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Post#21 » by St.Nick » Sun Mar 2, 2008 9:33 am

schweig wrote:Yi's expression would obviously be the same as always, it never changes. So I don't know what you're talking about. If you have a problem with trading J-Rich straight up for that other guy take it somewhere else, but really we're in the same project boat so I don't see where any conflict could be coming from.


We are not in the same boat--Yi is getting worse while Wright is getting better. Go watch a Warriors game now that Wright is starting and give me a nice informed opinion.
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Post#22 » by schweig » Sun Mar 2, 2008 9:36 am

What kind of chest pounding? He's a good shooter and at this point not the rebounder we'd like. He had one good game in December and has played poorly enough since then to be benched for a guy where we have no clue what he'll bring from night to night, because at least it is a better chance than Yi was giving us. He still has the potential to be our best player and it's definitely not going to happen this year or probably next year if he has to run his ass ragged for the Olympics.
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Post#23 » by schweig » Sun Mar 2, 2008 9:39 am

BTW I just checked, than 28-23 in the whole month of February was really dominant. I understand that's almost all come in his last four games and I don't care.
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Post#24 » by th87 » Sun Mar 2, 2008 9:43 am

Hmm...Wright's point totals the last few games:

6
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8
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12

You're right - that is impressive.
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Post#25 » by Chapter29 » Sun Mar 2, 2008 2:14 pm

St.Nick wrote:We are not in the same boat--Yi is getting worse while Wright is getting better. Go watch a Warriors game now that Wright is starting and give me a nice informed opinion.


Seriously do you not have anything better to do?

Yi played quite well early on, so right then and there you were wrong on your inconsequential evaluation of our player. He is very talented, but also does not yet have the physical or mental toughness required both for the NBA and quite honestly to survive on this soap opera of a Bucks team.

Since his solid play in 07 he has been caught up in a inter-team control war and has hit the rookie wall. My only concern over Yi is his full time commitment to basketball. He will not be given, imo, enough time each offseason for rest, strength training and specific development. Other than that he is going to be a fine player in this league. An overworked rookie hitting the wall is not a huge concern and quite honestly given how much he's played and is going to play this offseason, its not a bad thing to rest him.

You see, Wright hasn't been worked hard and hasn't even come close to hitting any wall and I am glad you feel he's doing well. I have no opinion as I don't find the Warriors interesting enough to watch, but if Nelly is starting him, he must be earning it.

Comparing the 2 at this point in the season is worthless. Lets compare the 2 at the mid point of next year shall we? Not that I give 1 rats butt about Wright, but you obviously love to bash Yi, so I would be happy to revisit this type of discussion each year. Perhaps, just perhaps they both wind up being good players.
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Post#26 » by msiris » Sun Mar 2, 2008 2:35 pm

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We are not in the same boat--Yi is getting worse while Wright is getting better. Go watch a Warriors game now that Wright is starting and give me a nice informed opinion.
Wow. 8, 2, 12 points over the last 3 games. Nice sample size. 12 points came in a blow out. Plus GS is much better than we are. The Bucks are so screwed up. They think they have a chance to make the playoffs therefore they continue to think that CV can help them.
Therefore Yi get no playing time.
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Post#27 » by St.Nick » Sun Mar 2, 2008 5:33 pm

Go watch a game and then come back to me, peeps. Your quoting of stats without any sort of real evaluation is simply hollow.

Besides, if stats were the only indication of success then Yi would be a top-8 rookie this year.
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Post#28 » by St.Nick » Sun Mar 2, 2008 5:42 pm

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Yi played quite well early on, so right then and there you were wrong on your inconsequential evaluation of our player. He is very talented, but also does not yet have the physical or mental toughness required both for the NBA and quite honestly to survive on this soap opera of a Bucks team.

Since his solid play in 07 he has been caught up in a inter-team control war and has hit the rookie wall. My only concern over Yi is his full time commitment to basketball. He will not be given, imo, enough time each offseason for rest, strength training and specific development. Other than that he is going to be a fine player in this league. An overworked rookie hitting the wall is not a huge concern and quite honestly given how much he's played and is going to play this offseason, its not a bad thing to rest him.

You see, Wright hasn't been worked hard and hasn't even come close to hitting any wall and I am glad you feel he's doing well. I have no opinion as I don't find the Warriors interesting enough to watch, but if Nelly is starting him, he must be earning it.

Comparing the 2 at this point in the season is worthless. Lets compare the 2 at the mid point of next year shall we? Not that I give 1 rats butt about Wright, but you obviously love to bash Yi, so I would be happy to revisit this type of discussion each year. Perhaps, just perhaps they both wind up being good players.


You make good points. It would be better to compare the two players at a later time. And I, for the record, never bring up the Wright vs Yi discussion but the fact that Bucks fans always do so whenever a GS fan talks about Yi is one of the reasons I come back here for a little trash talk every so often.

I just enjoy watching Bucks fans squirm after the abuse they so graciously gave out to me early in the season after I made an honest, but negative assessment about Yi`s game. What did I say? Not tough enough, not active enough, too much of a tweener. What do you and most Bucks fans say about Yi now? Same thing. The only difference is that I dont see that wearing off while many of you guys grab onto hope that he will shake it off.

Who has been right so far and who is letting homerism get in the way of their objective judgment?
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Post#29 » by msiris » Sun Mar 2, 2008 6:02 pm

St.Nick wrote:Go watch a game and then come back to me, peeps. Your quoting of stats without any sort of real evaluation is simply hollow.

Besides, if stats were the only indication of success then Yi would be a top-8 rookie this year.
Give me a break. Wright is really tearing up the court. If you watch any Bucks game you would understand why Yi is not doing much. So take your future HOF and stop bugging us. We have it bad enough watching our crappy team. :D
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Post#30 » by msiris » Sun Mar 2, 2008 6:04 pm

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You make good points. It would be better to compare the two players at a later time. And I, for the record, never bring up the Wright vs Yi discussion but the fact that Bucks fans always do so whenever a GS fan talks about Yi is one of the reasons I come back here for a little trash talk every so often.

I just enjoy watching Bucks fans squirm after the abuse they so graciously gave out to me early in the season after I made an honest, but negative assessment about Yi`s game. What did I say? Not tough enough, not active enough, too much of a tweener. What do you and most Bucks fans say about Yi now? Same thing. The only difference is that I dont see that wearing off while many of you guys grab onto hope that he will shake it off.

Who has been right so far and who is letting homerism get in the way of their objective judgment?
Yes lets wait. I do not know if Yi will be better or Wright will be better. I do not really care. Good Luck in the playoffs. I have always liked GS for some reason.
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Post#31 » by MickeyDavis » Sun Mar 2, 2008 6:06 pm

Glad to see Warriors fans are still obsessed with Yi.
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Post#32 » by St.Nick » Sun Mar 2, 2008 6:45 pm

msiris wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Give me a break. Wright is really tearing up the court. If you watch any Bucks game you would understand why Yi is not doing much. So take your future HOF and stop bugging us. We have it bad enough watching our crappy team. :D


Im just driving home the point I made originally several months ago. Its probably trite for me to come back here and talk junk every so often, but thats just the way it goes. I expect you all to come find me if Yi turns into a stud, so its all fair play.

By the way I actually do like Bucks fans. One of my best friends out here is from Wisconsin and he shares your guys great sense of humor. So its nothing personal. :wink:
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Post#33 » by msiris » Sun Mar 2, 2008 7:09 pm

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Im just driving home the point I made originally several months ago. Its probably trite for me to come back here and talk junk every so often, but thats just the way it goes. I expect you all to come find me if Yi turns into a stud, so its all fair play.

By the way I actually do like Bucks fans. One of my best friends out here is from Wisconsin and he shares your guys great sense of humor. So its nothing personal. :wink:
Sorry, but I have never been to your board. :D
And I do know its not personal. Good luck in the playoffs.
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Post#34 » by raferfenix » Sun Mar 2, 2008 8:02 pm

One of the big reasons I want to blow up the team and get defensive minded hard nosed players is to ensure Yi's development.

Marion would be the absolute perfect compliment to Yi. Yi's lack of physicality would be offset by us having by one of the most physical SF's in the league, and Yi's shooting would be much more valued because it will help open the lane for Marion. Furthermore, Marion's all-out hustle on the court will be contagious, and I think it would be integral to getting both Yi and Bogut to become stars on both sides of the ball to have that sort of energy rather than the deflating Mo/Redd laziness being the norm.

But even if that all happens, I assume St. Nick will still come trolling around to discuss all the glory that is Brandon Wright and the affront to basketball that is Yi :rofl:
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Post#35 » by Chapter29 » Sun Mar 2, 2008 8:11 pm

St.Nick wrote:You make good points. It would be better to compare the two players at a later time. And I, for the record, never bring up the Wright vs Yi discussion but the fact that Bucks fans always do so whenever a GS fan talks about Yi is one of the reasons I come back here for a little trash talk every so often.

I just enjoy watching Bucks fans squirm after the abuse they so graciously gave out to me early in the season after I made an honest, but negative assessment about Yi`s game. What did I say? Not tough enough, not active enough, too much of a tweener. What do you and most Bucks fans say about Yi now? Same thing. The only difference is that I dont see that wearing off while many of you guys grab onto hope that he will shake it off.

Who has been right so far and who is letting homerism get in the way of their objective judgment?


I see no homerisms in my assement of Yi. Certainly hopeful, but not blinded by homerisms.

Yi is a very skilled and athletic player. I don't see him as a tweener at all. IMO he is very much a PF. Not a SF or a C at all. Not active enough? Not assertive enough perhaps, but he is actually quite active, though of late perhaps not as much. Since he was quite active for most of the year I would tend to disagree there. Assertive with the ball is another story. As far as toughness, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. He needs strength and toughness. Something he can certainly work on. Bogut needed the very same thing and at this point he is one of our toughest players.

Yi has quite a bit of growing to do to become the player many feel he will be. As far as how good he'll become, only time will tell, but I don't think its out of the question for him to become an all-star caliber player. I am cautiously optimistic with him, but I am fairly sure he will be a productive player regardless. The reality is that great players usually show greatness early on in their careers, 1st or 2nd season. With that in mind time is not on his side.
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Post#36 » by Nowak008 » Sun Mar 2, 2008 11:26 pm

Yi might be a bad basketball player right now, but he increased the value of the Bucks by about 60 mil. How much do you think your boy increased your franchise value?
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Post#37 » by REDDzone » Sun Mar 2, 2008 11:28 pm

Nowak008 wrote:Yi might be a bad basketball player right now, but he increased the value of the Bucks by about 60 mil. How much do you think your boy increased your franchise value?


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Post#38 » by LISTEN2JAZZ » Mon Mar 3, 2008 12:35 am

Nowak008 wrote:Yi might be a bad basketball player right now, but he increased the value of the Bucks by about 60 mil. How much do you think your boy increased your franchise value?
I love how this 60 million figure is a "fact" to so many people. A website said it, so it must be true.
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Post#39 » by Nowak008 » Mon Mar 3, 2008 1:50 am

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I love how this 60 million figure is a "fact" to so many people. A website said it, so it must be true.


Wasn't it Forbes?
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Post#40 » by St.Nick » Mon Mar 3, 2008 1:38 pm

Nowak008 wrote:Yi might be a bad basketball player right now, but he increased the value of the Bucks by about 60 mil. How much do you think your boy increased your franchise value?


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