How would you rate the Francise or socalled Francise players

[kingofNY]

True Francise players

LeBron
Melo
Duncun
Garnett
Kobe
Paul
Deron
Kidd
Nash
iverson

2nd tier Francise players

Bosh
Wade
Amare
Dirk
Parker
Ginobli
Pierce
gasol
roy
Artest
Jamison

3rd tier

Allen
Marion
both O Neals
Ford
Both Wallaces
Billups
Rip
Arenas


quasi

crawford
G Wallcace
carter
granger
durant
randolph
deng
hinrich
gordon
True Francise players

LeBron
Melo
Duncun
Garnett
Kobe
Paul
Deron
Kidd
Nash
iverson

2nd tier Francise players

Bosh
Wade
Amare
Dirk
Parker
Ginobli
Pierce
gasol
roy
Artest
Jamison

3rd tier

Allen
Marion
both O Neals
Ford
Both Wallaces
Billups
Rip
Arenas


quasi

crawford
G Wallcace
carter
granger
durant
randolph
deng
hinrich
gordon



May of forgotten some names here & there but for the most part this is it

[BirdIsDaKing]

that list is a lot longer than it should be *Hint Hint*

[legacyinthemakin89c]

Franchise players are basically players who the team builds around and advertises like crazy. There are only a hand full of them in the league. Not in any real order.

Lebron- Cle
Kobe- Lal
Duncan-Sa
Garnett- Bos
Paul- Noh
Wade-Mia
Dirk- Dal
Bosh- Tor
D. Howard- Orl
Maybe Baron Davis- Gs

Then you have teams who don't have one, but two:
Det- Billups/Hamilton
Utah- Williams/Boozer
Phx- Nash/Amare
Den-Iverson/Anthony
Hou- McGrady/Yao

Thats it really. Wash has three players, who after season, I can't really put any over the other and the rest of the teams don't really have anyone who is a true franchise player/

[TheOUTLAW]

I can't believe that anyone would view Crawford (I assume you are meaning Jamal) as even a quasi franchise player.

[kingofNY]

A : I'm A Knicks fan as bad as it is

B : you're right he's not but a lot of Knick fans like him

C : at least I did'nt mention Curry

[_venom_]

True Franchise Players:
Lebron James
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Garnett
Dwyane Wade
Steve Nash
Chris Paul
Dwight Howard

Were True Franchise Players But Not Anymore:
Jason Kidd
Shaquille O'Neal
Grant Hill

2nd Tier Franchise Players:
Carmelo Anthony
Dirk Nowitzki
Deron Williams
Carlos Boozer
Chris Bosh
Amare Stoudemire
Allen Iverson
Manu Ginobili
Paul Pierce
Chauncey Billups
Yao Ming
Tracy McGrady
Brandon Roy
Caron Butler
Elton Brand

3rd Tier Franchise Players:
Gilbert Arenas
Al Jefferson
Andrew Bynum (as of right now)
Pau Gasol
Michael Redd
Joe Johnson
Baron Davis

Very Good Players Who are not Franchise Players:
Kevin Martin
Ron Artest
David West
Antawn Jamison
Shawn Marion
Ray Allen
Rashard Lewis
Josh Smith
Corey Maggette
Chris Kaman
Rip Hamilton
Tony Parker
Josh Howard
Andre Iguodala
Gerald Wallace
Monta Ellis
Luol Deng
Vince Carter
Richard Jefferson

[Texas Longhorns]

Yao is underrated.

[Jemini80]

Pretty good list, except Nash is 2nd tier, and I cannot believe Yao is not on that list and on the first tier.

Dwight Howard is also a true franchise player, really weird that you left both those players off the list.

I'm sure you will get a lot of crap for stating the truth that Dirk isn't a franchise player, and neither is Wade.

IMO opinion franchise player is tossed around far too often, and there really are only a couple franchise players.

Yao
Kobe
Duncan
Paul
Lebron
and maybe KG and Williams.

these are the only players who by themselves could lead a team to the playoffs, everyone else needs a decent supporting cast.

you can be a great player, but franchise player gets tossed out far too often.

[Cevap]

garnett is the perfect pippen type of player

a franchise player he is not

[Teddy KGB]

Franchise players:

Duncan
Kobe
Dwight
Yao
LeBron
Garnett
Dirk
Nash

[_SRV_]

How is Dirk not a franchise player? What makes the likes of Kidd, Melo, Garnett and Iverson franchise players and Dirk 2nd tier?

[blackballerd18]

No Baron on at least a 2nd tier list? No Yao Ming? I remember when Baron was carrying the hornets to playoffs with no help except David Wesley and that's not sayin much at all.

[Mr. Savage]

haha. Dirk has to be the most hated player on this board. People just don't like him for non-basketball reasons, but still have to undervalue him as a basketball player.

Maybe he should wear cornrows, rape a woman and fire guns, so he can get respected here.

Chris Paul hasn't even been in the playoffs but people already consider him more of a franchise player than someone who won MVP, was an All NBA 1st teamer, an NBA finalist and carried his team to the silver medal at the WC 2002 and EC 2004.

I know, you americans love your athletes, but Dirk is probably more of a franchise player right now than Paul ever will be.


My list:

DIRK !!!
Duncan
Kobe
Lebron
Nash
Yao

What these guys have in common is that they either have one move or one facet of their game that is unstoppable.

Dirk's jumpshot, Duncan's post game, Kobe's fadeaway, Lebron's finishing abilty, Steve Nash's pick and roll game, Yao's fadeaway.

[crzy]

Within the next two years, Monta Ellis will be the franchise player of the Warriors, not Baron Davis.

[667Club]

Albeit a second tier one at best. Undersized scoring guard don't make successfull franchise player (And there won't be one to match Iverson Finals appearance EVER)

[Illuminati]

Dirk is a Superstar son.

[aznkillabeezZz]

No Yao or tmac on your list? wow your list is wack. And dirk isn't 2nd tier!

[Man_Up]

All this is just my opinion. I'm not saying it's fact. Just calling it how i see it.

Franchise Players (in the sense you can build around as best player and probably win a Chip almost singlehandedly)

Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Dwight Howard
Dirk Nowitzki

Even though Point Guards usually never win chips as the best player on the team.
Chris Paul
Steve Nash
*Has beens = Shaq, Kidd,

Secondary Franchise Players (Can carry teams to decent/good records aren't going to win as the best/lone star player on the team.)

Ming
McGrady
Stoudamire
Gasol
R.Wallace
Pierce
Carter
Ray Allen
Gilbert Arenas
Allen Iverson
Baron Davis
Deron Williams
Elton Brand
Dirk Nowitzki
Carmelo Anthony
Carlos Boozer
Butler (still not totally sold on him yet though.)
C.Bosh


3rd Tier Star Players (In the right system can look like stars, aren't Franchise players.)
M.Redd
C.Billups
L.Deng
R.Hamilton
J.O'neil (was 2ndtier at one point)
J.Johnson
A.Jefferson
B.Roy
M.Ginobli
T.Parker
J.Howard
R.Lewis
E.Okafor
A.Iguodala
R.Gay
Hedo (don't ask me to spell his last name.)

And then there's everybody else the list is just too long.

[TheKingOfVa360]

lol @ Arenas being on 3rd tier, I guess being injured for one year can do that to a guys stock. This guy is so underrated now.

[Flite]

First Tier - True Franchise Players:

Kobe Bryant
LeBron James

Second Tier - Superstars to build around:

Tim Duncan
Chris Paul
Kevin Garnett
Dwight Howard
Dwyane Wade

Third Tier - Cornerstone Players:

Deron Williams
Chris Bosh
Yao Ming
Dirk Nowitzki
Carmelo Anthony
Steve Nash

Fourth Tier - First Option/Second Option Players:

Amare Stoudemire
Gilbert Arenas
Baron Davis
Tracy McGrady
Paul Pierce
Allen Iverson
Elton Brand

Fifth Tier - Low Level Stars:

Chauncey Billups
Michael Redd
Carlos Boozer
Ray Allen
Manu Ginobili
Pau Gasol
Vince Carter
Jermaine O'Neal
Brandon Roy
Caron Butler
Jason Kidd
Al Jefferson