade to get Brand.

The Heat are 9-38, they have several positions they need to fill and they, have anopther year before they're under teh cap enough to make a splash. Is that really a situation they want?

As for lucky? How the heck did we ge lucky? We went against the grain of what most people were telling us to do and took a chance on a high school kid like Dwight. The team did their scouting and decided he was the best guy to take number 1. Not only did we do that but we traded nothing for a decent PG in Jameer.

Lucky? We made moves without having to trade Turk, a player taht most teams including the Sonics this past summer, have bene asking for. Turk has without a doubt been huge for this team this year.

Lucky? Our wins have gone from 21 wins to 36 wins to 40 wins and now on pace for well over 50.

I dunno about you guys, but this team has improved progressivly and teh future is very bright.

Sorry the Magic aren't out to try and just win now, but why throw everything away to grab some 30 something star in his twighlight who has a bad contract, or a journeyman PF who will improve our team marginally, but not guarentee any more success than we are having now, who has a bad contract with 2-3 years left on it.

[MagicalMan]

The Heat are in trouble. They have 7 players guarenteed to be signed for next year and Marion has a player option.

They look to only be a couple million under the cap, and with that they will needs some type of miracle trade to get Brand.

The Heat are 9-38, they have several positions they need to fill and they, have anopther year before they're under teh cap enough to make a splash. Is that really a situation they want?

The heat need some creative financing. You know, the creative financing that Otis pulled off this past summer.

[Optimus_Steel]

and keep in mind that Kwame was the SINGLE largest expiring, so it's easier to add one guy vs. 3 to equal the same $$$ amount...

Thats basically what the Memphis GM said.

[craig01]

It is disappointing that a move to improve the roster was not completed by the deadline.

How a GM can be pleased with a roster that fails to use 6 players is beyond comprehension.

The saving grace for Smith is that; 1- Howard is near dominant, and 2- The Magic have remained healthy.

Any month long injury to Howard, Lewis, Turk, could be devastating with the current depth (or lack of) that is in place.

Still, I fear the worst of of Magic GM's, so maybe this is a blessing in disguise.

[The Letter J]

It is disappointing that a move to improve the roster was not completed by the deadline.

How a GM can be pleased with a roster that fails to use 6 players is beyond comprehension.

The saving grace for Smith is that; 1- Howard is near dominant, and 2- The Magic have remained healthy.

Any month long injury to Howard, Lewis, Turk, could be devastating with the current depth (or lack of) that is in place.

Still, I fear the worst of of Magic GM's, so maybe this is a blessing in disguise.

[locomagicfan]

Rather than start a whole new thread cuz theres already so many. John Denton is just reporting this:

http://forums.floridatoday.com/viewtopic.php?t=72563


OTIS DID THE RIGHT THING.. HAVE SOME FAITH PEOPLE... WE CANT JUDGE UNLESS WE KNOW ALL THE DETAILS.

[craig01]

Steep, steep price.

[theTHIEF]

3 first rounders? wow...Presti has got some serious balls...

[locomagicfan]

Questioned Darko... turned into a bust
Questioned Ariza... Got 2 great pieces
Questioned not trading Turk... Having a career year
Questioned Kurt Thomas... Would have cost us our future for a championship we weren't gonna win this year.

Otis knows what he's doing... i firmly believe in this

[Optimus_Steel]

We have no connections.

[magicman123]

3 first rounders? wow...Presti has got some serious balls...

they turned blue after every gm laughed at 3...still getting one was good for thomas..i think they got 6 1st rounders the next 3drafts

[MagicalMan]

Questioned Darko... turned into a bust
Questioned Ariza... Got 2 great pieces
Questioned not trading Turk... Having a career year
Questioned Kurt Thomas... Would have cost us our future for a championship we weren't gonna win this year.

Otis knows what he's doing... i firmly believe in this

Otis, is that you?

[KingRobb02]

The Heat are in trouble. They have 7 players guarenteed to be signed for next year and Marion has a player option.

They look to only be a couple million under the cap, and with that they will needs some type of miracle trade to get Brand.

The Heat are 9-38, they have several positions they need to fill and they, have anopther year before they're under teh cap enough to make a splash. Is that really a situation they want?

As for lucky? How the heck did we ge lucky? We went against the grain of what most people were telling us to do and took a chance on a high school kid like Dwight. The team did their scouting and decided he was the best guy to take number 1. Not only did we do that but we traded nothing for a decent PG in Jameer.

Lucky? We made moves without having to trade Turk, a player taht most teams including the Sonics this past summer, have bene asking for. Turk has without a doubt been huge for this team this year.

Lucky? Our wins have gone from 21 wins to 36 wins to 40 wins and now on pace for well over 50.

I dunno about you guys, but this team has improved progressivly and teh future is very bright.

Sorry the Magic aren't out to try and just win now, but why throw everything away to grab some 30 something star in his twighlight who has a bad contract, or a journeyman PF who will improve our team marginally, but not guarentee any more success than we are having now, who has a bad contract with 2-3 years left on it.

We got lucky in gettign the #1 pick. We got lucky that we got the pick the year that we did instead of being forced to choose between kwame Brown and Eddy Curry at #1. We got lucky in the fact that Dwight didn't turn into a complete bust. If we had botched that move i would have been all for us selling the team and moving to Vegas.

The Heat will be OK. the only teams capable of getting Marion this summer are the Heat, the Sixers (need to resign AI and Lou) and the Grizzlies (if he wouldn't go to Boston, why would he go to Memphis). My money is on him staying put. The Heat's only holes are at point guard and Center. If they get Derrick Rose in the draft and convince new York to swing a deal for Curry to come to town, they are trotting out Rose, Wade, Marion, Haslem, Curry as their first five, with Wright, Cook, Blount, and Quin coming off the bench. That's a team that I don't think we would match up with very well.

Looking at our team, I see 3 good players. 1 is great and the other two are nto quite all-stars. When you looka round the league, it is easy to find teams with 3 good players who aren't close to a champioship. This is why i drew the comparison to the Wizards.

You applaud the team for doing what we ahve done without losing Hedo, but is that really a good thing. If we could have moved Turk for a guy like Artest, sure that changes our offesnsive scheme, but Larry Hughes and Chris Bosh don't light us up for 40. I think that we have to look big picture. Sure Hedo looks good this year, but what could we have done if we were willign to take a chance?

Throwing out win totals is good and all, but this isn't linear algebra. Just because our win totals are trending upward does not mean that we will continue to get better. Even if it does, who cares about winning 60 games in the regular season if you can't beat a marginal team in a seven game series. Do you think Maverick fans are applauding their win totals over the past 5 years, or do they want a championship? Why should Magic fans settle for less?

[The Letter J]

Rather than start a whole new thread cuz theres already so many. John Denton is just reporting this:

http://forums.floridatoday.com/viewtopic.php?t=72563


OTIS DID THE RIGHT THING.. HAVE SOME FAITH PEOPLE... WE CANT JUDGE UNLESS WE KNOW ALL THE DETAILS.

Otis did the right thing as far as K. Thomas was concerned. He did the wrong thing by not acquiring anyone. Battie won't be back this year and we have to have someone who can play. Hopefully we can still find somebody decent enough to give us minutes at the 4 spot. I doubt it will anyone decent though.

[Magicfan94]

KingRobb,

That is still assuming a lot from a team that has 9 wins right now. The Heat are in a lot of trouble.

If you'd take their situation over ours right now then your never going to view any situation with the Magic in a favorable light.

[CraZyPraiZ]

Like I said, GM's either don't respect him, or they don't like him, so they make deals for exactly the same thing we would offer with other GM's.

[Optimus_Steel]

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We got lucky in gettign the #1 pick. We got lucky that we got the pick the year that we did instead of being forced to choose between kwame Brown and Eddy Curry at #1. We got lucky in the fact that Dwight didn't turn into a complete bust. If we had botched that move i would have been all for us selling the team and moving to Vegas.

The Heat will be OK. the only teams capable of getting Marion this summer are the Heat, the Sixers (need to resign AI and Lou) and the Grizzlies (if he wouldn't go to Boston, why would he go to Memphis). My money is on him staying put. The Heat's only holes are at point guard and Center. If they get Derrick Rose in the draft and convince new York to swing a deal for Curry to come to town, they are trotting out Rose, Wade, Marion, Haslem, Curry as their first five, with Wright, Cook, Blount, and Quin coming off the bench. That's a team that I don't think we would match up with very well.

Looking at our team, I see 3 good players. 1 is great and the other two are nto quite all-stars. When you looka round the league, it is easy to find teams with 3 good players who aren't close to a champioship. This is why i drew the comparison to the Wizards.

You applaud the team for doing what we ahve done without losing Hedo, but is that really a good thing. If we could have moved Turk for a guy like Artest, sure that changes our offesnsive scheme, but Larry Hughes and Chris Bosh don't light us up for 40. I think that we have to look big picture. Sure Hedo looks good this year, but what could we have done if we were willign to take a chance?

Throwing out win totals is good and all, but this isn't linear algebra. Just because our win totals are trending upward does not mean that we will continue to get better. Even if it does, who cares about winning 60 games in the regular season if you can't beat a marginal team in a seven game series. Do you think Maverick fans are applauding their win totals over the past 5 years, or do they want a championship? Why should Magic fans settle for less?

LOL fine then go be a Miami Heat fan if you feel that way. There is no way that a sane person would take the situation the Heat are now over the current Magic situation.

[lovehoops01]

For everyone who thinks that our team will be willign to pay the tax if it means winning, look at Phoenix. They sell draft picks every year just because they don't want to pay. Imagine how much better they could be with Rondo at backup point guard and David Lee or Milsap banging for rebounds.

Actually, I disagree with this. I think the Suns sell their picks every year because they aren't really interested in growing through the draft. If the guy isn't a slam-dunk like Amare or Marion, they don't have the patience for it and just see it as a roster spot that is being used by someone who can't help them win a title that year. They have a history of bringing in big-name veterans in whatever means they find possible for that year -- believing it will take them over the top. So far, it has kept them successful but not brought them a title. (Barkley, Kidd, Penny, Marbury and we'll see what happens with Grant and Shaq. There were plenty others before that. They just are the latest examples). Some people actually criticize them for it. I guess it depends on if you admire their gambles.

[lovehoops01]

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they turned blue after every gm laughed at 3...still getting one was good for thomas..i think they got 6 1st rounders the next 3drafts

It didn't hurt that that's because Popovich and Co. know that Brent Barry is probably going to re-sign with them after the 30 days that he is not eligible to -- and he's not healthy right now and can't play anyway. (He's just not opening his mouth the way Jerry Stackhouse did.) When he is healthy or close to it, I'd expect to see him back in San Antonio. So, essentially, they gave up Francisco Elson -- who they were barely playing anyway and isn't as productive as Kurt Thomas will be on that particular team -- and a first-round pick.

[Heatmagic84]

KingRobb,

That is still assuming a lot from a team that has 9 wins right now. The Heat are in a lot of trouble.

If you'd take their situation over ours right now then your never going to view any situation with the Magic in a favorable light.

The Heat are not in a better situation than the Magic, the problem is that the only reason for that is Dwight and Dwight alone.

Miami is no longer in a lot of trouble. They have a top draft pick and a couple of expirings in Jason and Ricky. They also don't have the big lard at 20 mil a year anymore.