Gervin wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
MJ was great and i know im biased, but i believe Kobe is a better player
and Hakeem....is....Hakeem
Kobe and Hakeem without even a second thought
Can you explain how a guy who has far less accolades and worse stats and hasn't had many great playoff games is better than one who was the greatest ever in the postseason?
Kobe has the talent to be as good as MJ, but he will fall short simply because he won't have the accolades that MJ has. Even if you were to say they were equal in talent, MJ will always have him beat because he would have him in all the important accolades and categories
MVP's - Jordan = 5; Kobe = 0 (right now)
Titles - Jordan = 6 (as the #1 Option); Kobe = 3 (as the #2 Option)
Finals MVP's - Jordan = 6; Kobe = 0 (right now)
DPOY - Jordan = 1; Kobe = 0
Scoring Titles - Jordan = 10; Kobe = 2
Career PPG - Jordan = 30.1 (Highest Ever); Kobe = 24.8
Playoffs PPG - Jordan = 33.4 (Highest Ever); Kobe = 23.3
Playoff Points - Jordan = 5987 - Most Ever Points (179 games); Kobe = 3053 (131 games)
FG% - Jordan - 50% Career; Kobe = 45% Career Thus Far
Playoff FG% - Jordan = 49% Career; Kobe = 44% Career Thus Far
PER (Offensive and Defensive Rating) - Jordan Career = 27.91 (highest ever); Kobe = 23.57
Steals - Jordan = 2.35 SPG Career (with 3 Steals Titles); Kobe = 1.5 SPG
Blocks - Jordan = 0.83 BPG Career (most blocks ever for a guard); Kobe = 0.6
There is no argument here until Kobe can close the gap in the main categories. You can possibly say that Kobe has as much talent as MJ, but no where is he near to being as good or better.
Original Baller wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
well were talking about Kobe here
difference between Hakeem and Ewing is much greater than between MJ and Kobe
at best MJ would slightly outplay Kobe while Hakeem would CRUSH Ewing...
I'm not so sure people actually read the thread title. It said starting a franchise not playing two on two or against one another. Hakeem won 2 rings and Kobe 3 rings. MJ won 6 rings.
MJ and Pippen were together and Ewing is equal to or greater than Pippen and they won 6 times.
Kobe and Shaq played together and won 3 rings and Hakeem and Shaq are considered virtually equal.
Also the difference between MJ and Kobe is greater than Hakeem and Ewing IMO.
Hakeem and Ewing are close statistically in the regular season, but Hakeem beats Ewing in the playoffs.
Hakeem#1 vs Ewing #7 - Playoffs
MJ#1 vs Kobe #10 - Playoffs
MJ and Kobe are not close statistically as shown above in the regular season and the difference is even greater in the playoffs between them.
Once again I think many are missing the premise of this thread. It is not about who would win between the two but who you would rather start a franchise with.
If you wanted to do it the other way, well MJ is better than Hakeem, not by much and Ewing and Kobe are a wash.