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Ryoga Hibiki · Post #1 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 12:09 am

What current players would be selected (not who you think should be selected!) even if their careers ended tomorrow?

Upper HOF:
Shaq
Duncan

Locks:
Kobe
Dirk
Nash
Garnett
Iverson
Ginobili (as an international)
Kidd

Bubble:
Wade
Billups
McGrady
Ginobili (just considering his NBA career)
Parker

Likely out:
Ben Wallace
Mutombo
Lebron
Carter
Webber

James_Dolan · Post #2 » by **James_Dolan** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 12:11 am

WTF? Mutombo likely out? Learn basketball.

Lazy Faizy · Post #3 » by **Lazy Faizy** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 12:14 am

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:What current players would be selected (not who you think should be selected!) even if their careers ended tomorrow?

Upper HOF:
Shaq
Duncan

Locks:
Kobe
Dirk
Nash
Garnett
Iverson
Ginobili (as an international)
Kidd

Bubble:
Wade
Billups
McGrady
Ginobili (just considering his NBA career)
Parker

Likely out:
Ben Wallace
Mutombo
Lebron
Carter
Webber

I don't get this.. why is Ginobili a lock AND in the "bubble group" at the same time? I understand you said just considering his NBA career, but whats the point of that? It isn't the NBA HoF, its the BASKETBALL HoF, so that makes no sense.. Thats the same reason I consider Yao a lock (or close to one) by the end of his BASKETBALL career...

EDIT: Btw I fixed that Mutombo thing for you..

Post #4 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 12:18 am

Largely seems right. I would put Billups as a definite 'no' right now though, and I'd put Mutombo on the bubble.

Post #5 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 12:25 am

Now this amusing, and probably frustrating for Ryoga, I see the two other people who posted along with myself all felt the need to comment on Mutombo, but whereas I see saw the OP as almost right, the other two thought it was crazy. People need to chill.

clipped · Post #6 » by **clipped** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 12:27 am

Why is LeBron likely out when he is playing some of the best ball of his young career and just came off a season where he lead his team to the finals? He is arguably the most unstoppable player in the game right now next to Kobe and is probably the icon of the league in the future.

sule · Post #7 » by **sule** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 12:30 am

lol @ Mutombo being out

Mutombo is a lock....his longevity, his production, his team success, his humanitarian work....

there's no reason not to include him

and Carter and McGrady are in the same tier, IMO, as far as HOF chances go...with his on the bubble, but likely out, unless they go deeper in the playoffs

plus you have LeBron in your likely out category o_O

i'd probably put Parkar and Billups on the likely out category too

Billups has had a very good career thus far, but i think he'd be out...i just think he hasn't had a "Great" career....he's had a very good career...enviable by many, but not great enough

as for Tony Parker....based on his NBA career...even with teh Finals MVP, i'd be hesitant to put him in...but i'd probably have to, when factoring in his international resume

and your use of Ginobili in your list is perplexing.....it seems like ur not even using one set of criteria to determine viability

ss1986v2 · Post #8 » by **ss1986v2** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 12:30 am

clipped wrote:Why is LeBron likely out when he is playing some of the best ball of his young career and just came off a season where he lead his team to the finals? He is arguably the most unstoppable player in the game right now next to Kobe and is probably the icon of the league in the future.

the future means nothing for this. the question asked was if their careers stopped TODAY, would they be in the hall.

Lazy Faizy · Post #9 » by **Lazy Faizy** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 12:32 am

Doctor MJ wrote:Now this amusing, and probably frustrating for Ryoga, I see the two other people who posted along with myself all felt the need to comment on Mutombo, but whereas I see saw the OP as almost right, the other two thought it was crazy. People need to chill.

Well I don't consider Mutombo a lock (close to one though) but he definitely doesn't belong in the "likely out" group.. thats pretty outrageous.

Post #10 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 12:41 am

clipped wrote:Why is LeBron likely out when he is playing some of the best ball of his young career and just came off a season where he lead his team to the finals? He is arguably the most unstoppable player in the game right now next to Kobe and is probably the icon of the league in the future.

My take? As of last season, he hadn't done enough to get in the Hall. By the end of this season, he very well may have done enough.

wigglestrue · Post #11 » by **wigglestrue** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 1:01 am

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:What current players would be selected (not who you think should be selected!) even if their careers ended tomorrow?

Locks:
Shaq
Duncan
Kobe
Dirk
Nash
Garnett
Iverson
Kidd
Payton (not officially retired?)
Pippen (not officially retired?)

Likely:
Mutombo
TMac
Wade
LeBron
Mourning (not officially retired?)

Bubble:
Ben Wallace
Webber
Carter
Pierce
Ray Allen
Billups
Ginobili (both world and NBA)
Grant Hill
Reggie Miller (not officially retired?)

Likely out:
Parker
Marion
Camby
Sheed
Jermaine O'Neal
Yao Ming
Dwight Howard
Baron Davis
Pau Gasol
Gilbert Arenas

Never getting in:
Robert Horry
Stephon Marbury
Zach Randolph
Antoine Walker
Ron Artest

Post #12 » by **Flash3** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 1:05 am

Never getting in:
Robert Horry

How? -- I'd think he can eventually get in....

wigglestrue · Post #13 » by **wigglestrue** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 1:11 am

Flash3 wrote:
Never getting in:
Robert Horry

How? -- I'd think he can eventually get in....

Find me a comparable player in the HOF.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... yro01.html

Hall of Fame Probability

Active 0.029 (32)
Career 0.029 (190)

The number of rings he has and the several big shots he hit = overrated when it comes to people even remotely thinking he could get in the Hall. He's never going to get in the HOF as a player. Maybe they'll have a little exhibit about him, but he won't be enshrined.

JValone · Post #14 » by **JValone** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 1:16 am

If Reggie Miller is considered a bubble HOFer the system is terribly broken. The guy was clutch as anyone in the playoffs and has all the numbers including overall team success. The only thing he never got was a ring, but Barkley never had one either and he's in easily.

lmaonade · Post #15 » by **lmaonade** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 1:21 am

i'd put mutumbo ahead of dirk

some_rand · Post #16 » by **some_rand** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 1:36 am

yao has to be a lock

Post #17 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 1:39 am

some_rand wrote:yao has to be a lock

Because of his global impact I presume? If so, quite possibly. In terms of actual on court accomplishment, he doesn't even deserve mention at this point.

the sea duck · Post #18 » by **the sea duck** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 1:41 am

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:What current players would be selected (not who you think should be selected!) even if their careers ended tomorrow?

Upper HOF:
Shaq
Duncan

Locks:
Kobe
Dirk
Nash
Garnett
Iverson
Ginobili (as an international)
Kidd

Bubble:
Wade
Billups
McGrady
Ginobili (just considering his NBA career)
Parker

Likely out:
Ben Wallace
Mutombo
Lebron
Carter
Webber

dirk and nash would be on the bubble, well not necessarily on the bubble, but not elected on their first try... most of the guys you have on the bubble would be a basketball afterthought by the time their eligibility came around, if indeed their careers did end tomorrow.

this is the hall of fame.

Dirk_diggler_41 · Post #19 » by **Dirk_diggler_41** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 1:50 am

2000-01 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)

NBA MVP
European Championship MVP
World Championship MVP

14th highest all time Career PER

Seems like a lock

Texas Longhorns · Post #20 » by **Texas Longhorns** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 1:52 am

Wade is in the bubble with T-Mac? Come on, Wade single handedly beat Dallas, he will get into the HOF for that performance.